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To think landlords who own multiple properties are part of the housing crisis?

347 replies

ByArtfulOliveDuck · 23/11/2024 14:57

Is it unreasonable to say that having a portfolio of rental homes is unethical in a housing shortage?

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ForRealTurtle · 25/11/2024 15:52

Apologies

StandingSideBySide · 25/11/2024 15:51

ForRealTurtle · 25/11/2024 15:48

@StandingSideBySide I have quoted the highest council tax in the country at Band D. Band D is usually seen as an average house. I know you are not in the area for the highest council tax band as your figure does not match up to any of their figures, although the nearest is a high band indicative of a more expensive property.
You may think of your bungalow as average, but it does not appear to be the case.
I am simply saying this as council tax is expensive, I know this. But the more expensive your house, the more you pay.

I think you’ve tagged the wrong person
I haven’t told you how much my council tax is and I don’t live in a bungalow
Think you should tag justasking maybe

ForRealTurtle · 25/11/2024 15:48

@StandingSideBySide I have quoted the highest council tax in the country at Band D. Band D is usually seen as an average house. I know you are not in the area for the highest council tax band as your figure does not match up to any of their figures, although the nearest is a high band indicative of a more expensive property.
You may think of your bungalow as average, but it does not appear to be the case.
I am simply saying this as council tax is expensive, I know this. But the more expensive your house, the more you pay.

StandingSideBySide · 25/11/2024 15:42

ForRealTurtle · 25/11/2024 15:33

@justasking111 your council tax is way higher than the highest council tax of Band D, which is in Rutland at £2543. So yes it must be an expensive bungalow. Certainly above average price. What council tax band is your house in?

Of note
I don’t know what band @justasking111 is at
I was just showing the differences in regions

Weve moved a few miles over from neighbouring councils and our council tax has gone up £2k ( our house is just the next band up ) because we are now in an area having to pay for huge social housing and social care bills.

ForRealTurtle · 25/11/2024 15:33

@justasking111 your council tax is way higher than the highest council tax of Band D, which is in Rutland at £2543. So yes it must be an expensive bungalow. Certainly above average price. What council tax band is your house in?

justasking111 · 25/11/2024 15:23

ForRealTurtle · 25/11/2024 14:41

@justasking111 You must be in a high council tax band i.e. a very expensive bungalow.

No it really isn't. It's a retirement bungalow. We're all being hammered. Our social services care is 35% of the council budget. Education 30%. Then homelessness, then the police. It really doesn't leave much after council employee wages and pensions, road gritting, bin collections.

Our council were absolutely open about the budget this year. We're in an awful pickle.

NeedToChangeName · 25/11/2024 14:59

Save your hatred for second homes that are empty most of the year

StandingSideBySide · 25/11/2024 14:54

TitusMoan · 25/11/2024 14:49

What’s your point?

Titus this isn’t Ghormanghast and yet services are going backwards.

Warmhome1 · 25/11/2024 14:51

Deport all failed asylum seekers, foreign criminals and EU migrants on benefits. We would then be ok for houses.

StandingSideBySide · 25/11/2024 14:50

ForRealTurtle · 25/11/2024 14:41

@justasking111 You must be in a high council tax band i.e. a very expensive bungalow.

Wandsworth band D council tax £969
Rutland band D council tax £2,543

huge differences

TitusMoan · 25/11/2024 14:49

justasking111 · 25/11/2024 14:31

We have council carers in our cul de sac. Four times a day for the lady at no 10. Three times a day for the lady at no 7. Twice a day for the man at no 6. Once a day for the lady at no 3.

We're drowning in our retirement and unemployment area. Our council tax has gone up 40% in five years. We're paying £3400 for our bungalow this year. The council have made huge cuts to roads, public toilets, libraries, bin collection. It's never enough.

What’s your point?

