To want a way to label the reasonable fear of the variety of Islam that wishes to impose Sharia law?

This is Stacey Dooley's visit back to her home town in Luton.

I think this demonstrates that there is something to fear from fundamentalist Islam in the UK.

I fear it. It really depends where you live, but if you live in an area that has a large and growing population of people who believe in a fundamentalist form of Islam then I think this represents a danger to some women in that area who are seen in a negative way and can be subject to insults and intimidation particularly from young men and women who have been taught they are trash, as seen in this video where Stacey is insulted and intimidated by individuals.

Your spiritual journey is and should be irrelevant to the law of the land.

Sharia law should have nothing to do with the law in a secular country, neither should the ten commandments or the golden plates of Joseph Smith!

It bothers me that religions enforce rules like headscarves, burqas, etc. Don't fucking tell me what to do. See also women not allowed to become priests and the misogynistic Bible stuff. None of this is divine law handed down from a booming voice in the clouds, it's all just stuff some bloke made up. That's all it is.

I dislike and fearful of the unfeminist elements of it. I hate to see women fully covered. I despair for women living in extreme regimes.

It genuinely could be by divine decree. I've been on my own spiritual journey for a few years and there are times I genuinely do believe the Islam may be the truth. I toy between Christianity and Islam.

What is it that you mean with your last sentence?

If even the majority of women in (whatever country) were to freely express that they wanted to be subject to restrictions by law and custom that their male peers are not, it does not follow that feminists should be in agreement. Feminism is not about women's choices, alone or for the majority. Feminism is about the social and legal liberation of women.

I'm an atheist.

Don't be so ridiculous

That’s got nothing to do with “law” though.
There’s a Sharia council a handful of minutes from me, if an Islamic couple want them to deal with their divorce that’s on them, it doesn’t infringe in my rights in any way.
Do I disagree with it? To an extent yes because I come from another part of the UK where women would also have to seek advice from the church and the church encouraged them to stay in shitty situations.
Ultimately people are free to take part in a religion of their choosing though whether or not any of us think it’s valid.

Sharia law is very much a thing in the UK. I’m a willwriter and several prospective clients have requested Sharia wills, whereby sons get twice as much inheritance as daughters.

ive always turned down the work as it goes against my ethics but plenty of firms will happily do them.

So made up then.

Islam isn't a race. HTH

this is also seen in hardline Christmas groups
Santanists?

Sharia Law is just God's law as to how humans and society should behave

I would add it's really important to be able to say what you do and don't like about some religions or cultures. It's also fine to be unhappy about the rapid social or cultural change that sometimes goes alongside mass immigration.

What (obviously) isn't fine is hostility towards individuals, sneering or disgust towards a particular group, calling for violence or discrimination and so on.

Much like being labelled antisemitic for criticising the Israeli government

I think climate change will increase the numbers of muslim migrants coming here and at some point the balance will tip towards a change of governance in the country in order to reflect the needs and wants of its citizens.

You’re right hazelnutvanillalatte Saudi Arabia was a place full of naice white people until they started letting Muslims in, now look at it.

Really? You don’t think there are any Sharia councils in the uk? Hint: There are.

Like someone said above though I’m way beyond anyone accusing me of any isms. I really don’t care. Op can ask a question and if you’re offended make sure your defence isn’t completely ignorant of facts.

They would justifiably call you Islamophobic for saying 'We'll end up under Sharia law if we keep letting in people from Muslim countries'.

History is Islamophobic then

I am horrified at the type of Sharia law imposed in Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan, which denies women human rights, but it's hard to talk about those reasonable fears without being labelled Islamophobic

Really? You’ve discussed being horrified at the regime in Iran and Saudi and people label it as Islamophobic? Somehow I doubt that.

There are some extremist Muslims in the UK who hide behind Islam to be homophobic, misogynistic and patriarchal limiting the rights of women, this is also seen in hardline Christmas groups and Hasidic Jews.

I think fearing sharia law will be placed on all UK citizens is crazy and unfounded though.

"'We'll end up under Sharia law if we keep letting in people from Muslim countries'."

I'm interested that you say this statement is Islamophobic, since it does haven some factual basis to it: polling has shown around 40% of British Muslims would like some form of Sharia law to apply in communities in the UK. Obviously that doesn't mean they want everyone living under Sharia law, but it does mean that if the number of British Muslims continues to grow, Sharia law in this country is a real possibility.

It’s not religion, it’s certain usually male leaders abusing religion as a tool to control a population. So your fear is of theocrats or of a theocracy.

Theocrats are akin to autocrats or dictators.

We do have Sharia law in the UK, I think we have 30 councils who mainly deal with financial and family matters.

They're not legally binding and can't do anything against UK law. Like any religious council, they're sexist and mainly run by men.

I don't want any religious councils in the UK and believe people should abide by Western values irrespective of their religion or culture.