It's a shame that Hollywood results in women ruining their looks whilst the men carry on regardless (Wicked)

Zak Efron has ruined his face. He blames breaking his jaw back in 2013 whenever it was, but his face was completely normal up until a couple of years ago! He looks like a different person now. Ridiculous!

Yes agree about Efron and Stallone, Jackson looked like a wax works. Just because we found and created such drugs and procedures doesn’t mean they are good things.

Madonna frankly scares me.

Hopefully one day the world will look back in horror at these plastic celebs.

The face lifts, nose jobs, fat removal and injectables are awful too. This week there were pictures in the press of Christina Aguilera - she's totally unrecognisable! And look at Sharon Osborne - she looks like a cadaver after taking Ozempic and all the face lifts and other procedures she's had over the years. The number of actresses and singers who look nothing like their original selves is horrendous. Their faces have been so altered by procedure after procedure that they barely look human any more.

There are a few men though that look bloody awful too - Mickey Rourke, Zac Efron, Sylvester Stallone, Tom Selleck, Michael Jackson, Barry Manilow ... there are loads who look dreadful.

Jesus Christ she looks like a different race

Conversely, Victoria Justice who was in Victorious with Ariana... First 2 pics were her in 2010 (aged 17,) and second 2 are her now, aged 31. Looks virtually the same, and doesn't look like she has had anything done! I wonder why? Less worldwide exposure maybe? Stepped back from fame a bit? She is gorgeous!

Ariana has had more than 'just some subtle work' done. Compared to how she looked in Victorious and Cat and Sam (aged 17 to 20-ish,) she looks like a different person. And I agree she is bone thin now. I hadn't looked properly at how she looks in 'Wicked' and thought 'oh well she has always been petite.' But right now she is so thin that she looks gaunt and fragile. And her hair is very thin too. She looks ill!

Pics 1 & 2 are Ariana from around 11-13 years ago at around 18-20 years old, and pics 3 & 4 are her now at 31. The difference is staggering. It's very sad that she felt she had to change how she looks, and look a certain way - because she was very pretty before. Now she looks really ill.

I know people change/evolve over the years (especially from teens to mid to late 20s,) but this is not a positive 'before and after!' And almost everyone I know looked/looks like the same person at 30 that they looked like at 17-18, just maybe a bit less puppy fat and a different dress sense and a slightly different hairdo.

My old primary school teacher who I hadn't seen since I was 11 (when she left the area,) saw me when I was 36, (25 years later) with my children, and recognised me instantly. Ariana is unrecognisable from her former self. I would NEVER have thought pics 1 & 2, were the same young woman as pics 3 & 4. (Just over a decade later!)

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This is pretty gross , is there any need for the “real woman” comment?

You’ve literally stated a thread being nasty about women “ruining their looks” and then at the same time chastise women for being insecure??

The point is that there isn't a six-page thread and counting about their talent, which should be the most interesting thing about both women.

The message I'm getting from this thread is that, even to women, the number one point of discussion about two women in the public eye is what they look like, not what they do.

Like... none of you are interested in Ariana Grande's vocal range or timbre, or how she's transitioned from singing to acting, or from the pop/R&B genre to the musical genre. All of that is the actual craft she's spent her life working on.

I'm not in the public eye but if I got a big new professional role, I wouldn't be impressed if the responses to my work focused on my weight.

”ruining their looks” “doing it to look younger but actually it’s ageing”
You don’t think that’s picking apart someone’s looks?

She will have seen pictures of her anyway

Given the characters are supposed to be early 20s/late teens for the majority of the film (all when they are at university) they are all too old. Which adds to the pressure to have a “youthful” appearance- which for some translates to extreme thinness.

The film was always going to be massive - so they could have got some up and coming stars of the right age to play the roles. Less pressure on the actresses than for 30 year olds to look like teenagers.

Same with Bridget Jones, get an actress who is a size 14 to play the role - not a much smaller actress who yo-yo-ed in and out of the part.

I disagree that women have to stay perfect to do well in Hollywood - just look at Dame Judi Dench, Dame Maggie Smith, Kate Winslet, Emma Thompson. But there is a massive reduction in available roles for women generally, and middle aged ones in particular.

To have a visible six pack you have to have a very low body fat %- so they do have to starve themselves to shred

There is clearly pressure on men too but building a six pack is a healthy thing to do and you can’t starve yourself to do that.

It's particularly galling when the guy who plays Fiyero looks older than his age and older than both of them.

People did show concern for joaquian phoenix, but again this was for a role. That isn't what is happening here. It's not weight loss or appearance change for a role

The industry as a whole is dog eat dog. They groom children into the characters they want them to be as adult actors. How many child stars have actually come out the other side unharmed.

Ag whole thing was is this tiny little cute girl. She’s been so tanned and sculpted people thought she was at some points black then so light and blonde, her tv characters where always the tiny ditzy stupid hehe haha poor little girl types. Sam and cat and victorious. Her poor co star in Sam and cat did put out quite a bit about it. And yes she’s always been small But again not skeletal but the industry will of made her that way.

It preys on talented yet vulnerable people.

Because its not about their talent? The topic of conversation is everything about ariane or Cynthia, its about the pressure female actresses are under to look a certain way, and essentially how that can result in ED

I was directly responding to OP’s statement “Isn't it sad that actresses still feel this need to look a certain way whilst men don't”. She was talking in absolutes and assuming how men feel. We don’t actually know how they feel and what pressures they feel to look a certain way. Unless there is some statistical data somewhere on actor population vs gen pop, I don’t think we can quite generalise the particular demands of the profession on the population at large.
My partner is not particularly concerned about his looks but my best friend who is a male actor (and is very conventionally attractive) has major hung ups and body dysmorphia. These are occupational hazards which male actors are not exempt from and it would be dangerous to assume otherwise.
The conversation here really shouldn’t be about how women look but how the industry as a whole affects the health of its workers.

Have you got a specific example as I’m not getting that from this thread at all.

7 pages of women picking apart other women’s looks while trying to come across as high and mighty.

It's Madonna that makes me sad - she's the one who I thought would lead the way and buck the trend, show us the way to age and not give a shit what anyone else thought instead of succumbing to the surgeon. If you weren't around in the 80s you can't understand what an influence she was (like or her not).

Joaquin phoenix has lost a dangerous amount of weight for joker twice but afterwards he goes back to his dad bod self.

I feel terrible for her. It’s pretty well documented that her director on her tv shows as a child was very very interested in her (google dan Schneider). My friend who was groomed as a 7 year old went through years and years of anorexia.