To want a way to label the reasonable fear of the variety of Islam that wishes to impose Sharia law?

And yet here you are on a thread that contains bullshit tropes about Muslims. Can you not see the parallels?

If i went on a march and there was 1 person next to me holding a placard supporting a proscribed terrorist group, I would start to consider what kind of march I was partaking in.

Apparently that isn't a thing in the UK. I made exactly the same point during the Brexit referendum as people were queuing up behind fascists to cast their vote for Leave and was told that there is a magic sorting hat* that can tell "good" votes from "bad" votes.

However those shit for brains aside, I do agree than people should pay attention to who they stand with. But that returns us neatly to the main thrust of the OP about a wariness of what can hide inside a monolithic concept like "Islam".

*The actual concept was "but 'they' will know ...."

Looks likely. Check out the bibliography https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahwism#CITEREFSommer2009

I've been very clear that people who support atrocities and any form of extremism are wrong. I've clearly said that people have a right to feel safe and the rise in incidents against both communities is wrong.

It's for the police to deal with anyone who has committed a crime.

Why are you trying to minimise the extremism shown at these marches? Why can’t you just come out and say ‘yes this extremism is wrong, and I agree that the march organisers should be making it clear that the extremists aren’t welcome?’

Yes it's concerning that incidents against both communities have risen. Even though anti Muslim violence was so strongly exhibited during the riots, that doesn't mean that banners and slogans are acceptable.

I completely understand your concern, we've all witnessed a population dehumanised and brought to the brink of starvation while bombs reign down on them.

Words are very powerful and a strong part of indoctrination and propaganda. Calling people vermin and animals has an effect.

Even though the banners and slogans are not repeated by the vast majority and the protests have been largely peaceful, that doesn't mean that any form of extremism is acceptable.

That's so bad. I really feel for people in this position. I don't think it should be happening to you and others but feel there's no process to change it.

We Jews know all to well that violent massacres against us always begin with words. With anti-Semitic slogans and images and chants against us. Violence is almost always the end stage. That is why we are so deeply deeply concerned and what we are seeing unfold in front of us.

and I’m referring only to large scale violence. Individual violent attacks against Jews have significantly increased since October 7th last year.

Whilst I don’t support their choice of the colours of the flag , suggesting that this is in any way comparable to the open chants of supports for the Houthis, the Khaybar chants, the placards showing the Star of David being thrown into the bin and chants shouting support for a October 7th is a great misjustice.

like I said above, I am not calling for the marches to be banned. I am not calling for people to stop showing support for ordinary Palestinians caught up in the violence or demanding a ceasefire. I am calling into question why hundreds of thousands of people are happy to March alongside these extremists, why march organisers aren’t explicitly telling these extremists that they aren’t welcome, and why the police aren’t doing more to prosecute those who chant these awful things. Jews are once again, being failed.

@IHateTheM25

That is unbelievable

Why shouldn't you wear a Star of David

It seems ok for the protesters to be anti semitic or in all honesty openly racist against Jews almost like a Nazi in Germany.

Why are the police so weak

I didn't call you a liar and those placards are clearly unacceptable and should be banned. What I can't stand is bloody hypocrisy.

Certain Western governments are responsible for the current regime in Iran.

If the protesters were trying to burn people alive, burning bins, looting and throwing bricks at the police, I'm sure they'd be shut down.

Anyone who supports atrocities has something very wrong with them. If it was up to me we'd lock them up and throw away the key.

You have no idea.

I'm Jewish, a British Jew. I accidently turned a corner near Westminster a few weeks ago and found myself in the middle of a protest. I was meeting a Canadian friend who had booked a tour of the Houses of Parliament. I was wearing a small Star of David, which I always wear.

Someone yelled out "look a Jew girl" an I was suddenly surrounded by people demanding to know if I was a zionist, which just means should the single Jewish country in the world exist. I was terrified and 'rescued' by two police officers who escorted me towards Whitehall and then told me off. Because apparently I shouldn't be wearing a Star of David as it's provocative.

Calling for the destruction of the state of Israel and murder of Jews is ok but me wearing a small pendant is provocative.

Do you have any comments on the videos and photos they’ve shared of extremists from the march? Are you still going to accuse me of lying about these people being a part of the march?

Oh that's fine then, I hope I don't see them posting how appalled they are when they see people waving placards or wearing tops that say 'Netanyahu is a wanted war criminal' in the colours of the Israeli flag.

See my comment about the left marching alongside Islamic extremists. And my above comments about how the march organisers should be explicitly telling extremists that they aren’t welcome at the marches, which I have not seen them do (although please do correct me if you have seen examples where they have made this clear).

Yes I did. One picture i noted was of Police dealing with a lady wearing a poppy and swastika on her t shirt. She was a white lady with no obvious Islamic attire so not sure why up thread someone implied Muslims were marching with swastikas. Looked like an isolated event. Of course you'll get few nutters and wrong uns in any mass gathering.

It is disgusting and I think most of the people naively defending it or accusing people of racism etc for being against it are just completely ignorant. Look at what happened in Iran. Leftists supported the Islamists and now the population is terrorised by the regime and can't fight it because they have no freedom.

Look how fast the far right protests were shut down. OK, so have the same energy for these protests and this ideology.

If they were saying ‘Palestinians are terrorists’, you may have a point. That aside, have you taken a look at any of the photos or videos they’ve posted from the rallies? Do you have any comments on them?

Partisan about … anti-semitism? No, I should hope not. I would hope being against anti-senitism is a non-partisan cause.

but putting aside the views of the account owners, are you denying the photos and videos that they have posted from the Palestine rallies? Do you think they’ve all been photoshopped or edited or something? They’re clearly showing photos and videos of people supporting terrorists, and holding anti-Semitic placards.

why are you so intent on defending the extremists? Surely you should be shunning them too, and saying these people aren’t welcome in the pro-Palestine movement. Why arent you doing that?

Why are they producing merch that says Hamas are terrorists in the colours of the Palestinian flag? Such hypocrites would be crying anti-semitism if a similar thing was said about Netanyahu or the Israeli government in the colours of the Israeli flag.

Yeah because the account doesn't seem very partisan at all does it (sarcasm)

We allow immigrants into the UK from many countries that have dubious laws and views. Some of which have awful amounts of discrimination and VAWAG. Many don't respect human rights.

If there is unrest, it's probably down to a number of factors and I'm afraid that democracy means that anyone can form a political party.

@Huffalumps

This is what I was getting at. Posters are so keen to slate Christianity and how awful we are yet our country's law and order has its foundation in Christianity

Isn't it better than Sharia.

https://www.instagram.com/antisemitism?igsh=aTh5dTNnMmZvcWRx. This page has documented the many examples of terror support and anti-Semitic placards at the Palestine marches. I suggest you start to educate yourself.

Again, stop trying to gaslight Jews into thinking that we are imagining these genocidal chants against us.