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Should I give inlaws £100 for heating now?

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Meloney · 22/11/2024 23:31

We're staying at the inlaws for a month because we're having some renovation work at home. FIL absolutely refuses to put the heating on. It's not yet winter according to him. MIL has been sitting on the sofa in her coat with a blanket and hot water bottle, shivering, these past few evenings. We asked FIL to put the heating on tonight because our bedroom is like an ice box, and he said no.

AIBU to give him some cash for the heating and ask to put it on? Do you think £100 is appropriate? We were going to give them some money (couple of hundred) for bills etc. when we leave (even though they keep insisting not to worry). I'm thinking offering some cash up front might help motivate him to put the heating on now.

For context, they're both 70, retired and financially comfortable, and live in a mortgage-free, 4 bedroom house in an affluent area of the SE. (What I'm saying is they're not hard up, so don't think it's unreasonable for them to have the heating on atm).

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Sharptonguedwoman · 23/11/2024 09:37

Miley1967 · 23/11/2024 09:34

My dad is late eighties.
To be honest though i work in benefits advice for older people so hear about the finances of a lot of older people and there are still an awful lot of women in their seventies and eighties who have extremely low state pensions indicating that either they have not worked much or were self employed and never paid their NI contributions. Like you say it could be that they worked very part time. of course my view is probably skewed though because those coming to our service for benefits advice are likely to be on a lower income.

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I'm sure you are right. Maybe lots worked for cash in hand and were never in the system and/or opted out of state pensions, especially married women.

LikeABat · 23/11/2024 09:36

£400 for a month may be too much. Our gas is £5-£6 per day including standing charge, hot water/showers and hob and it's on all day at 20°C (15°C at night).

WillowTree33 · 23/11/2024 09:35

Also @Meloney I don’t know if this would make any difference at all to FiL (prob not!) but do they have thermostatic valves on the radiators? You could turn off ones you don’t need and only heat your bedroom / living room for MiL (if she wants it)

Wherethewildthingsfart · 23/11/2024 09:34

Namechangefordaughterevasion · 23/11/2024 02:57

I'm slightly younger than the ILs but have a similar attitude to CH. I grew up without it and it has to be very cold for me to turn it on. At the moment I'm wearing normal day clothes (jeans, cashmere jumpers, t shirts, uggs). If I get cold I add a down gilet. If I'm still cold I add a full length fleece dressing gown or Oodie. If I'm still cold I might put the heating on.
At night, I actively prefer a cold room and keep my windows open all year round. I own a variety of throws, bedspreads duvets, and different weight pjs and mix and match them over the year to ensure that I'm always cosy even in sub zero temperatures.

I feel I'm winning at life if it's a cold day but the smart meter still indicates I've been frugal with fuel! If I can keep warm without turning the heat on I'd rather save the money to spend on fun things.

So I'm going to go against the grain here - if your ILs choose to live a certain way ( not dictated by budget restrictions) and it's not effecting their health I think it's rude bordering on arrogant to expect them to change to suit your preferences whilst they are giving you free bed and board.

I’m a lot younger but this is how we live too.

@Meloney I would buy an oil filled heater for your room, oodies and heated sheets/blankets. It’s only for a month.

CaptainCabinetsTrappedInCabinets · 23/11/2024 09:34

Just imagine what he's like when your not there.

I would be very worried about MIL

Miley1967 · 23/11/2024 09:34

Sharptonguedwoman · 23/11/2024 09:30

I've only known 90+ yr olds live like this tbh. Every single mum I knew as a child, worked. Term time, part time, sometimes full time but they worked. That generation are in their mid 90s now.

My dad is late eighties.
To be honest though i work in benefits advice for older people so hear about the finances of a lot of older people and there are still an awful lot of women in their seventies and eighties who have extremely low state pensions indicating that either they have not worked much or were self employed and never paid their NI contributions. Like you say it could be that they worked very part time. of course my view is probably skewed though because those coming to our service for benefits advice are likely to be on a lower income.

Dithercats · 23/11/2024 09:31

I bought an electric sofa blanket this week, 1p per hour to run and saves me heating the whole house while I'm sat in one room all day.
Would MIL like it?

