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Aibu to be very upset at the way this poor care worker was treated by the Irish Taoiseach? Video in link.

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Imperiallanger · 22/11/2024 23:27

As our main political leader I find his manner very condescending & passive aggressive. Very upset watching this.. Video linked here. Care workers in Ireland have been let down very badly by our politicians

www.rte.ie/news/post/104564612/

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Imperiallanger · 25/11/2024 10:59

Anothermathstest · 25/11/2024 10:52

That’s very interesting @wheretonow123, thank you.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40952696.html

So is this.. Labour are very pro trans & still are. My labour candidate was very dismissive when I told him I want female only spaces, prisons & sports teams.

Alison O'Connor: We can be trans-inclusive without undermining women’s rights

"We must respect people's identity. A trans woman is a woman. A trans man is a man," says Labour Party leader and chair of the gender committee Ivana Bacik

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40952696.html

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Anothermathstest · 25/11/2024 10:52

That’s very interesting @wheretonow123, thank you.

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Imperiallanger · 25/11/2024 09:54

wheretonow123 · 25/11/2024 09:45

In my opinion Climate Change and the Environment is the most important of (many) issues facing the country. It also should have been much much higher in the US election.

There is a report released on a review of the political parties policies for the election.

Labour came out as the party with the best climate action policies followed by Social Democrats and the Green Party.

The big parties were very similar and in the middle which is disappointing

Aountú and Independent Ireland were bottom of the class.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/experts-give-smaller-parties-bigger-points-for-climate-policies-in-election-analysis/a1121016293.html

Labour has emerged as the party with the best climate action policies in an assessment of election manifestos commissioned by environmental group, Friends of the Earth.
The party was awarded an A grade, while Social Democrats took second place with an A- and the Green Party came third with a B followed by People Before Profit with a C.
The three biggest parties, Fine Gael, Fiannal Fail and Sinn Fein, were joint fifth, all with a failing E grade while Aontú and Independent Ireland came last with a G.
Friends of the Earth tasked the analysis to three experts: Dr Cara Augustenborg, Assistant Professor in Environmental Policy at UCD; Prof Hannah Daly, Professor in Sustainable Energy at University College Cork; and Prof Mary Murphy, Professor of Sociology at Maynooth University.
They marked the parties under five headings, assessing their willingness to take leadership on climate issues and how they would address the decarbonisation of homes, energy, transport and agriculture.
They placed emphasis on both what was in the manifestos and what they judged was left out.

“The parties who received the highest scores in this assessment, especially Labour and Social Democrats, placed climate action as a key policy priority (and) detailed a comprehensive set of policies to deliver faster and fairer decarbonisation,” the experts said.
“It is alarming that the manifestos of the three parties vying to provide the next Taoiseach all failed this independent climate assessment”

  • Friends of the Earth chief executive Oisín Coghlan
“A key difference between the political parties who received failing grades compared to political parties with higher grades was that failing parties were far more focused on accelerating development of wind and solar infrastructure than curtailing the burning of fossil fuels. “In other words, they answered only half of the climate question by not committing to phase out fossil fuels and stop building new fossil fuel infrastructure. They said parties with high grades show a greater willingness to “grasp the nettle” on turning people away from fossil fuels and propose transformative actions in thorny topics like aviation, roads and food policy. Friends of the Earth chief executive Oisín Coghlan said the conclusions of the exercise were very worrying.

“It is alarming that the manifestos of the three parties vying to provide the next Taoiseach all failed this independent climate assessment,” he said.
“They all voted for the climate law and the binding limits on pollution adopted by the last Dáil.
“But their manifestos don’t contain polices to reduce emissions fast enough to meet those 2030 commitments.”

Will FF & FG go in with Labour though? Possibly who knows. All we know is we'll definitely have some form of coalition

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wheretonow123 · 25/11/2024 09:45

In my opinion Climate Change and the Environment is the most important of (many) issues facing the country. It also should have been much much higher in the US election.

There is a report released on a review of the political parties policies for the election.

Labour came out as the party with the best climate action policies followed by Social Democrats and the Green Party.

