To want a way to label the reasonable fear of the variety of Islam that wishes to impose Sharia law?

That was sarcasm incidentally, (which the authorities of low wit tell me is the lowest, though I would argue that it ranks above dad jokes and slapstick, but taste is a subjective thing.)

They see themselves as defending Christianity and preserving Western culture.

Yeah, they were Christians.

Maybe it some sort of resistance, I've heard that's a justifiable thing in some quarters.

Yes of course, the January 6 insurrectionists identify with Christianity, it's part of their ethos. The recent anti Muslim rioters were 'defending' British culture which is Christian.

Christian riots... ???? Really?

It's not Christian fundamentalists that are the problem but the far right. They tend to identify as Christians.

Yep. The riots and attacks on Jewish and Muslims in the U.K. are very concerning.

Do you know many?

I feel the same about all religions. About the Christians who want strict Christian rule for example.

.....all those Christian fundamentalists causing a headache to the security services.......

Thanks, I do recall this. It’s very apt.

Editing- I agree with you.

Posters can’t take the worst of the countries that are majority Muslim and then compare that to the best of the countries that are majority Christian to argue that all or even most Muslim countries are terrible compared to all or even most Christian countries.

That is called cherry picking. You are right to say it is an issue with most religions that women are second class humans.

What positive things has Christianity done for women?

Magdalene laundries, restricting divorce rights, restricting reproductive rights, having a philosophy that wife is to obey her husband like husband obeys God. The commandment to be fruitful and multiply, women’s natural place is pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen. That men are responsible for the morality of their wives and daughters and may chastise (beat) them still legal in some Christian countries. The exhortation to modesty and preserving virginity for marriage. The blame for rape being on women and their dick teasing ways… that women accused of a witchcraft were almost always women who chose to live and earn independently- ie widows who refused to remarry. Child marriage of girls in western Christian countries so long as the parents agree.

Anyone remember this? ....

Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as the final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God.
The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist,'" says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man, "The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.
Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy (Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, #1)

Just an amusing little aside on the nature of 'mans' relationship to god.

She makes a lot of sense. It's interesting how people interchangeably argue that culture and religion are so separate but in the next breath admit that they shape each other. Ignorance is merely a lack of knowledge, but having knowledge and using it are worlds apart.

It was disturbing to see support for a caliphate in the UK, but unsurprising considering the drip feed of anti-western rhetoric that's been prevalent for at least the last 30 years.

On other threads you get asked 'isn't everybody a nationalist?' the answer is patently 'no', given how much some people say they despise the culture of the nation state they live in.

Aayan's analysis of the tension between cross border tribalism and the stability of a nation state explains what we see happening in many places.

I didn't say it was comparable to the Taliban, my point was about the treatment of women in the Abrahamic faiths. After all, ultra orthodox Jews segregate the sexes.

Do you understand the difference between religion and culture? Do you understand how some regime interpret their religious texts to suit their agenda? Do you know anything about Islam, except what the media portraits?
Your posts tell me you don't. In fairness, you are not the only one on this thread who are happy to expose their ignorance and lack of critical thinking, regarding Islam.
In this day and age, to remain ignorant is a choice.

this exists in a very tiny part of Israel and is condemned by most in government. The difference with Afghanistan and Iran etc is that it is the government themselves issuing laws and their police forces beating women who don’t comply. The vast majority of Israel has women on billboards, in Parliament and leading units in the army.

With Egged, they stopped their women ban on adverts after they were threatened with fines by the government. It’s hardly comparable to the Taliban.

I think you’ve @ the wrong person?
I didn’t say anything about Afghanistan.

@southpawsofthenorth how do you view practises in Afghanistan v the U.K.?

I believe the issue began as small and gradually expanded:

"Eventually, the guidelines on modesty spread to some segments of the non-Orthodox world, especially businesses and organizations with Orthodox clients.

From 2004 to 2012, Israel’s largest transportation company, Egged, stopped running advertisements with women’s photos in Jerusalem after the ads were repeatedly defaced. In 2017, the furniture manufacturer Ikea created an alternative Israeli catalog without a single photo of a woman. Both Egged and Ikea backtracked after public pressure.

But against the urging of women’s rights and human rights organizations, many non-Orthodox businesses, banks, cellphone companies, health maintenance organizations and even government agencies continue to show only men in their advertising, at least in some locations."
https://religionnews.com/2023/07/21/appealing-to-orthodox-jews-israeli-media-remove-women-from-view/

Islam doesn’t attract more extremists than any other religion.

As for Gaza - well maybe the situation they are in is the problem?

The erasure of women from adverts is in a tiny specific part of Jerusalem run by the most extreme Hasidic sect. It is constantly condemned by the Israeli government and rest of Israeli society. Although even in this extreme community, women still work, go to school and are very much allowed to talk in public and laugh.

in the rest of Israel, women wear the same clothes as in the West. I walked down the road in Tel Aviv by the beach in only a bikini, and nobody batted an eye.

All Abrahamic religions are misogynist. I believe in Israel due to 'modesty' women have been largely erased from advertising and magazines. Orthodox men even tried to get women to sit at the back of the bus, which was deemed illegal.

The major faiths all have sects that wear head coverings and require modest dress.

You're referring to Afghanistan as though it's somehow representative of all of Islam. Most people are aware that Afghanistan is not how the majority of Muslims choose to interpret their faith.

The Taliban are an authoritarian regime who have reduced women's lives to an open prison.