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To think MPs are underpaid

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Donotpanicoknowpanic · 23/11/2024 19:40

Okay hear me out on this

If you want high quality people you need to pay them

If not the best most intelligent people will pursue career's in business and we will be left with people making second rate decisions which are incredibly important for the UK

The UK needs to make the right decisions on a whole host of important topics (not just the NHS and benefits)

But policy's on AI, transitions to green energy encouraging businesses to invest in the UK etc

These are serious topics that require a vast knowledge to understand

If you want to encourage people who have that knowledge to be an MP and help make those decisions

You need to pay them the rate they would get from businesses who also want them

(I am not an MP and will never run as one so no one please say I'm trying to get a pay rise)

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Happyher · 23/11/2024 22:15

ParkAndRider · 23/11/2024 20:06

@Happyher the second home allowance is for those whose constituencies are a distance from Westminster. They're meant to live in their constituency.

I know that but they have to spend most week in London so need two homes. Unless they stay in a hotel. I’m saying there should be a maximum they can claim for that

tobee · 23/11/2024 21:39

I would say the risks of being a member of the armed forces, and even a police officer, have always been there and. Part of the job for the military you could say @namechangeGOT . It isn't really for an MP.

tobee · 23/11/2024 21:35

I agree.

But, going off on a tangent, god knows who would want to be an MP these days.

Death threats are commonplace and what happened to Jo Cox, David Amess and Andrew Pennington trying to protect MP Nigel Jones - just terrible

Thelnebriati · 23/11/2024 21:28

The pay isn't the problem, its the lack of entrance qualifications.

namechangeGOT · 23/11/2024 21:27

SensitivePetal · 23/11/2024 19:44

Pay isn’t great for what is a very full on job if done well. There are also risks - two MPs have been murdered in the quite recent past.

They're paid hell of a lot more than a police officer or a member of the armed forces, both also very full on jobs. I'd say the death rate in both those professions is far higher than what it is for MPs.

Mysterian · 23/11/2024 21:24

I think they should be paid double. They should also get travel expenses.

That's it! No expenses. No second jobs or dodgy money from companies. Pay them well and expect them to work full time for the country.

Donotpanicoknowpanic · 23/11/2024 20:56

Nat6999 · 23/11/2024 20:17

If they want an increase in pay then they should actually be in the chamber more, they very often don't sit on Mondays or Fridays & if they do they don't start until 2.30 on the Monday & are finished by 2.30 on the Friday, half the time the benches are nearly empty. Years ago they were still sitting until late in the evening.

Realistically you want a range of MPs so working parents as well

For them as much as possible you want a system where they also spend some of there time with there family

Perhaps even for some parliamentary debates that are less important online meetings could be held more that are part of the main parliamentarians debate

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Donotpanicoknowpanic · 23/11/2024 20:53

I agree with the people who said that MPs should not have second jobs, being an MP should be a full time career

Also how you become an MP to start with should be better as well to attract better people

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peepsquick · 23/11/2024 20:49

Make it a requirement to live in their constituency? Might be a start.

Indeed, I live in a very working class area and I don't think any of our MPs have ever lived in the town...

Willyoujustbequiet · 23/11/2024 20:44

peepsquick · 23/11/2024 20:33

@Willyoujustbequiet but how do you tackle the issue that they end up with people like Boris and Rishi who don't need the money, they are not there for public service, they are so far removed from most of the electorate, they push their own elite agenda.

I agree and tbh I don't know

Make it a requirement to live in their constituency? Might be a start.

Hotchocow · 23/11/2024 20:43

Hugely overpaid you mean...!

Fleurdalys · 23/11/2024 20:40

Fuck off
I'll carry on doing my job being an ex teacher supporting young adults with learning disabilities to achieve something of their days
On minimum wage as that's all they get in dla.

peepsquick · 23/11/2024 20:33

@Willyoujustbequiet but how do you tackle the issue that they end up with people like Boris and Rishi who don't need the money, they are not there for public service, they are so far removed from most of the electorate, they push their own elite agenda.

Willyoujustbequiet · 23/11/2024 20:30

God no. They're on roughly x 3 the average household income. Plus its supposed to be a vocation...public service....not what you can get.

Anyone who thinks they are underpaid needs to check their privilege. You don't want people who lack awareness about those they represent.

Ytcsghisn · 23/11/2024 20:20

OP, you have asked this question on MN. Where anyone earning more than 50p a week is rich and grabbby if they want more. This ‘make a chicken last a full month’ forum. Being smart and aspirational, judging on performance and output is not accepted around here. Everyone should be poor and grateful for it.

LittleRedRidingHoody · 23/11/2024 20:19

I think the system is just fucked overall tbh. I don't know how you'd do it fairly.

But I do think we need the brightest people leading the country. And I can't see many bright, top-of-the-class grads giving up 6 figures right out of uni, to pick a career that MIGHT pay £91k, somewhere down the line.

Nat6999 · 23/11/2024 20:17

If they want an increase in pay then they should actually be in the chamber more, they very often don't sit on Mondays or Fridays & if they do they don't start until 2.30 on the Monday & are finished by 2.30 on the Friday, half the time the benches are nearly empty. Years ago they were still sitting until late in the evening.

Travellingheavily · 23/11/2024 20:17

Sugarflub · 23/11/2024 19:58

Earned more than £91k plus very generous expenses in his first graduate job?

You can earn much more in banking (edit financial services more accurately), law, and a very few tech positions. Top graduates are waaay over £100k

Ytcsghisn · 23/11/2024 20:16

You’re absolutely right.

The calibre of people if parliament is so low that you would not pay these morons to clean out your shed. It almost like the job attracts a certain kind of cretin. Often corrupt, in it for what they can steal. Many times just thick as two short planks. And mostly lowering the bar.

Honestly, no other profession attracts such a low standard of candidate.

No self respecting business leader, entrepreneur or successful person enters the profession unless they want to steal from the public.

Until these people are paid better and required to have real life business experience, we’ll continue to get these type of people.

Phonicshaskilledmeoff · 23/11/2024 20:14

I completely agree. How do they expect to get talented people when a middle manager at a small bank gets paid more 🤦‍♀️

it’s not even a secure job. That’s why the system encourages those form wealthy families to go into politics - they don’t need the cash.

peepsquick · 23/11/2024 20:13

If it's such a shit paid job then why on earth do any of them go for it?

Do you really have to ask? Do you really think Rishi Sunak, Boris Johnson or Jacob Rees-Mogg were there for the salary?

gamerchick · 23/11/2024 20:13

If it's such a shit paid job then why on earth do any of them go for it?

eightIsNewNine · 23/11/2024 20:11

enpeatea · 23/11/2024 20:00

They are paid well over the average. There's no qualifications or experience for this role, they are not performance managed and no one seems to monitor performance or commitment (ie Nigel Farrage, only turns up for self promotion and lies about being told not to hold surgeries). They can all continue with other professions/roles and have generous allowances, subsidised meals and bars, plus the kudos of their positions. Which many seem to work to the max. They also have a very generous pension scheme and recompense if they lose their seat or additional positions.
My heart bleeds

Yes - and that's the issue. It attracts people who are motivated by maxing out the other benefits, especially in relation to their other businesses.

It doesn't motivate people who are ready to do a good work for a good money.

peepsquick · 23/11/2024 20:11

Maybe they should treat it like a military job, put them up in blocks in London for their London business for their second home, there will be a risk of Legionaires, but it'll be cheap so they should be grateful Grin

ParkAndRider · 23/11/2024 20:06

@Happyher the second home allowance is for those whose constituencies are a distance from Westminster. They're meant to live in their constituency.