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Second-homer wanting to be part of the community

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IMustConfess · 22/11/2024 20:30

I live in a village on the coast in a semi-rural area. It's a place where people come to live for a relatively quiet life with great walks, fresh air and unspoiled beaches. Lots of artists and writers and gardeners.

Two years ago a couple from London bought the small detached property next door to me. It's a holiday home for them and their friends and family. They're in their 50s, clearly used to a busy lifestyle in London. Lots of talk of theatre and gigs and nice restaurants. They moved in and invited a few locals to dinner and said they wanted to get involved with whatever's going on. They clearly expected to be invited back to eat with everyone and were surprised when some didn't reciprocate. 'But we were told there was a great community here!' They went round knocking on lots of doors and introducing themselves and saying how much they wanted to be involved, but they're probably only here for 10 weeks of the year max. One of my neighbours was really pissed off by it. She said it was like they had an idea of country life they'd got from a TV drama.

When their families come down independently they knock on my door and introduce themselves and say how wonderful that we're all such good friends/ such a lovely community and seem to expect to be invited in and given tea and told what's on. If there's something happening they want me to take them along. They've clearly been told I'll be happy to include them.

This year the husband's been working away a lot and so the wife has been coming down on her own. She always messages me a day or two before she's due to arrive and announces she's coming and wants to know what's on in 'the community'. She messages me when she's arrived so I know she's arrived safely. 😱She expects to be included in anything I've got going on. I took her to my book group when she was down in the summer, and now she expects to be included and tries to get us to schedule our meet-ups for when she's here.

When I moved here I got to know people slowly and worked out who I got on with. My neighbours seem to think friendship comes on a plate and everyone loves them. We have friends who live next door to an AirBnB and say something similar: many of the people who rent the place want to talk to them as if they're friends and happy to spend half an hour telling them which coastal walk is most scenic or which local pub does the best beer. We live here: we're not tourist information or rent-a-mate.

Are we the unreasonable ones? What's going on with people that they think they can just waltz into a new area and everyone'll love them?

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CurbsideProphet · 22/11/2024 21:17

They expected you to look after their garden, then pay for their gutters to be cleaned and just "settle up" in a month or so when they popped back?
I don't know how anyone could say you are unreasonable for thinking that's incredibly cheeky.

IMustConfess · 22/11/2024 21:15

Biffbaff · 22/11/2024 21:10

If second homers are so bad, why do locals keep selling their houses to them? Sell out or keep it local. You can't have it both ways.

You'll have to asked the son of my late neighbour. He lives in Canada.

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Allthehorsesintheworld · 22/11/2024 21:15

I get you OP, I live in a second home village as well. First, adopt a resting bitch face. Then if they ask what’s going in, who’s doing what just shrug, no idea, maybe look online? And disappear.
Don’t arrange anything, don’t invite them to anything. If they’re that desperate to join in the community they’ll find out what is happening and where.

( biggest second home CF I had , years ago different village, came home to find my rotary line full of laundry. Ndn breezily said they hadn’t had time to put up a line yet and she didn’t think I’d mind….. I bloody did, also tried sending her kid to play in my garden as it was bigger than theirs..)

sonjadog · 22/11/2024 21:13

I have lived somewhere similar and I get what you mean. I think the thing is to be friendly, but also to have boundaries regarding what you will and will not do. So your book club meets when it suits them, not her. You take her along to events that suit you and go alone when you don't want her company etc. I think they are just trying to be friendly, and nothing wrong with that, but they are maybe not going about it in quite the right way.

FixingStuff · 22/11/2024 21:12

I think you need to find words to pepper your sentences with to make it clear where she stands. I mean make it clear that she is work, not fun, and if necessary charge her for the entertainments. Or be blunt and tell her that she is a CF, but in some nicer language.

CoffeeCantata · 22/11/2024 21:10

I get it, OP - they seem to think they're bestowing their wonderful company on others, and are bound to be welcomed with open arms. A bit of humility and 'putting out feelers' (ugh - sorry!) more gently and 'organically' might be a better approach.

I'm sure they're good, well-meaning people - but a bit full of themselves, perhaps? Irritating rather than unpleasant. And possibly, if they've come from London and been used to all the metropolis can offer, they need to just chill out a bit when in your area - and not expect excitement and entertainment all the time - especially if they're expecting others to keep them informed or provide it for them.

Alpolonia · 22/11/2024 21:10

It sounds like you’re facilitating their country life. I would keep on nodding terms but push back on doing stuff for them re their house. Just maintain a friendly distance.

Biffbaff · 22/11/2024 21:10

If second homers are so bad, why do locals keep selling their houses to them? Sell out or keep it local. You can't have it both ways.

Rhaidimiddim · 22/11/2024 21:08

She seems to see you as a resource. The friendly local,. An instant friend without, as you point out, having done the years-long business of building that friendship.

Also, pointing you out as the go-to person for other people who use the house? Not on.

Also, where is the reciprocation that comes with solid friendship?

She has taken your friendliness for friendship and is, IMHO, overstepping boundaries in ways that I would consider CF-ery within even good friendships.

Your post provides a very interesting perspective on this kind of situation.

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 22/11/2024 21:08

It sounds like she’s under the mistaken impression that you are friends with her. Why put so much energy into disliking someone for making an effort. Honestly it’s the thing I like least about some parts of England, treating people like they’re not worth knowing because you didn’t go to primary school with them.

She could be lovely if you gave her a chance, you might have things in common, share a laugh - I have friends I only see a few times a year and I still love seeing them - I don’t grumble about them not being around all the time. You never know she could be planning on retiring in a few years and making a permanent move. A stranger is a friend you haven’t met yet!