TheHangingGardensOfBasildon · 23/11/2024 09:31

...Also, did he not acknowledge that he equally relied fully on her to care for their child(ren) all day - or was that just assumed to be a given?

Sharptonguedwoman · 23/11/2024 09:30

Miley1967 · 23/11/2024 09:26

It' often the much older generations where there is this controlling of the heating. many older women never really worked outside of the home and the men controlled the finances. My parents were like this, my dad doesn't feel the cold and my mum really did and it caused arguements and she felt she didn't really have too much of a say as she had no pension and relied on my dad all her life for money. My dad wasn't abusive just very careful as there was only ever one wage/ pension coming in.

I've only known 90+ yr olds live like this tbh. Every single mum I knew as a child, worked. Term time, part time, sometimes full time but they worked. That generation are in their mid 90s now.

TheHangingGardensOfBasildon · 23/11/2024 09:29

Miley1967 · 23/11/2024 09:26

It' often the much older generations where there is this controlling of the heating. many older women never really worked outside of the home and the men controlled the finances. My parents were like this, my dad doesn't feel the cold and my mum really did and it caused arguements and she felt she didn't really have too much of a say as she had no pension and relied on my dad all her life for money. My dad wasn't abusive just very careful as there was only ever one wage/ pension coming in.

But did he ever happily spend money on things that he wanted and enjoyed, even though your Mum couldn't have cared less about them?

BMW6 · 23/11/2024 09:28

There's no guarantee he'd put the heating on to an adequate temperature even if you gave him £1000. He likes the control.

Fuck him. Go to a air b&b or guest House. Tell him to shove it.

Miley1967 · 23/11/2024 09:26

RampantIvy · 23/11/2024 09:23

My father (62) can be like this too. But it's been normalised in their generation? It's sad.

Oy - less of the ageism please!

I'm 66 and DH is 72. We are equal. No misogyny in this household.

I would buy a small heater for your bedroom. Sneak it in if you have to.

It' often the much older generations where there is this controlling of the heating. many older women never really worked outside of the home and the men controlled the finances. My parents were like this, my dad doesn't feel the cold and my mum really did and it caused arguements and she felt she didn't really have too much of a say as she had no pension and relied on my dad all her life for money. My dad wasn't abusive just very careful as there was only ever one wage/ pension coming in.

TheHangingGardensOfBasildon · 23/11/2024 09:26

His argument that it's not yet winter - which is technically true - is nonsensical. You need heating when you need heating.

It's like those drivers who firmly believe that headlights are only for use at night and thus never think to use them on a grim, dreich, foggy day with very low visibility, just because the clock happens to say 1pm.

Sharptonguedwoman · 23/11/2024 09:26

Meloney · 23/11/2024 09:11

Oh I fully agree - the domineering man of the house vibe is 100% abusive and controlling. My father (62) can be like this too. But it's been normalised in their generation? It's sad.

I'm 66 and wouldn't be standing for this. I've only seen this in one couple I know who are 75.

needsomewarmsunshine · 23/11/2024 09:24

Like another current thread on here, do these people actually realise how dangerous a constantly cold home is to their health? The body needs to keep the inner core warm to protect vital organs. Hands and feet do not get the normal blood flow nor does the brain and the blood thickens slightly.
Heart attacks and strokes are very common among the eldery when it's cold.

borntobequiet · 23/11/2024 09:24

RamonaRamirez · 23/11/2024 07:43

We live in a 4 bed 50yr old house in the south, and in summer (with no heating on) we pay 300 a month

that is before heating

so and now when we put the heating on, sparingly, costs rocket

i guess we are also “misers” but DH been unemployed for 2 yrs and the cost of energy scares me

I live in a big apartment (more floor area than most family houses) at the top of a 400 year old, draughty, uninsulated house in an exposed position. I’m all electric, I put heating on when I need it (sometimes in the summer, if it’s chilly) and I spend less than you. Either:
The utility company is overcharging you or
You have made a typo or
This is simply not true.

CharlotteStreetW1 · 23/11/2024 09:24

Meloney · 23/11/2024 09:11

Oh I fully agree - the domineering man of the house vibe is 100% abusive and controlling. My father (62) can be like this too. But it's been normalised in their generation? It's sad.