The big parties were very similar and in the middle which is disappointing

Aountú and Independent Ireland were bottom of the class.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/experts-give-smaller-parties-bigger-points-for-climate-policies-in-election-analysis/a1121016293.html

Labour has emerged as the party with the best climate action policies in an assessment of election manifestos commissioned by environmental group, Friends of the Earth.
The party was awarded an A grade, while Social Democrats took second place with an A- and the Green Party came third with a B followed by People Before Profit with a C.
The three biggest parties, Fine Gael, Fiannal Fail and Sinn Fein, were joint fifth, all with a failing E grade while Aontú and Independent Ireland came last with a G.
Friends of the Earth tasked the analysis to three experts: Dr Cara Augustenborg, Assistant Professor in Environmental Policy at UCD; Prof Hannah Daly, Professor in Sustainable Energy at University College Cork; and Prof Mary Murphy, Professor of Sociology at Maynooth University.
They marked the parties under five headings, assessing their willingness to take leadership on climate issues and how they would address the decarbonisation of homes, energy, transport and agriculture.
They placed emphasis on both what was in the manifestos and what they judged was left out.

“The parties who received the highest scores in this assessment, especially Labour and Social Democrats, placed climate action as a key policy priority (and) detailed a comprehensive set of policies to deliver faster and fairer decarbonisation,” the experts said.
“It is alarming that the manifestos of the three parties vying to provide the next Taoiseach all failed this independent climate assessment”

  • Friends of the Earth chief executive Oisín Coghlan
“A key difference between the political parties who received failing grades compared to political parties with higher grades was that failing parties were far more focused on accelerating development of wind and solar infrastructure than curtailing the burning of fossil fuels. “In other words, they answered only half of the climate question by not committing to phase out fossil fuels and stop building new fossil fuel infrastructure. They said parties with high grades show a greater willingness to “grasp the nettle” on turning people away from fossil fuels and propose transformative actions in thorny topics like aviation, roads and food policy. Friends of the Earth chief executive Oisín Coghlan said the conclusions of the exercise were very worrying.

“It is alarming that the manifestos of the three parties vying to provide the next Taoiseach all failed this independent climate assessment,” he said.
“They all voted for the climate law and the binding limits on pollution adopted by the last Dáil.
“But their manifestos don’t contain polices to reduce emissions fast enough to meet those 2030 commitments.”

Anothermathstest · 25/11/2024 09:23

Most of that doesn’t really explain why you’ve singled out Fine Gael to me, sorry.

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Imperiallanger · 25/11/2024 08:55

Anothermathstest · 25/11/2024 08:47

The only way we can get change we deserve is to give NO preference to any Fine Gael candidate on our precious ballot papers.

Why is Fine Gael getting the blame for everything OP? They’re in government with Fianna Fáil and the Greens.

They were very vocal about getting the hate speech bill passed
The bike shed scandal happend during Simon Harris's watch
Simon Harris said children with scoliosis would only wait 4 months for life changing surgery, some are now waiting over 4 years!
The cervical cancer scandal.
The childrens hospital scandal.
The way the poor women was treated in Kanturk will be the final straw for many voters & a reminder of how carers were forgotten
Look at the cost of living at the moment
The housing crisis

Fianna Fáil aren't much better but I will take them over Fine Gael. And according to news reports this morning FF are set to capitalise on FGs misfortune & take more seats than them.

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Anothermathstest · 25/11/2024 08:47

The only way we can get change we deserve is to give NO preference to any Fine Gael candidate on our precious ballot papers.

Why is Fine Gael getting the blame for everything OP? They’re in government with Fianna Fáil and the Greens.

Imperiallanger · 25/11/2024 07:58

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-41523383.html?fbclid=IwY2xjawGxDFhleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHTgBZtGaKETUDVhSQEaFByNqq_4mx_2AxTMwAsusRE9taMTlav-X9AfQXg_aem_GX1GpwEQyNYoKnMcxueQBQ

Sounds like morale is very low in Fine Gael 😂 I hope people remember Charlotte Fallon, the pushing of the hate speech bill, the National Children's Hospital, the bike shed, the cost of living crisis, the scoliosis children, the cervical cancer scandal & petrol hikes when we go to the polls on Friday.
The only way we can get change we deserve is to give NO preference to any Fine Gael candidate on our precious ballot papers. What would our founding fathers & the suffregates think & do?

