To want a way to label the reasonable fear of the variety of Islam that wishes to impose Sharia law?

Contraception being largely still illegal in Ireland because of religion until into the 90s certainly didn’t feel freeing.

Often people feel free within a religion as they feel they’ve chosen it, what isn’t freeing is when it’s forced upon others.

I agree. It’s not an Islamic issue. It’s the misuse of religion to oppress, dominate, control and harm others and all religions have a history of this, even Buddhism. Greed and money can do the same and are part of it. Christianity is currently being used in the USA to reduce women’s reproductive rights.

It is the misuse of religion that is the issue. Most, if not all, religions have kindness and tolerance at their core. My FIL is a preacher as a born again Christian and is the least tolerant and most judgmental and h
unempathic person I know.

The minute anyone mentions some of the threats related to islam, we are labelled islamophobic, which is absolutely ridiculous. There are definitely parts of all branches of islam which are oppressive and abusive, and it's naive to think otherwise. I'll also add that this is the case with most other religions too.

Totally agree

I've always found Christianity very freeing

the reformation in the UK and Europe did play a part

I genuinely don’t understand what point you are making. I live in one of the more deprived boroughs with 30% being Pakistani, 24% being non UK white and 15% being white British.
In what way are white people being forced out of schools or the community?
Thats not my lived experience at all.

https://www.thenationalnews.com/news/mena/2024/11/12/libyan-minister-seeks-mandatory-hijab-and-morality-police/

Let me add one for you, also the Houthis are a particular flavour of islamist nutcases. So add Yemen to your list too. Fucking fools shouting support for Yemen in the UK, they have no idea what it means for girls and women in Yemen

How do you feel about Sharia councils in the UK?

OP you might find a 2015 novel by Michel Houellebecq interesting, titled Submission it's set in France and depicts a future where Islam does take over. And that's sort of a good thing?!

Out of interest do you all feel the same way about the Beth Din?

I never once said I would ban abortion. And pointed that out on the thread more than once. But some people really struggle to understand nuanced positions.

There are Jewish people living in Muslim countries.

I don't think the left leans towards Islam unless you mean support for Palestinians or support for marginalised communities.

As you know, it's not part of Judaism to proselytise so Jewish people don't seek to convert others or force their faith on others.

From a psychological perspective this is very interesting OP.

How do you square this circle of fighting anti-semitism on one side and starting posts about 'fear' of Islam on another.

And it's not just the men, not just the old men. It's the women too. A collective agreement that women like me should be squashed.
And I'm not Muslim. I was brought up a Sikh, and am now an atheist.
It depresses me some days, but mostly I'm just very angry

I am an Indian woman affected by this. I live in a predominantly Muslim area, try to just live my life. But, I am targeted by my neighbours. I have been the victim of harassment, for over a decade. Old harassing neighbours move out, new people move in and continue it. I have discovered there are a few families who lead the harassment against me but try to keep hidden. My next door neighbours were outside discussing with a Muslim man about the problem being that I "don't follow the culture and act like English people". This justifies their targeting of me apparently.

I'm just here living my life, single parent with hobbies and two large dogs - which they absolutely hate, and is now the main aim for them after all other avenues failed. They have reported me for dog noise, my dogs are very well trained, all their needs are met, they are not reactive, and very quiet considering they are working line German shepherds. I know their noise complaint will fail, I'm sure they know it too. So now they have begun trying to hit my car, and run me over.
So while many Muslims will say they don't want shariah law in the UK, there is definite harassment of women like me which goes mostly unnoticed. What makes it worse for me, is that I am stubborn, and fight back, strong, independent and confident.

I think something like 75% of British Jews and atheists - and to answer a PP, Judaism does not recruit. Many do however believe that converts were always Jewish their whole lives and are closer to God.

I’m pointing out the hypocrisy of someone who thinks Sharia law is coming to the U.K. (I dont think that and you are right in that Sharia law is terrifying and discussions should not be shut down) and in the same breath would ban abortion. Two cheeks of the same woman hating arse IMO.

(Yes is the answer you your question, sorry OP, it just fucked me off)

We already have a word don’t we…extremism. And it doesn’t just apply to Sharia law implementers but religious extremists of any religion

What are you so afraid of Annabelle, they have the same woman hating views you seem to

What further evidence is needed to convince people that all religions are man made.

Religion is the absolute root of all evil no matter which god or book it’s based on. When scripture or verse is interpreted in such a degree that it impacts the freedoms of women, girls and non believers then you have to question the malignant intent behind it- again regardless of which god or gods is alleged to have commanded.

Mankind has fought wars, divided nations and broken families and lives because of these omnipotent ‘almighty’ beings- utter insanity.

Where in London is 70% Muslim? I'm in Tower Hamlets and it's about 40%.

I guess the issue is with most other huge waves of immigration it has been largely from Christian countries so the ‘settling in’ has been a lot easier.
the issue we are facing now is that we are several generations down the line with Muslim practicing immigrants (I’m not saying all before anyone jumps on me) who’s families live completely seperately to any form of British values, they don’t speak the language, they hate our culture etc and I just cannot see how we can integrate now. The schools local to my DN are all over 90% English as a foreign language pupils. These are children that were born here yet don’t speak the language, this wouldn’t have happened with other faith backgrounds it just wouldn’t.