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Second-homer wanting to be part of the community

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IMustConfess · 22/11/2024 20:30

I live in a village on the coast in a semi-rural area. It's a place where people come to live for a relatively quiet life with great walks, fresh air and unspoiled beaches. Lots of artists and writers and gardeners.

Two years ago a couple from London bought the small detached property next door to me. It's a holiday home for them and their friends and family. They're in their 50s, clearly used to a busy lifestyle in London. Lots of talk of theatre and gigs and nice restaurants. They moved in and invited a few locals to dinner and said they wanted to get involved with whatever's going on. They clearly expected to be invited back to eat with everyone and were surprised when some didn't reciprocate. 'But we were told there was a great community here!' They went round knocking on lots of doors and introducing themselves and saying how much they wanted to be involved, but they're probably only here for 10 weeks of the year max. One of my neighbours was really pissed off by it. She said it was like they had an idea of country life they'd got from a TV drama.

When their families come down independently they knock on my door and introduce themselves and say how wonderful that we're all such good friends/ such a lovely community and seem to expect to be invited in and given tea and told what's on. If there's something happening they want me to take them along. They've clearly been told I'll be happy to include them.

This year the husband's been working away a lot and so the wife has been coming down on her own. She always messages me a day or two before she's due to arrive and announces she's coming and wants to know what's on in 'the community'. She messages me when she's arrived so I know she's arrived safely. 😱She expects to be included in anything I've got going on. I took her to my book group when she was down in the summer, and now she expects to be included and tries to get us to schedule our meet-ups for when she's here.

When I moved here I got to know people slowly and worked out who I got on with. My neighbours seem to think friendship comes on a plate and everyone loves them. We have friends who live next door to an AirBnB and say something similar: many of the people who rent the place want to talk to them as if they're friends and happy to spend half an hour telling them which coastal walk is most scenic or which local pub does the best beer. We live here: we're not tourist information or rent-a-mate.

Are we the unreasonable ones? What's going on with people that they think they can just waltz into a new area and everyone'll love them?

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krustykittens · 22/11/2024 23:11

We have neighbours like that. We’re the entertainment and it pissed me off no end to be patronised like that. We own a small holding and these people would turn up, sometimes with their friends, and show them around or just ask us questions about how we run the place. They were genuinely gobsmacked when I asked them to leave one day and to ask before coming up as they were interrupting my working day - they said they didn’t think we worked! I am an outsider here myself, I am happy to be sociable to anyone trying to make friends but myself and my home are not props for someone’s country experience.

reservoirdawg · 22/11/2024 23:11

Oo, she’s going round this the wrong way!
I’ve been split located since the spring and since I’ve become a second homer I’ve attended various local meetings, volunteered for three different events, visited and spent money in the village shop every weekend, laboured on the farm and increased the church congregation by 20% (and set up direct debit)
I have a busier social life here than where I am (slightly) most of the time.
No dinner parties though 🤨

NosnowontheScottishhills · 22/11/2024 23:11

IMustConfess · 22/11/2024 22:52

Can't speak for Frome but if you were to move here you'd be welcome, as I was in 2009 despite coming from London. Presumably, over time, you'd have some involvement in the community and get to know people by joining the gardening club or the WI or the bridge club (yes, there is one, I can't play) or going to badminton or am dram in the community hall or playing in the ceilidh band or doing teas at the over-60s warm space or helping maintain the wildlife bit of the recreation ground, or the dog poo patrol or beach clean-up brigade, or volunteering for the coastguard lookout or just going to the pub quiz every week and helping to keep the pub going. None of which my neighbours do, except perhaps the pub quiz a couple of times a year, because they're not here regularly.

I live in a friendly tiny village I rarely get involved in community activities because I can’t stand things like that the only thing I do is attend the summer fete.
I’ve made lots of friends just by being generally friendly to people I meet I really don’t think being a member of the WI (wince) or playing in the ceilidh band (the mere thought of it makes me want to run for the hills) is essential to be part of rural/village life.
IMO it’s got a trying slightly too hard to accepted feel about it, my village does organise occasional pop up pubs and quiz nights but apparently it’s mainly new(ish) comers who attend. Those born and bred here just get on with their lives.