StandingSideBySide · 25/11/2024 14:46

justasking111 · 25/11/2024 14:31

We have council carers in our cul de sac. Four times a day for the lady at no 10. Three times a day for the lady at no 7. Twice a day for the man at no 6. Once a day for the lady at no 3.

We're drowning in our retirement and unemployment area. Our council tax has gone up 40% in five years. We're paying £3400 for our bungalow this year. The council have made huge cuts to roads, public toilets, libraries, bin collection. It's never enough.

Part of the reason your council tax has gone up is because many people on UC have theirs subsidised.
So overall we are getting less money whilst some are paying over the odds for less services and on and on it goes.
My cousin now has a huge tax bill but only fortnightly bin collections.
The build up of rubbish in the area has led to a huge rat infestation. Not just in numbers but in size, ( as big a cats ).

ForRealTurtle · 25/11/2024 14:41

@justasking111 You must be in a high council tax band i.e. a very expensive bungalow.

ForRealTurtle · 25/11/2024 14:38

NigellaAwesome · 25/11/2024 14:08

Yes I am sure. I am commenting on tax payers lining the pockets of private landlords and the tenants are still living in poor conditions.

Is the suggestion therefore that no public money should go into private hands? What about the vast sums being paid to agencies for nurses? Or where local authorities employ private taxis or coaches to convey school children or disabled around? Or local authorities pay care homes to look after the elderly. I could post endless examples where tax payer money is paid into private hands - why is 'lining the pockets of private landlords' different?

Lots of those examples are costing taxpayers an absolute fortune and also need reforming.

justasking111 · 25/11/2024 14:31

NigellaAwesome · 25/11/2024 14:08

Yes I am sure. I am commenting on tax payers lining the pockets of private landlords and the tenants are still living in poor conditions.

Is the suggestion therefore that no public money should go into private hands? What about the vast sums being paid to agencies for nurses? Or where local authorities employ private taxis or coaches to convey school children or disabled around? Or local authorities pay care homes to look after the elderly. I could post endless examples where tax payer money is paid into private hands - why is 'lining the pockets of private landlords' different?

We have council carers in our cul de sac. Four times a day for the lady at no 10. Three times a day for the lady at no 7. Twice a day for the man at no 6. Once a day for the lady at no 3.

We're drowning in our retirement and unemployment area. Our council tax has gone up 40% in five years. We're paying £3400 for our bungalow this year. The council have made huge cuts to roads, public toilets, libraries, bin collection. It's never enough.

justasking111 · 25/11/2024 14:23

Our town centre high street limited parking to 45 minutes. Fine for the bank, post office, for shopping it's limiting. For dining forget it. There's a small car park behind the town hall, but it's always full. The other council car park they've sold to McCarthy Stone for flats.

We go out of town to eat.

NigellaAwesome · 25/11/2024 14:08

Yes I am sure. I am commenting on tax payers lining the pockets of private landlords and the tenants are still living in poor conditions.

Is the suggestion therefore that no public money should go into private hands? What about the vast sums being paid to agencies for nurses? Or where local authorities employ private taxis or coaches to convey school children or disabled around? Or local authorities pay care homes to look after the elderly. I could post endless examples where tax payer money is paid into private hands - why is 'lining the pockets of private landlords' different?

ForRealTurtle · 25/11/2024 14:03

@StandingSideBySide I know. Someone said these should be put aside to create parking solutions. I was saying I disagree.

StandingSideBySide · 25/11/2024 13:50

ForRealTurtle · 25/11/2024 13:22

I do not agree with making new houses non disabled friendly. There are major issues with elderly people in many houses living in the living room and using a commode because older houses are not disabled friendly. There is already a lack of suitable housing for older people. It is why we have all those developments of flats with expensive service charges aimed at older people.

Edited

All new homes have to confirm to a certain level for the disabled.
Its in the building regs.

