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To want a way to label the reasonable fear of the variety of Islam that wishes to impose Sharia law?

492 replies

Oodiks · 22/11/2024 19:40

I understand that there are different sects within Islam and that while some pose no concerns, others do. I am horrified at the type of Sharia law imposed in Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan, which denies women human rights, but it's hard to talk about those reasonable fears without being labelled Islamophobic. It's not unreasonable to fear a religion that imposes such harsh lives on women.

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1WanderingWomble · 23/11/2024 17:06

quantumbutterfly · 23/11/2024 16:13

tbf womble, I'm more familiar than most with my bible and (according to gospels) that Jesus had his limits) but I'm also familiar with some posting styles.

I've appreciated your contributions to this thread and am watching 'the history of religions' recommended by pp with interest.

Thanks quantumbutterfly

I must watch that too. Not sure if I recognise posting style or not but there seems to be some wilful misunderstanding going on! Or I'm just extremely confused.

1WanderingWomble · 23/11/2024 17:01

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 23/11/2024 16:53

The cultural differences between US and U.K. are very subtle compared to say cultural differences between US/U.K. and UAE.

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Or they're three very much culturally distinct places. We do have more in common with the US, but levels of/style of religiosity are a big point of difference. Then again the Bible belt is almost a different country than, say, California - but overall I would say that's true. You would have to have huge cultural change here to even get people interested. But we are living in turbulent times, who knows!

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 23/11/2024 16:59

Boomer55 · 23/11/2024 16:58

The CofE has, since the 16th century, always have had a certain impact with politics, but nothing that much nowadays.

Sharia law doesn’t affect any non Muslims. 🤷‍♀️

Yeah, the OP is terrified that one day, it will be the law of the land. 🙄

Oodiks · 23/11/2024 16:59

SerendipityJane · 23/11/2024 16:02

Ah, so we can ignore the old testament when we talk about "the Bible" ?

E2A: Weirdly I don't class myself as religious. But I know my Bible ....

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Isn’t that kind of the point of the New Testament? Jesus brings a new message to the people?

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Boomer55 · 23/11/2024 16:58

username8348 · 23/11/2024 16:49

The Church are in the House of Lords, they're already interfering in government.

The CofE has, since the 16th century, always have had a certain impact with politics, but nothing that much nowadays.

Sharia law doesn’t affect any non Muslims. 🤷‍♀️

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 23/11/2024 16:58

SerendipityJane · 23/11/2024 16:55

The all have "United" in their names !!!!!

Do I win a prize ?

(I really need to get out more. But it's cold and far too "bracing" 😬)

Yes, you win a prize 🏆
Horrible dark, wet and windy day today.

SerendipityJane · 23/11/2024 16:55

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 23/11/2024 16:53

The cultural differences between US and U.K. are very subtle compared to say cultural differences between US/U.K. and UAE.

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The all have "United" in their names !!!!!

Do I win a prize ?

(I really need to get out more. But it's cold and far too "bracing" 😬)

SerendipityJane · 23/11/2024 16:53

1WanderingWomble · 23/11/2024 16:51

You see, I think that's seriously underestimating the cultural differences between the US and the UK.

You see, I think that's seriously underestimating the cultural differences between some parts of the US and some parts of the UK.

May be a better way of stating it ?

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 23/11/2024 16:53

1WanderingWomble · 23/11/2024 16:51

You see, I think that's seriously underestimating the cultural differences between the US and the UK.

The cultural differences between US and U.K. are very subtle compared to say cultural differences between US/U.K. and UAE.

SerendipityJane · 23/11/2024 16:52

username8348 · 23/11/2024 16:49

The Church are in the House of Lords, they're already interfering in government.

Ssshhhhh !!!!! You are supposed to pretend the UK is really a secular country. Don't spoil it.

1WanderingWomble · 23/11/2024 16:51

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 23/11/2024 16:46

I think it is odd to be afraid of Islamic extremists imposing Sharia law when the likelihood is infinitesimal instead of being afraid of Christian extremists rolling back women’s’ rights, or aiding genocides against other religious faiths.

We can see the damage the religious right is doing in the United States. That is more likely to happen here than Sharia law.

You see, I think that's seriously underestimating the cultural differences between the US and the UK.

SerendipityJane · 23/11/2024 16:51

Tabitabtab · 23/11/2024 16:41

But to me if sharia law is so bad, why are so many men and women converting to islam?

Well if they have come from a Christian background, maybe they want to pick and chose the nice bits ? After all, there is a precedent.

username8348 · 23/11/2024 16:49

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 23/11/2024 16:46

I think it is odd to be afraid of Islamic extremists imposing Sharia law when the likelihood is infinitesimal instead of being afraid of Christian extremists rolling back women’s’ rights, or aiding genocides against other religious faiths.