Polyp0 · 22/11/2024 23:10

i do think there’s scope for saying at the next request ‘you know the thing about good neighbours is they do these things for each other. But I live here and you just holiday here so im sure if you think about ti you can see I feel like a free resource here asked to get gutters cleaned etc. If you buy a holiday house you need a plan for maintaining it and I’m afraid I have a life here, I’m not your plan.

Please do this and report back

YANBU!

oakleaffy · 22/11/2024 23:10

Alicecatto · 22/11/2024 23:01

It isn't really, though it is disturbing. There were golliwog dolls in the shops around here as recently as five years ago. It is pretty troubling. It is sometimes like living in an area untouched by time. Countryside is surely beautiful though.

It's noticeable how absolutely 'white' most Rural places are.

It would be probably be hard to be a person of Colour living in some of these places.

Some rural living Northerners {white} moved to a small town in Cornwall.

Oh boy, was that a mistake.

It was horrible.

They were so unhappy there - people were petty and vindictive to them because they were ''out of area''.

They'd had their honeymoon in Cornwall, and {mistakenly} assumed they could be happy there.

There was some pretty unpleasant bullying as well..{Won't go into that as too outing}

The couple moved back to the North and are so much happier.

duc748 · 22/11/2024 23:09

Suzuki76 · 22/11/2024 20:35

YANBU. I live relatively near Bruton in Somerset which attracts people like this because of The Newt, The Pig near Bath, Babington House etc. Same with Frome. Most of us just want to get on with working, shopping, seeing family and taking the kids to the park. I'm not prone to hosting village-wide cheese and wine parties!

I used to live near there, and I remember thinking Bruton seemed to have more private schools than pubs, riding through there!

dollybird · 22/11/2024 23:05

Deyjxh · 22/11/2024 22:21

Oh I intend to move to Frome, from London. I will live there; will I be welcome as an outsider?

Well, if you live within 6 miles of The Newt you can get cheaper membership than 'outsiders'. Can't just visit for the day anymore while on holiday. You have to buy a year's membership at £160 for a couple 😐

Alicecatto · 22/11/2024 23:05

LeticiaMorales · 22/11/2024 23:03

Oh my god, that's actually shocking, isn't it?
There's insular and intolerant (qv), but that's just so offensive.

It totally is offensive, and what is even more difficult is having to explain to people WHY it is offensive. They just didn't understand and thought I was weird.

LeticiaMorales · 22/11/2024 23:04

Well I hope none of the locals ever want a favour or have the temerity to knock on their door for something.

LeticiaMorales · 22/11/2024 23:03

Alicecatto · 22/11/2024 23:01

It isn't really, though it is disturbing. There were golliwog dolls in the shops around here as recently as five years ago. It is pretty troubling. It is sometimes like living in an area untouched by time. Countryside is surely beautiful though.

Oh my god, that's actually shocking, isn't it?
There's insular and intolerant (qv), but that's just so offensive.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 22/11/2024 23:03

@crackofdoom Genius!

LeticiaMorales · 22/11/2024 23:02

oakleaffy · 22/11/2024 23:01

They want their GUTTERS CLEARED......?

Only one thing for it..

😂😂

Alicecatto · 22/11/2024 23:01

LeticiaMorales · 22/11/2024 22:58

😂😂unbelievable!

It isn't really, though it is disturbing. There were golliwog dolls in the shops around here as recently as five years ago. It is pretty troubling. It is sometimes like living in an area untouched by time. Countryside is surely beautiful though.

oakleaffy · 22/11/2024 23:01

LeticiaMorales · 22/11/2024 22:59

Edward! They want their gutters cleaned. Shall we torture them?

They want their GUTTERS CLEARED......?

Only one thing for it..