ForRealTurtle · 25/11/2024 13:22

I do not agree with making new houses non disabled friendly. There are major issues with elderly people in many houses living in the living room and using a commode because older houses are not disabled friendly. There is already a lack of suitable housing for older people. It is why we have all those developments of flats with expensive service charges aimed at older people.

StandingSideBySide · 25/11/2024 13:15

GreenTeaLikesMe · 25/11/2024 13:03

Yep, I have seen some decent solutions where a parking space is put under part of each terraced house, rather like a door-less garage, and the terrace is made taller to compensate for this, like three storeys tall. It is one way of making terraces work in areas where car-free living is unlikely to be practical, but it would probably need to be paired with strict rules banning on street parking overnight and banning garage conversions. Otherwise, people will convert the door-less garage into an extra room OR fill it full of clutter and crap and then park their car all over the street anyway.

It would probably also require some sort of rollback of the laws on making ground floors wheelchair accessible. Tall skinny townhouses with a parking space/open-air garage thing underneath the building are common where I live (Tokyo), but there is no way it would be wheelchair accessible, because once you have taken out a chunk of space for the parking area, the ground floor feels very small and you are not going to be able to fit in one of those large ground floor toilets with a wheelchair turning space.

We made disabled units double fronted. So you park on one side and live on the other with a further flat or maisonette above. The problem in terms of use however was requiring neighbours to tandem park and always caused problems. So the flat above never had parking unless it was provided elsewhere.

GreenTeaLikesMe · 25/11/2024 13:03

Yep, I have seen some decent solutions where a parking space is put under part of each terraced house, rather like a door-less garage, and the terrace is made taller to compensate for this, like three storeys tall. It is one way of making terraces work in areas where car-free living is unlikely to be practical, but it would probably need to be paired with strict rules banning on street parking overnight and banning garage conversions. Otherwise, people will convert the door-less garage into an extra room OR fill it full of clutter and crap and then park their car all over the street anyway.

It would probably also require some sort of rollback of the laws on making ground floors wheelchair accessible. Tall skinny townhouses with a parking space/open-air garage thing underneath the building are common where I live (Tokyo), but there is no way it would be wheelchair accessible, because once you have taken out a chunk of space for the parking area, the ground floor feels very small and you are not going to be able to fit in one of those large ground floor toilets with a wheelchair turning space.

StandingSideBySide · 25/11/2024 12:52

Ps
Like mews housing

StandingSideBySide · 25/11/2024 12:46

GreenTeaLikesMe · 25/11/2024 00:10

Terraces can be OK but hard decisions are going to have to be made about transportation.

Around public transport stops, the UK should build a mixture of terraces with apartment blocks, and have strict covenants and local rules that stop people in these areas owning cars or make it deliberately difficult.

OR, for areas further away from public transport, accept that most people who live there will want a car, and build houses that have offstreet parking, so not a traditional terrace. Although you can do semi-terraced options where part of the house is "built over" the garage.

Neighborhoods consisting of row after row of terraces with no offstreet parking are awful - neither one thing nor the other. They are not dense enough to create a situation where people could conceivably live without a car, so everyone owns a car, but there is also no offstreet parking so cars are jammed all over the narrow streets and all over the pavement. The UK needs to be knocking these areas down, not building more of them.

Agree.
‘Housing’ cars is always a nightmare. Obviously multi storey car parks is one way but for terraces I think the only way is to make the lower level tandem parking then you live above with a separate solution for the disabled.
If streets are one way then we don’t waste more land on roads which will also go some way to reduce hard standing and hence flooding

ForRealTurtle · 25/11/2024 10:49

@GreenTeaLikesMe lots of cities now have trams. We also need buses.
Using shops and restaurants you can walk to sounds nice, and I have that close to me. But it limits choice. Where I live has population density, plus chain restaurants and some shops. But I hate chain restaurants so go by car to eat out. I think when people think about being able to walk to things, they think of a wealthy area with nice independent restaurants and interesting shops. Not Nandos, Greggs and Heron Foods.