Hmmm. DH and I are 61 and I don't recognise that dynamic between us at all, or among my similarly aged close friends. Perhaps you can have different "generations" within a similar age bracket? Having said that, my parents' marriage was pretty equal.

And our heating is very much on because (a) we both hate being cold and (b) DH has no idea how to operate the thermostat 😄

Sharptonguedwoman · 23/11/2024 09:24

justasking111 · 23/11/2024 01:17

Husband doesn't feel the cold. We had words this week, he's out in the morning with mates the thermostat panel was reading 14c. So I photographed it and sent on all the family WhatsApp groups. My DIL photographed hers 17c and the log burner going, her mother photographed hers 19c.

He ran the heating the rest of the day. And has done since. I threatened him with a phone call to Age Concern citing elder abuse. I said it was too cold to do housework so I'd withdrawn to the office putting the electric heater on 30c.

He's also lighting the log burner at lunchtime now.

The government say 19c for retirement age people.

@Meloney find a way to shame him publicly.

Does he have the heating control app on his phone? Insist on it being on yours since you are at home. I couldn't live like this, not even being able to control my own heating.

DieStrassensindimmernass · 23/11/2024 09:23

Get some fleecey blankets, hot water bottles and thermals.
Unfortunately, much as it sounds awful, you cannot force someone to put the heating on if they insist on not doing so.
I'd still offer them some money when you leave, for them letting you stay there and toward the general bills.
Alternatively book yourself some other accommodation.

RampantIvy · 23/11/2024 09:23

My father (62) can be like this too. But it's been normalised in their generation? It's sad.

Oy - less of the ageism please!

I'm 66 and DH is 72. We are equal. No misogyny in this household.

I would buy a small heater for your bedroom. Sneak it in if you have to.

WillowTree33 · 23/11/2024 09:22

I really struggle to relate to people who can afford it wilfully depriving themselves of a warm home.

Sure, we should all use CH carefully for financial and environmental reasons and I still only put mine on when it’s really cold and jumpers, blankets and wool socks don’t feel like enough, but as someone who grew up in a house with no heating or insulation in the 1990s and got chest infections every year it just irritates me when people refuse to switch it on when they or someone in the house is suffering. If they end up sick that’s taking up NHS time too. Just find another way to cut back.

As others have said it sounds like a control thing and I think the media attention around energy bills in recent years has played into it. I would definitely give him money for it.

Luddite26 · 23/11/2024 09:19

So what does your oh say seeing as it's his parents ?

Miley1967 · 23/11/2024 09:16

I see a lot of older people in their homes as part of my job and they are often reluctant to put the heating on even when financially comfortable. They invariably also love to moan about being financially squeezed whilst having incomes of £600 a week to live off and no housing costs ( have seen a few examples of this over the last couple of weeks). It baffles me why you would stay cold when you can afford not to be. Anyway in answer to your question yes I would offer money or buy yourselves a heather for your room.

Meloney · 23/11/2024 09:15

CherryVanillaPie · 23/11/2024 08:50

Crikey. Why does he think the tax payer should pay him heating benefits? Funny how the tories called benefits "allowances" when it was to a demographic they wanted to suck up to, while they were busy getting the country into debt and trashing the economy with brexit.

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They think it's an entitlement because they've 'worked hard all their lives' and there are plenty of 'benefits scroungers' getting handouts for nothing.

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Meloney · 23/11/2024 09:11

TheHangingGardensOfBasildon · 23/11/2024 08:30

She's kind of just as bad, she claims she would prefer not to put the heating on because it's wasteful. I don't think it's abuse, but they do have a very old-fashioned marriage where what FIL says, goes.

I disagree. She reminds me of the women on here who insist that their husband is very loving and caring, except for when he's beating her; and a devoted, affectionate dad, except for when he keeps ignoring and shouting at the kids over nothing.

Even in old-fashioned 'man in charge' marriages/families, the idea is supposedly that he facilitates everybody's needs and comforts; not that he just ignores anybody who isn't him.

Oh I fully agree - the domineering man of the house vibe is 100% abusive and controlling. My father (62) can be like this too. But it's been normalised in their generation? It's sad.

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