We can see the damage the religious right is doing in the United States. That is more likely to happen here than Sharia law.

The Church are in the House of Lords, they're already interfering in government.

suburburban · 23/11/2024 16:48

Tabitabtab · 23/11/2024 16:41

But to me if sharia law is so bad, why are so many men and women converting to islam?

Perhaps they want to be part of something

I don't understand it at all

1WanderingWomble · 23/11/2024 16:48

Tabitabtab · 23/11/2024 16:41

But to me if sharia law is so bad, why are so many men and women converting to islam?

I'm sure not all of it is bad. But people don't always do their research into the less salubrious bits, and some may like the way it's more prescriptive and strict. A bit like how you get people who follow restrictive diets because it makes them feel more 'pure' in some way (you even get terminology like 'clean eating').

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 23/11/2024 16:46

SerendipityJane · 23/11/2024 16:40

Why is it odd ? The vast majority of the UK - despite what some people with bad agendas may want us to believe - is culturally Christian. Myself included. We just can't help it.

I think it is odd to be afraid of Islamic extremists imposing Sharia law when the likelihood is infinitesimal instead of being afraid of Christian extremists rolling back women’s’ rights, or aiding genocides against other religious faiths.

We can see the damage the religious right is doing in the United States. That is more likely to happen here than Sharia law.

username8348 · 23/11/2024 16:44

Tabitabtab · 23/11/2024 16:41

But to me if sharia law is so bad, why are so many men and women converting to islam?

Is that in the UK or worldwide?

Tabitabtab · 23/11/2024 16:41

But to me if sharia law is so bad, why are so many men and women converting to islam?

SerendipityJane · 23/11/2024 16:40

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 23/11/2024 16:32

“Funny - a thread about Islam is degenerating into the hypocrisies of the Christian faiths. Almost as if the vast majority of the UK is culturarally more at home with it”

Yes it has gone to that and is a bit odd. I suppose the lesson here is that Christianity is no better than Islam and it is a bit silly to think religion causes extremism when imho, extremists are opportunists and will use whatever tools are present in their culture. If they live in a Christian country- they will use Christianity to further their agenda. If they live in a Muslim country- they will use Islam to further their agenda. If they live in a Jewish country- they will use Judaism to further their agenda.

Why is it odd ? The vast majority of the UK - despite what some people with bad agendas may want us to believe - is culturally Christian. Myself included. We just can't help it.

1WanderingWomble · 23/11/2024 16:33

SerendipityJane · 23/11/2024 16:29

Fair enough. The Old Testament (or Torah) is obviously still a big part of scripture for some Christians.

Ok. You know best 😄👍

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 23/11/2024 16:32

“Funny - a thread about Islam is degenerating into the hypocrisies of the Christian faiths. Almost as if the vast majority of the UK is culturarally more at home with it”

Yes it has gone to that and is a bit odd. I suppose the lesson here is that Christianity is no better than Islam and it is a bit silly to think religion causes extremism when imho, extremists are opportunists and will use whatever tools are present in their culture. If they live in a Christian country- they will use Christianity to further their agenda. If they live in a Muslim country- they will use Islam to further their agenda. If they live in a Jewish country- they will use Judaism to further their agenda.

suburburban · 23/11/2024 16:30

People were very superstitious and I'm sure you've read/seen the crucible, more about power and land

SerendipityJane · 23/11/2024 16:30

suburburban · 23/11/2024 16:28

I mean the 10 commandments in Exodus

So we're back to picking and choosing now.

Is it my turn ?

SerendipityJane · 23/11/2024 16:29

Fair enough. The Old Testament (or Torah) is obviously still a big part of scripture for some Christians.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 23/11/2024 16:29

Huffalumps · 23/11/2024 16:23

Ok good. This won't be deleted then: I am extremely unhappy with the change of values and customs that have come with legal immigration in recent decades. This has transformed and is transforming certain areas of the country (in talking provincial towns and cities) and not in a good way. It's impacted housing availability especially at the lower end of the market and crowded out NHS facilities and crime. All of my family and near friends agree with this and would support hard immigration restrictions on people coming from Muslim countries. Brexit only seems to have accelerated this trend as the UK looks more globally to fill jobs rather than taking those culturally more similar people on the doorstep.

Sorry to offend. Not sorry.

Well it’s not like the U.K. and other traditionally Christian countries & cultures are paragons of virtue. Definitely have their fair share of empires, genocides, slavery, terrorism, oppression of women, extremist views….compared to other countries and cultures of different religions.