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To think MPs are underpaid

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Donotpanicoknowpanic · 23/11/2024 19:40

Okay hear me out on this

If you want high quality people you need to pay them

If not the best most intelligent people will pursue career's in business and we will be left with people making second rate decisions which are incredibly important for the UK

The UK needs to make the right decisions on a whole host of important topics (not just the NHS and benefits)

But policy's on AI, transitions to green energy encouraging businesses to invest in the UK etc

These are serious topics that require a vast knowledge to understand

If you want to encourage people who have that knowledge to be an MP and help make those decisions

You need to pay them the rate they would get from businesses who also want them

(I am not an MP and will never run as one so no one please say I'm trying to get a pay rise)

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UltraHorse · 28/03/2025 18:44

If they had to sign in and out and appear in parliament sometimes and sometimes take notice of what the general public actually wants maybe they would earn 94 thousand plus the freebies and that be seen as reasonable If they give themselves such a high salary it's reasonable to expect them to do more surely

randomchap · 28/11/2024 09:40

SensitivePetal · 27/11/2024 23:10

genuinely - would you do that job?

I wouldn’t, and couldn’t, because I’m a single parent with grandparent and sick relative caring responsibilities as well as kids.

Your system is great if you want a chamber made up of 90% privileged, male representatives.

Ok. Up it to 6 it 7 times average salary. If they want more money then they'll need to improve the average UK salary. Essentially making their pay linked to how well they do their jobs

Stonefromthehenge · 28/11/2024 00:47

Always plenty of people queuing up to get elected, so no, if anything they should be paid less with it being a buyers market...or do those rules only apply to the small people?

Presumably we don't care about quality carers, shop staff, cleaners, bus drivers, childcare staff etc because we pay them very little, or perhaps their work isn't important.

Thevelvelletes · 27/11/2024 23:40

Why don't you just tell me?

SensitivePetal · 27/11/2024 23:39

Thevelvelletes · 27/11/2024 23:36

Definitely not daily mail vibes from me .
Dyed in the wool Labour voter for 40 years.

What do you think MPs net a month? In salary?

Thevelvelletes · 27/11/2024 23:39

Further up thread there was a list of what could be claimed and it was quite a nice list if you had access to it.

Thevelvelletes · 27/11/2024 23:36

Definitely not daily mail vibes from me .
Dyed in the wool Labour voter for 40 years.

SensitivePetal · 27/11/2024 23:31

Thevelvelletes · 27/11/2024 23:20

Cheers nippy person.

there is a huge amount of disinformation about what MPs (and any other public figures like civil servants etc) ‘cream off’ the state. What do you think MPs (not ministers, just regular MPs) are netting every month in take home from being an MP?

I’m just hearing my aunty Maureen and her Daily Mail vibes.

Startingagainandagain · 27/11/2024 23:27

They are not underpaid at all and they get a their expenses paid as well.

SensitivePetal · 27/11/2024 23:24

On the security issue, in the 2015 parliament one MP was murdered (Jo Cox, by a white supremacist). David Amess more recently.

could be statistical anomalies but on the other
had, there are only 650 of them in situ at any one time.

let’s not forget the non fatal
attempts over time, too.

Thevelvelletes · 27/11/2024 23:20

Cheers nippy person.

SensitivePetal · 27/11/2024 23:12

Thevelvelletes · 24/11/2024 10:37

Exactly it's a job where you barely touch your wage as everything else is expensed.

Says someone who knows nothing about how parliament works.

SensitivePetal · 27/11/2024 23:10

randomchap · 27/11/2024 14:50

Fix their income to 3 times the average salary, more for ministers. Build a hotel that they can stay in while in London so no second home allowances. No more employing family members.

No outside work whatsoever. They should either be in parliament or working for their constituency.

genuinely - would you do that job?

I wouldn’t, and couldn’t, because I’m a single parent with grandparent and sick relative caring responsibilities as well as kids.

Your system is great if you want a chamber made up of 90% privileged, male representatives.

