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Should I give inlaws £100 for heating now?

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Meloney · 22/11/2024 23:31

We're staying at the inlaws for a month because we're having some renovation work at home. FIL absolutely refuses to put the heating on. It's not yet winter according to him. MIL has been sitting on the sofa in her coat with a blanket and hot water bottle, shivering, these past few evenings. We asked FIL to put the heating on tonight because our bedroom is like an ice box, and he said no.

AIBU to give him some cash for the heating and ask to put it on? Do you think £100 is appropriate? We were going to give them some money (couple of hundred) for bills etc. when we leave (even though they keep insisting not to worry). I'm thinking offering some cash up front might help motivate him to put the heating on now.

For context, they're both 70, retired and financially comfortable, and live in a mortgage-free, 4 bedroom house in an affluent area of the SE. (What I'm saying is they're not hard up, so don't think it's unreasonable for them to have the heating on atm).

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Luddite26 · 23/11/2024 11:07

Meloney · 23/11/2024 11:03

Yes DP has had words with him. It goes in one ear and out the other. He just says he's the home owner and the bill payer.

Last Christmas we were here for a week and they had family and friends visiting most days. MIL had to nag him into putting the heating on because they had guests. And then the second the guests had left he would practically run to the thermostat to turn it off, then check the smart meter. I don't think he's well to be honest.

Sounds like DP doesn't give a fuck that his partner is uncomfortably cold and his mother is freezing. Good luck with him.

If he's known for being like that why on earth did you choose to stay with them.

shellyleppard · 23/11/2024 11:07

@Grmumpy my comment wasn't meant to be ageist. My dad is 80 and doesn't see the need for central heating. He has the money just doesn't believe in it. 🫤

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Meloney · 23/11/2024 11:04

Floralnomad · 23/11/2024 11:01

Oh I fully agree - the domineering man of the house vibe is 100% abusive and controlling. My father (62) can be like this too. But it's been normalised in their generation? It's sad

I really have to take issue with this , I’m late 50s and my husband is in his 60s and I don’t see this kind of relationship with domineering men being anymore prevalent in our generation than any other . It is certainly not normalised . 60-70 is not old anymore . When I first read this thread last night I assumed your in-laws were 80/90 as my MIL is in her 90s and very averse to spending money . If your 62 yo father is abusive and controlling that is your familys problem , don’t tar all people of that age with the same brush .

Thanks for your thoughts

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Meloney · 23/11/2024 11:03

Yes DP has had words with him. It goes in one ear and out the other. He just says he's the home owner and the bill payer.

Last Christmas we were here for a week and they had family and friends visiting most days. MIL had to nag him into putting the heating on because they had guests. And then the second the guests had left he would practically run to the thermostat to turn it off, then check the smart meter. I don't think he's well to be honest.

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Floralnomad · 23/11/2024 11:01

Oh I fully agree - the domineering man of the house vibe is 100% abusive and controlling. My father (62) can be like this too. But it's been normalised in their generation? It's sad

I really have to take issue with this , I’m late 50s and my husband is in his 60s and I don’t see this kind of relationship with domineering men being anymore prevalent in our generation than any other . It is certainly not normalised . 60-70 is not old anymore . When I first read this thread last night I assumed your in-laws were 80/90 as my MIL is in her 90s and very averse to spending money . If your 62 yo father is abusive and controlling that is your familys problem , don’t tar all people of that age with the same brush .

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Namechangefordaughterevasion · 23/11/2024 10:49

custardpyjamas · 23/11/2024 09:39

Can your DH not say, 'Dad it's bloody freezing around here, turn the bleep bleep heating on, I will pay the bill.', 'You may be used to being this cold, but we are not and I can't stand to see my wife shivering.'

He could say that and the dad may or may not accept it. But if they are used to living in a cold house (as I am) it might end up making the ILs uncomfortably warm. Why should they spend money (theirs or someone else's) and burn fuel to feel uncomfortable in their own home?

Mathsbabe · 23/11/2024 10:49

Our 4 bed, two adults, house costs over £300 a month to keep cold in the winter months, we have the heating on for an hour morning and evening plus keep the sitting room warm at between 20 and 22.
I shower every day at the gym.
At the moment our bedroom is at 13. Degrees but we have an electric blanket which is very cheap to run.
Our adult son is living with us this winter and bills are up.
An extra £400 for heating for a winter month is probably about right. Terrifying.
Three years ago I kept the house warm for £700 a year.

LittleBearPad · 23/11/2024 10:47

PandoraSox · 23/11/2024 10:41

Same here.

Agreed my DF is older and wouldn’t dream of behaving like that.