Fine Gael has '48 hours to turn things around' after weekend blows

Party sources said that the Taoiseach's swift apology to Ms Fallon was to be commended, but accepted that the optics and timing of the incident were a problem

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-41523383.html?fbclid=IwY2xjawGxDFhleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHTgBZtGaKETUDVhSQEaFByNqq_4mx_2AxTMwAsusRE9taMTlav-X9AfQXg_aem_GX1GpwEQyNYoKnMcxueQBQ

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Imperiallanger · 25/11/2024 07:49

MoreCraicPlease · 25/11/2024 07:41

Thinking about it, I wonder if SH is neurodiverse - although sociable and a good communicator he can seem very awkward and uncertain at times when a situation goes off script.

Like MM & LV previously he is unable to deal with unscriped questions.
He was there to meet the public & was advocating for the local TD John Paul O Shea. He had no intention of giving that woman the time of day. The local TD should have at least continued to speak with poor Charlotte Fallon rather than following Simon with the rest of the local entourage.

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MoreCraicPlease · 25/11/2024 07:41

Thinking about it, I wonder if SH is neurodiverse - although sociable and a good communicator he can seem very awkward and uncertain at times when a situation goes off script.

MoreCraicPlease · 25/11/2024 07:40

I watched it last night to see what all the fuss was about and you could hear the emotion in the woman’s voice as she tried to communicate . That said I wouldn’t judge SH or FG by this single encounter at the end of a long day.

Ireland’s campaigns are strange though: you only have to see them all dancing in that Monaghan woman’s gift shop to see how challenging a tightrope they walk.

Imperiallanger · 25/11/2024 07:29

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/roderic-ogorman-raids-funds-to-push-11m-to-lgbtq-projects/42370318.html

Never forget that it was Peadar Toibín & Aontú who revealed Roderic O Gorman had taken funds designated for other groups & reallocated the funds to lgbtq projects.
Peadar obtained the shocking evidence through the freedom of information act showing real leadership & proving he's the only real opposition party in the Dáil.

Roderic O’Gorman ‘raids’ funds to push €1.1m to LGBTQ+ projects

Equality Minister Roderic O’Gorman has been accused of playing “parish pump politics” after his department transferred €1.1m to LGBTQ+ projects. The money was originally allocated to schemes for the Traveller and Roma communities, migrant integration a...

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/roderic-ogorman-raids-funds-to-push-11m-to-lgbtq-projects/42370318.html

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Imperiallanger · 24/11/2024 17:59

https://gript.ie/vile-scoliosis-children-failed-by-the-state-as-minister-admits-funds-for-surgeries-spent-more-broadly/

This is an excellent article highlighting how children with scoliosis have been failed by this government..
Simon Harris promised no child would be waiting more then four months for scoliosis surgery, some are now waiting four years... Lies, lies, lies. Friday can't come quick enough!

"Vile": Scoliosis children "failed by the state" as Minister admits funds for surgeries spent "more broadly" - Gript

The Minister admitted the majority of a €19 million fund allocated to cut waits for children's scoliosis surgeries was spent “far more broadly

https://gript.ie/vile-scoliosis-children-failed-by-the-state-as-minister-admits-funds-for-surgeries-spent-more-broadly

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Imperiallanger · 24/11/2024 14:31

mollyfolk · 24/11/2024 12:32

I am in lreland. I hate this tendency to pick one incidence during a busy campaign trail and use it against someone to the point of destruction. Its akin to cancel culture. OK show the video and people will make up their own mind but going into a complete barrage against the man is completely unnecessary.

It is fascinating how one miss step can cause a drop in the polls by so much.

I think it was just a stress response at the time. But it tapped into a feeling that Fine Gael supports is a party that supports people who have money - it doesn't stand up for the vulnerable and it doesn't care about growing inequality.

I worked on the frontline with vulnerable families living in poverty for years and the difference between their children's life chances and mind are so stark because our public services are so poor.