SensitivePetal · 27/11/2024 23:05

research *support (fat fingers, sorry)

SensitivePetal · 27/11/2024 23:04

Littlemissgobby · 23/11/2024 19:45

However they don’t just get that pay they do get other things like a second home basically allowance also energy paid as well. I think there’s a lot of other things you have to consider that they do get like travelling costs so I don’t think it’s just a flat wage that you can compare it to.

The additions are for things associated with their job: secretarial and research sjlllry, stationery, utilities, rent (for constituency offices), second homes necessary for the discharge of their jobs. It’s not free money for nothing.

DemonicCaveMaggot · 27/11/2024 16:19

They not only get their salary but expenses as well, and those mount up.

If they had some sort of vision for the country and could implement it as opposed to flailing around doing anything they can to get high approval ratings and votes I might agree with you.

Anyway 30p Lee only needs about £1.20 a day to eat so I don't see increasing his salary would be necessary.

Skodasuperb · 27/11/2024 16:15

Nat6999 · 23/11/2024 20:17

If they want an increase in pay then they should actually be in the chamber more, they very often don't sit on Mondays or Fridays & if they do they don't start until 2.30 on the Monday & are finished by 2.30 on the Friday, half the time the benches are nearly empty. Years ago they were still sitting until late in the evening.

Just because they're not in the chamber doesn't mean they're not working. Sir Trevor McDonald didn't just get paid for 30 mins reading the news each night. There's a huge amount of unseen work carried out too.

randomchap · 27/11/2024 14:50

Fix their income to 3 times the average salary, more for ministers. Build a hotel that they can stay in while in London so no second home allowances. No more employing family members.

No outside work whatsoever. They should either be in parliament or working for their constituency.

Bobbingtons · 27/11/2024 14:23

In addition, all MPs should have a probationary period during which time they have to pass a security clearance check. I find it shocking that when I worked for the Bank of England everyone, no matter what their role, had to be SC cleared, but there are no checks at all on incoming MPs who have unbelievably privileged access to information.

Bobbingtons · 27/11/2024 14:14

Personally I do think MPs are underpaid and should maybe be on something like 250k.
However all MPs should be banned from having second jobs, property portfolios and cannot receive income from lobbiests. In addition second home allowances should be scrapped and instead purpose built apartments should be made available to MPs near Westminster as too many MPs exploit the second home allowance for profit.
In addition ministers should be banned from working in any industry that was in their portfolio for 5 years after they lose that post or stop being MPs as there is a direct conflict of interest there.

Quercus30 · 27/11/2024 14:03

I think if you include all their expenses, it's not too bad. And I get they could be out of a job after 5 years due to not being re elected, but no job is for life anymore. I also agree that second jobs should not be allowed. They are being paid for doing a full time job. There shouldn't be time for doing another on the side, unless it's keeping your hand in your original profession ( eg doctor). It's a full on job and there should be proper renumeration. But with that should come clearer rules about what is and what isn't acceptable. Once elected, an MP should be representing all of their constituents, not just those that voted for them. I wonder if the people of Clacton are getting good value for money.

KittyEmK · 27/11/2024 13:42

They are absolutely underpaid.

Scrambledchickens · 27/11/2024 13:08

Yes he did Sugarflub
google jane street salaries

ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 24/11/2024 10:44

I’ve thought this for a long time. Not just from the point of view of not being enough to attract he best people, but also that we get a lot of people who come from family money and don’t actually need to live off the salary, but have a vested interest in controlling politics to keep the rich rich.

Thevelvelletes · 24/11/2024 10:37

ParkAndRider · 23/11/2024 19:55

A quick google will tell you that their "most common" expenses on top of their £91,000 salary can be claimed to cover:

Vehicles
Home
Travel
Food
Childcare
Phones
Loans and overdrafts
Pensions contributions
Work clothes
Office decorations
Staff parties

Then there are loads more under less common but still seemingly allowed expenses. Imagine if you didn't have to pay for anything on the above list from your wage. The seemingly modest wage is a bit of a smokescreen.

Exactly it's a job where you barely touch your wage as everything else is expensed.