LittleBearPad · 23/11/2024 10:46

RamonaRamirez · 23/11/2024 07:43

We live in a 4 bed 50yr old house in the south, and in summer (with no heating on) we pay 300 a month

that is before heating

so and now when we put the heating on, sparingly, costs rocket

i guess we are also “misers” but DH been unemployed for 2 yrs and the cost of energy scares me

@RamonaRamirez we have a four bed Victorian house so almost certainly less well insulated than yours. Our gas and electric is £280 a month. The difference is that our heating has been on for weeks and we use the gas fire liberally.

Your bills don’t sound right at all or you’re on a terrible tariff that should be changed.

Nothatgingerpirate · 23/11/2024 10:41

Then your FiL is a crazy old abusive twat. 😳
Sorry.

PandoraSox · 23/11/2024 10:41

LivinInYourBigGlassHouseWithAView · 23/11/2024 10:40

It is not normalized in that age group. My husband is 60 and is nothing like that. Nor are most of the men I know in that age bracket.

Same here.

LivinInYourBigGlassHouseWithAView · 23/11/2024 10:40

Meloney · 23/11/2024 09:11

Oh I fully agree - the domineering man of the house vibe is 100% abusive and controlling. My father (62) can be like this too. But it's been normalised in their generation? It's sad.

It is not normalized in that age group. My husband is 60 and is nothing like that. Nor are most of the men I know in that age bracket.

PandoraSox · 23/11/2024 10:40

justasking111 · 23/11/2024 01:17

Husband doesn't feel the cold. We had words this week, he's out in the morning with mates the thermostat panel was reading 14c. So I photographed it and sent on all the family WhatsApp groups. My DIL photographed hers 17c and the log burner going, her mother photographed hers 19c.

He ran the heating the rest of the day. And has done since. I threatened him with a phone call to Age Concern citing elder abuse. I said it was too cold to do housework so I'd withdrawn to the office putting the electric heater on 30c.

He's also lighting the log burner at lunchtime now.

The government say 19c for retirement age people.

@Meloney find a way to shame him publicly.

I hope you don't mind me saying this, but this is not the first post of yours I have read that suggests your husband doesn't treat you very well. I hope you are OK.

VacuumPacked · 23/11/2024 10:38

Cattyisbatty · 23/11/2024 09:58

Can't bear being cold in someone else's house let alone a close relative's where there's no need to be 'polite'. Seems very odd that your MIL sits there rugged up and doesn't mind.
If your FIL has an App, you should be able to control the heating still via each radiator (we have an App too but you can still control each rad separately), however I'd probably just find an AirBnB locally and stay there in the warm!

I’m always colder in other people’s homes, possibly because we tend to sit down more, whether dining, conversing or just not wanting to be in the way, whereas at home I potter, can change clothes more readily, wear thick arctic socks and one
unforgettable winter when the oil truck (or any vehicle) could not navigate the icy sunless back lane safely and I was ekeing out the logs, a woolly hat! in my house!
I would not dress so in someone else’s home.

Older people who sit through the day, having cups of tea and biscuits brought to them, rather than being encouraged to make a pot of tea themselves, for instance, tend to feel the cold and become obsessed with draughts.

I want to advocate for those of you in cold draughty houses, a Hara Maki, a ribbed one if possible, covers your vitals, amazing difference, or, a ribbed vest top, to cling.
I bought mine in Next, thin fine fabric which doesnt feel as cumbersome as a vest.

My df was an engineer, fixed timed gadgets on all radiators, making sure the one in their small bathroom was permanently off.
Power and control.

Rows and pleading. Sisterly intervention. Sulks and slamming about (df) awful petulant behaviour in a 3 bed 30’s detached well insulated, thickly carpeted, porched, heavy curtained house with a bitterly cold bathroom.

btw
The one single difference we made to our house was not opening the front north facing door and letting Mr Cold Wind in to race around the house, but to hang a very heavy door curtain, bought at a saleroom, clean and unused, £6.00, at the front door then use the side door into the utility room, a much better arrangement.

The hall became transformed, warm, cosy, and quiet, so that
when we opened the living room door the heat from the fire could
make its way to the landing withut being sucked out of the front door.

Being cold is debilitating and inhibits movement. Pp remarking that it is unhealthy are correct. I have stayed with people in homes you could see your breath, especially in rural exposed areas, solid fuel or oil dependent because they are hardy and believe everyone else need to be too. It’s not civilised in this time to be unconcerned about the comfort of guests - and wife !

OP this is for your dh to tackle, financial inducements or an arrangement should already be in place, that it isn’t yet Winter is bloody minded, irrational and callous.