Second-homer wanting to be part of the community
crackofdoom · 22/11/2024 23:01

Codlingmoths · 22/11/2024 22:20

Are there any functional community groups? That meet on Tuesdays? I’d think of something like the litter picking or the helping kids with their reading that happens during the week- women’s institute? And mention to her that everyone who’s anyone in this place does that. Bake sales…

i do think there’s scope for saying at the next request ‘you know the thing about good neighbours is they do these things for each other. But I live here and you just holiday here so im sure if you think about ti you can see I feel like a free resource here asked to get gutters cleaned etc. If you buy a holiday house you need a plan for maintaining it and I’m afraid I have a life here, I’m not your plan.

Every community group needs a treasurer, and nobody wants to do it. I'm sure if they've made enough to be able to buy a second home that they're good at managing money. It's a match made in heaven 😊

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 22/11/2024 23:01

LeticiaMorales · 22/11/2024 22:59

Edward! They want their gutters cleaned. Shall we torture them?

Torturing's too good for them, but don't worry they won't get far!

IMustConfess · 22/11/2024 23:00

Waterbaby41 · 22/11/2024 22:57

Frankly you sound like someone to be avoided at all costs. Please tell us all where you live - no-one would want to move anywhere near you.

Well then, you won't be getting your garden watered or your gutters cleaned. So there.

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LeticiaMorales · 22/11/2024 22:59

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 22/11/2024 22:58

What's going on, what's all this shouting we'll have no trouble here.

Edward! They want their gutters cleaned. Shall we torture them?

LeticiaMorales · 22/11/2024 22:58

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😂😂unbelievable!

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 22/11/2024 22:58

Jazzjazzjazz · 22/11/2024 22:53

🤣🤣🤣 we didn’t burn him!

What's going on, what's all this shouting we'll have no trouble here.

Alicecatto · 22/11/2024 22:58

Eh, I live outside a small village in Lincolnshire. The only reason people tolerated me is because my husband was born in the area. And even then, I don't get too involved in village stuff because I will be an outsider basically forever because I'm not from here. That's Ok. I am nice to people, make no assumptions, keep my mouth well shut, contribute money to the church and the charity walks, and have a couple friends here I clicked with. I know the shopkeepers in the larger market town. Otherwise I stay well out of it, because that's enough for me. I don't have time for the village gossip. People in the country are clannish, and folks with holiday homes don't get that. They soon learn.

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socialdilemmawhattodo · 22/11/2024 22:57

Yousay55 · 22/11/2024 22:30

My dad had a house in France, in a tiny hamlet and he could only go during school holidays. He became the closet friends to the neighbours there. They loved him and he loved them.
Unless these people are awful, I don’t see the harm in being neighbourly. Life is too short.

I owned a flat in Italy for over 10 years. Had great hopes of eventually moving there permanently, but sadly divorce got in the way. Our neighbours were so lovely and kind. But yes, many focused on their families or work and didn't want to know. We were Strangers who turned up for 10-12 weeks a year. That was a lot for us as our normal lives and jobs were in the UK. We committed to the flat, committed to the lifestyle. But yes, we were just tourists, not locals. But we tried.

My DC went back this summer to some of the places we knew so well. They loved seeing it again, but so different to working there. I always thought they would learn the language and integrate. But special needs/ divorce got in the way.

Waterbaby41 · 22/11/2024 22:57

IMustConfess · 22/11/2024 21:04

There's a middle way that might involve starting gently, listening to the locals, offering something to the community rather than just expecting to be entertained and supported. In time you work out which people you really like and want to spend time with and the people best avoided at all costs.

Frankly you sound like someone to be avoided at all costs. Please tell us all where you live - no-one would want to move anywhere near you.

SocksAndTheCity · 22/11/2024 22:56

Lentilweaver · 22/11/2024 22:47

Amazing that people think Londoners aren't friendly.

Isn't it?

I wish I could be bothered to post a link to this thread on all the others whining on about how they once went to London for two hours and everybody gave them filthy looks, shut doors in their faces and then stabbed them and kicked them down the escalator at Oxford Circus tube.

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