IMustConfess · 22/11/2024 21:07

Hateam · 22/11/2024 21:03

They're just trying to nake friends. Is that so bad?

I bet they don't want to be friends with their neighbours in London. I lived there for 20 years and the way people survive in London is by limiting contact with the neighbours to an occasional polite 'Hello.' But somehow here in the country it's different.

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DingDoong · 22/11/2024 21:05

I actually feel a bit sorry for them

LadyGabriella · 22/11/2024 21:05

Yabu

RandomUsernameHere · 22/11/2024 21:05

They made the effort to invite a few "locals" to dinner, so it's not just a one-way relationship and about what others can do for them. In my opinion it's bad manners if people accepted the invitation and didn't reciprocate.

SweetSixty · 22/11/2024 21:04

They sound like active, motivated people.
Don't you have any local charities or fund raising things you can point them towards? They'd get to meet people and contribute to the community.
The village would benefit from their energy and enthusiasm.

My experience is that small coastal villages need all the youngish, interested volunteers they can get to run the fete, keep the local fire station open and fund the new slates on the church roof.

That way you might all be able to benefit.

IMustConfess · 22/11/2024 21:04

rainydays03 · 22/11/2024 20:57

But if they kept themselves to themselves and didn’t try and involve themselves in the local
community, you’d all be pissed off at that too right?

There's a middle way that might involve starting gently, listening to the locals, offering something to the community rather than just expecting to be entertained and supported. In time you work out which people you really like and want to spend time with and the people best avoided at all costs.

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cgwmtl · 22/11/2024 21:04

But if they just showed up for 10 weeks a year and kept themselves to themselves you'd be complaining about that too - second homers buying a place and not wanting to get involved.
They can't do right for doing wrong.

I don't think they were assuming everyone would love them as soon as they "waltzed in" as you put it. They are trying to be friendly and get to know people.
What would you rather they did?

Sleepysleepycoffeecoffee · 22/11/2024 21:03

IMustConfess · 22/11/2024 20:30

I live in a village on the coast in a semi-rural area. It's a place where people come to live for a relatively quiet life with great walks, fresh air and unspoiled beaches. Lots of artists and writers and gardeners.

Two years ago a couple from London bought the small detached property next door to me. It's a holiday home for them and their friends and family. They're in their 50s, clearly used to a busy lifestyle in London. Lots of talk of theatre and gigs and nice restaurants. They moved in and invited a few locals to dinner and said they wanted to get involved with whatever's going on. They clearly expected to be invited back to eat with everyone and were surprised when some didn't reciprocate. 'But we were told there was a great community here!' They went round knocking on lots of doors and introducing themselves and saying how much they wanted to be involved, but they're probably only here for 10 weeks of the year max. One of my neighbours was really pissed off by it. She said it was like they had an idea of country life they'd got from a TV drama.

When their families come down independently they knock on my door and introduce themselves and say how wonderful that we're all such good friends/ such a lovely community and seem to expect to be invited in and given tea and told what's on. If there's something happening they want me to take them along. They've clearly been told I'll be happy to include them.

This year the husband's been working away a lot and so the wife has been coming down on her own. She always messages me a day or two before she's due to arrive and announces she's coming and wants to know what's on in 'the community'. She messages me when she's arrived so I know she's arrived safely. 😱She expects to be included in anything I've got going on. I took her to my book group when she was down in the summer, and now she expects to be included and tries to get us to schedule our meet-ups for when she's here.

When I moved here I got to know people slowly and worked out who I got on with. My neighbours seem to think friendship comes on a plate and everyone loves them. We have friends who live next door to an AirBnB and say something similar: many of the people who rent the place want to talk to them as if they're friends and happy to spend half an hour telling them which coastal walk is most scenic or which local pub does the best beer. We live here: we're not tourist information or rent-a-mate.

Are we the unreasonable ones? What's going on with people that they think they can just waltz into a new area and everyone'll love them?

When they next ask what’s going on in the ‘community’ just tell them they’ll have to spend more time there to know and be properly involved.

Hateam · 22/11/2024 21:03

They're just trying to nake friends. Is that so bad?

BobbyBiscuits · 22/11/2024 21:00

Do you have a reason to not want to be friendly with her? If she had moved down from London on a permanent basis would you feel more inclined to be mates with her? It's one thing if she's just not your cup of tea, but it sounds like you're being a bit prejudiced. I mean, she's not there all the time. If she was cold, rude and unwelcoming to the locals then surely you'd dislike her even more. Wouldn't you want to be friendly if you were in her shoes?

AgnesX · 22/11/2024 21:00

By the sounds of it they are trying to get to know people and are going about it in a different way than you're accustomed to.

The point is that they are making an effort. Do they come across as nice enough people? What about giving them a chance instead of doing the whole insiders/outsiders thing.

XmasMarkets · 22/11/2024 21:00

Bloody hell it's unfriendly in the countryside!

rainydays03 · 22/11/2024 20:57

But if they kept themselves to themselves and didn’t try and involve themselves in the local
community, you’d all be pissed off at that too right?

XmasMarkets · 22/11/2024 20:56

Suzuki76 · 22/11/2024 20:35

YANBU. I live relatively near Bruton in Somerset which attracts people like this because of The Newt, The Pig near Bath, Babington House etc. Same with Frome. Most of us just want to get on with working, shopping, seeing family and taking the kids to the park. I'm not prone to hosting village-wide cheese and wine parties!

So don't 🤷🏻‍♀️

XmasMarkets · 22/11/2024 20:55

Why don't you just be nice?