StormingBurt · 23/11/2024 10:34

Meloney · 23/11/2024 10:17

MIL grew up in poverty in the 60s. She was 1 of 8 kids who grew up in a 3 bedroom terraced on a rough estate in London. They had no heating, shared baths, and survived on bread and potatoes. I think her mindset is basically if she survived growing up with nothing, she can cope with nothing now. That includes food and heating. They also often eat only one meal a day to save money, and live off soup, toast and Spam. And wine. Each to their own and all, but it's just frustrating to see.

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I'm older than your Mum and grew up in poverty too - outside loo till I was 3 years old and no heating or hot water in the house.

My attitude now is we can afford heating and I want to be warm.

It's not about age - it's about your parents.

thepariscrimefiles · 23/11/2024 10:33

Meloney · 23/11/2024 10:08

After school she had an admin job for about 8 years before becoming a full-time mum.

Sounds like my ex-MIL who worked for a couple of years before getting married and then never again, but always went on about people on benefits draining the country dry while hard-working taxpayers paid for it all. She paid no taxes.

StormingBurt · 23/11/2024 10:32

Meloney · 22/11/2024 23:31

We're staying at the inlaws for a month because we're having some renovation work at home. FIL absolutely refuses to put the heating on. It's not yet winter according to him. MIL has been sitting on the sofa in her coat with a blanket and hot water bottle, shivering, these past few evenings. We asked FIL to put the heating on tonight because our bedroom is like an ice box, and he said no.

AIBU to give him some cash for the heating and ask to put it on? Do you think £100 is appropriate? We were going to give them some money (couple of hundred) for bills etc. when we leave (even though they keep insisting not to worry). I'm thinking offering some cash up front might help motivate him to put the heating on now.

For context, they're both 70, retired and financially comfortable, and live in a mortgage-free, 4 bedroom house in an affluent area of the SE. (What I'm saying is they're not hard up, so don't think it's unreasonable for them to have the heating on atm).

Yes.

They sound a bit bonkers.

We're almost the same age and have a large house and the heating is on from 7am - 10pm at 22 C.

Our utility costs at the moment in colder weather are around £180 a month.
That includes gas and electric.

TravelInsuranceQ · 23/11/2024 10:31

Meloney · 23/11/2024 09:11

Oh I fully agree - the domineering man of the house vibe is 100% abusive and controlling. My father (62) can be like this too. But it's been normalised in their generation? It's sad.

ODFOD
That's really ageist and completely inaccurate.
I'm in that generation and honestly don't know any men my age like that.
My Dad's age yes, not mine
You need to remember that controlling abusive men can be any age.

tillytoodles1 · 23/11/2024 10:30

My in-laws lived in Scotland, they kept the thermostat at 14. In the winter I'd always wear clothes under my pj's or I couldn't sleep. Single beds too so we couldn't even cuddle up to get warm.

oustedbymymate · 23/11/2024 10:26

This is crazy. Why the hell is your MIL putting up with this controlling behaviour? It's been -7 here this week!!!

Option 1 - air b and b. Would be much easier nicer etc

Option 2 - DH confronts FIL about how controlling he is.

Option 3 - oil follows radiator and electric blanket.

TheHangingGardensOfBasildon · 23/11/2024 10:24

godmum56 · 23/11/2024 10:04

This!! There is another thread on here asking if people leave the heat on overnight and many people are saying that they had no central heating when they were children and cannot stand it on at night or too hot in the day and they shove on extra layers and then layers on the layers. Well that is their choice and fair enough but, like my parents, I was cold as a child with no choice and as soon as we moved out of our condemned house and did have a choice, we swore never to be cold again. (I am in my 70's)

It's mad, isn't it? An equivalent might be somebody who grew up in poverty who gets successful and comfortably off, yet still prefers to live a spartan, wretched life, lacking any pleasant home comforts, because 'that's what they're used to'!

None of us on here over 30 grew up even knowing what the Internet was - but here we all are, still happily and gratefully benefiting from it now!

Luddite26 · 23/11/2024 10:23

So what does your oh say OP? Can't he give them the money and say put the heating on?
With it being his parents and all that?

blankittyblank · 23/11/2024 10:23

justasking111 · 23/11/2024 01:17

Husband doesn't feel the cold. We had words this week, he's out in the morning with mates the thermostat panel was reading 14c. So I photographed it and sent on all the family WhatsApp groups. My DIL photographed hers 17c and the log burner going, her mother photographed hers 19c.

He ran the heating the rest of the day. And has done since. I threatened him with a phone call to Age Concern citing elder abuse. I said it was too cold to do housework so I'd withdrawn to the office putting the electric heater on 30c.

He's also lighting the log burner at lunchtime now.

The government say 19c for retirement age people.

@Meloney find a way to shame him publicly.

Get the app on your phone too - then you can run it when you like.