To want a way to label the reasonable fear of the variety of Islam that wishes to impose Sharia law?

What does that have to with my post though?
Are you absolutely sure you’re not thinking of someone else? That post of mind you quoted was my first post on this thread.

A - maybe the best - way to counter extremism, is to educate yourself. And others if they are amenable. If you do that, you are able to see through the smokescreen of "religion" and start to see the disconnect with the reality.

A trivial example is the notion that a niqab is somehow required as part of Islam. It isn't never has been. And anyone who tries to claim it is is really pushing a specific custom from a specific culture.

You can do the same with Christian nonsense too. Nowhere in any of the Bibles does it instruct Christians to wear a cross. It may be a lovely piece of jewellery. It may be really special to you. But your religion doesn't say you have to wear it.

If you are ever unsure or curious, ask. Ask as many people as you can.

The OP post is very valid.
The Christian equivalent is called fundamentalist evangelical, and is indeed on the rise in the US. I don’t want that either, but I am able to discuss it without bring called a racist cristianphobic bigot. I know that it is Not All Christians.

In the thread title OP is trying to shout Not All Muslims. There’s still a sizeable chunk of the global muslim population who has a very problematic attitude to women and their rights as individuals - indeed even as humans. And this is putting it politely.

That there are nutso Christian sects too (and even the Catholic Church) is a fact, but their power in many parts of the world has waned. The parts where it is on the rise again, women are rather worried! Poland, I’m looking at you.

Anyway let's wait for the court case and see how it's reported.

Agree with that, although I do find the attempt to paint the perpetrator from Southport as a Christian extremist and terrorist quite wild.

I don’t mean to offend anyone but a poster has been repeatedly challenging the thread to give examples of Christian extremist violence that are not “old insults and historical events”

I don’t know how to respond to that without using a recent example.

As it is most terror attacks are politically motivated, it is only when a Muslim is doing it that racists blame their religion and not the geopolitics that are at the root of the violence.

btw you know the Salvation Army don't actually carry guns right?

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/oct/30/reality-check-southport-attack-not-declared-terrorist-incident

extract from the article above
Having initially said the stabbings were “not currently being treated as terror-related”, Merseyside police on Tuesday charged Rudakubana with possessing a study of al-Qaida’s training manual and producing a biological weapon, ricin. The Southport attack has not been declared a terrorist incident, however.......

Another important element is that Rudakubana has not been charged with possessing a terror training manual. Rather, the pdf allegedly found on his computer was more akin to an academic study, titled “Military Studies in the Jihad Against the Tyrants: The Al-Qaeda Training Manual”.....
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Jihad? Not a particularly christian concept. Perhaps he couldn't find what he needed in christianity and looked elsewhere, I believe the term is revert.

Anyway let's wait for the court case and see how it's reported.

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here. If it's " evidence "of a Christian extremist committing mass murder and terrorism in the " name of Jesus ", you're very wrong and just desperate to find an appropriate example to back your beliefs. The court case is still ongoing, and as of yet, there is no evidence presented that this were his motivation NOR that he was a jihadist. A deeply inappropriate and offensive post, especially for the families still going through the trauma of losing their loved ones. Perhaps take a step back and think before you post.

same old insults about historical Christian crimes.

The last extremist terror attack on British soil that resulted in the murder of people by a deeply religious person was the Southport stabbings on 29 July 2024. The perpetrator was a young Christian British teenager from a conservative Christian family with the traditional mother at home set up, and the young man had been a choir boy. The family was described as “deeply involved in the church.”

Most reports/wiki erase his religion and make mention of him having a pdf study on Al Qaeda on his computer to hint that he was a Muslim jihadist when he was a born, baptised and dyed in the wool conservative Christian.

You ok there hun? That was my first interaction with you and I haven't mentioned Christianity or western culture in a single post let alone in a negative light.
Your hate is showing.

So OP, I think the phrase is fear of Islamist extremism. It's subjective depending where you live like any issue.
Most people come across one or two who take their faith very seriously, if they separate or are ostracised from any balancing dialogue they can be more easily used as tools by activists.

It's not really all that historical though is it? Ireland is still living with the trauma of what Christianity did to the country. There aren't many people here who haven't been affected in a negative way or who dont know someone who has been affected negativity. It's only in the past few decades when Ireland has pretty much ditched any influence from the church that the country has started to thrive and become a great place to live.

I can't think of anything positive Christianity did here for women. It was an absolute scourge on the country.

Those who were toxic, I cut out of my life. Yes. They had 'opinions' that were not compatible with my life. Those that wish "eternal damnation" on others for living a different life style to them have no place in my life. It would be the same for anyone who held opinions that I find dangerous and toxic, what ever their religion or belief (or lack there of)

So you don't actually know any, because those whose views you didn't like you ghosted and no longer know how they feel.

Without a hint of recognition that it stems from the same "Middle East" as Islam and Judaism. Jesus was a Semite.

An awful lot of "Christianity" is based in the historical culture of Palestine. And the bits that aren't were tacked on from Roman pagan traditions.

29 days to Christmas, buy the way.

Well, those I have known that were extreme Christian I have cut out of life as I don't want anything to do with their brand of toxicity.

I don't know any extremist Muslims either. Or any other religion. Doesn't mean they don't exist.

Yes, I did ask in good faith despite your negativity towards western culture and Christianity. I assume you are a Muslim Mumsnetter which is why I asked the question, but you can't come up with a proper answer othrr than repeating the same old insults about historical Christian crimes.
You can't come up with any positive things about Islam's treatment of women so you have finally answered my question. Hooray!!!

Still wondering where 'western' countries end and 'non western' countries begin. It's not democracy that's the common theme because there are 'non western' democracies. It's not culture. What is it that 'western' countries have that defines them as 'western'?

I know there's a tendency on mn for posters to call people 'thick' but this seems to be missing that many western countries do have Christianity as their foundation

So, no then.

You have to be a bit thick to think that Christianity - a mystery religious sect from the Middle East - is somehow "western" ...

Have you ever been to central London and left a tube station being told you're going to hell for any number of things?

Just look at how Trump is planning to use Christianity in the US.

The 'Christians' that still abuse women at family planning centres?

Perhaps because it is obvious you didn't ask In good faith and you have a clear prejudice. You ended your post with waiting for the usual suspects bla bla so not exactly inviting a cordial discussion.
If you were genuinely interested you could have asked the muslim mumsnetters how they think their faith impacts them in a positive way but I don't know if they will want to interact with someone who holds so much open negativity towards Islam.

Not the wrong person, I'm interested given your posts how you view countries with differing religious foundations

Do you think they are equitable in terms of rights for women and girls for example?