Well said @mollyfolk it is fascinating & especially for it to happen so close to the election. Simon Harris appeared to be quite a measured man unlike say Trump or Boris Johnson who have had so many "moments" we became immune to them.

The fascinating part of this too is the fact mainstream media aired it & are not letting up. It's probably happened many politicians when the cameras weren't rolling. Unfortunately for Simon there were & RTE chose to air it.

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wheretonow123 · 24/11/2024 13:42

I am in Ireland also.

I saw the clip. It wasn't Simon's best moment but he apologised and is planning to meet her to discuss further. He was tired after a long day and had met and spoke to many others on many topics.

As far as I am concerned that's it. Case closed. I think it is being blown up way too much on this and the other thread that the same OP has started.

Regarding the election I wasnt planning on voting FG anyway but this incident would not persuade me away from them had I been planning to do so.

mollyfolk · 24/11/2024 12:32

I am in lreland. I hate this tendency to pick one incidence during a busy campaign trail and use it against someone to the point of destruction. Its akin to cancel culture. OK show the video and people will make up their own mind but going into a complete barrage against the man is completely unnecessary.

It is fascinating how one miss step can cause a drop in the polls by so much.

I think it was just a stress response at the time. But it tapped into a feeling that Fine Gael supports is a party that supports people who have money - it doesn't stand up for the vulnerable and it doesn't care about growing inequality.

I worked on the frontline with vulnerable families living in poverty for years and the difference between their children's life chances and mind are so stark because our public services are so poor.

Imperiallanger · 24/11/2024 11:38

Sakura7 · 24/11/2024 11:29

Here are the issues the electorate actually cares about, from the latest Sindo poll.

A certain single issue is nowhere to be seen.

Yep & here is the poll from the Sunday Independent on Peadar Toibín winning the leaders debate. Obviously the polled electorate think he argued the best on those matters you listed which were discussed on the debate.

Aibu to be very upset at the way this poor care worker was treated by the Irish Taoiseach? Video in link.
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Sakura7 · 24/11/2024 11:29

Here are the issues the electorate actually cares about, from the latest Sindo poll.

A certain single issue is nowhere to be seen.

Aibu to be very upset at the way this poor care worker was treated by the Irish Taoiseach? Video in link.
Imperiallanger · 24/11/2024 09:52

mollyfolk · 24/11/2024 09:48

I am a single issue voter, always have been.

Are you saying you always have voted with your "gender critical" issue in mind? What age are you?

I don't think Aontú are completely nuts and I have no doubt they will grow their support this time.
Hell would freeze over before I'd vote for them but I'm not their target anyway. Peader is a good speaker (their only speaker!) and I'm sure there are a core group of conservative, nationalist voters who will vote for them.

Their only speaker because they were only formed 5 years ago & the last general election was four years ago!!!!
He is their only representative in the Dáil & look at the momentum he has built for being the parties only voice!

The previous election I voted with education as my single issue. I am 44.

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mollyfolk · 24/11/2024 09:48

I am a single issue voter, always have been.

Are you saying you always have voted with your "gender critical" issue in mind? What age are you?

I don't think Aontú are completely nuts and I have no doubt they will grow their support this time.
Hell would freeze over before I'd vote for them but I'm not their target anyway. Peader is a good speaker (their only speaker!) and I'm sure there are a core group of conservative, nationalist voters who will vote for them.

Imperiallanger · 24/11/2024 07:08

Latest polls via Ireland thinks & the Sunday Independent. Good man Peadar Toibín topping yet another poll based on the leaders debate last Monday.

Aibu to be very upset at the way this poor care worker was treated by the Irish Taoiseach? Video in link.
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Imperiallanger · 24/11/2024 05:29

TinySmol · 24/11/2024 05:17

Shows how little they care.

The only positive from this is that it's a week before a general election.. Also I have been pleasently surprised at how RTE & the mainstream have been all over this!
No damage control or censorship of online comments. We are actually getting unbiased reporting for the first time in a long time. And this is very important in the lead up to the election. It seems the mainstream media are just as appalled as the rest of the country.

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TinySmol · 24/11/2024 05:17

Shows how little they care.