To want a way to label the reasonable fear of the variety of Islam that wishes to impose Sharia law?

This OP.
Fear and dislike of discriminatory, violent and natural rights suppressing regimes is nothing but common sense. If anyone gets offended and resort to calling names, well that is old now. They have worn those words by just casually throwing them around. They are meaningless these days.

But, it is not the religion, Islam, what you fear. It is a political take on it, islamism and islamists. Opposed to Islam and muslims.

The mingling of religion with politics has occurred all throughout history, including our christian nations in Europe. Separation between politics and religion works much better. Islamists do want to use Islam to push their agenda forward.
Now, most religions have the principle of all humans being equal, not killing others, charity and social fairness, amongst others, as core principles. Anything that claims the contrary is pushed by people who do not believe in God, but only in the power and money they get out of this. They will never recognise this, of course. They will dress the most modestly and pray the more. But they do not believe, at all.

Absolutely. Some appear to be unable to understand that.
I taught RE for 20 years in a multicultural school. Whilst I am not an expert on religions, I am informed enough to know that they have more in common than people think. The Golden Rule, being one of them, for example.
I think it is also very important to educate oneself on what is Sharia law , what it means and how it is interpreted and implemented in different countries.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/beliefs/sharia_1.shtml

‘So much harm has been done by Christianity over the years. In the U.K. it’s evolved but you don’t have to go far back in history to see the harm done.’

Yes, those harms like suppressing concubinage and polygamy, and saying that marriage is a sacrament between one man and one woman, both consenting adults outside dangerous degrees of consanguinity. As for all that promotion of literacy, well, who needs to read and write when you can do chanting? Visiting the sick, giving alms to the poor, establishing hospitals and free schools, campaigning (successfully) against child labour and the slave trade, it’s all just so pernicious and, well, outright ‘harmful’.

‘What did the Romans do for us? ‘

People are happy to give up their Saturdays to carry pictures of Swatstika and shout antisemitic genocidal chants through London. Maybe the same can protest about Iraq lowering the age of consent to 9

Exactly. Loads of white people (and non white) took to the streets in anti racism demos as a counter protest to the racist violence in Southport. Having a job didn't stop them. Ive been on many anti racist protests myself, going all the way back to the 1980s outside the South African embassy.

The 'UK go to Hell' Muslim protest though, tumbleweed from the wider Muslims community. Why aren't they on the streets 'not in my name' countering this ?

I’m surprised Christianity always gets a free pass in these discussions given that the Catholic Church STILL hasn’t taken accountability for all the child rape and the Magdalene laundries. These are recent phenomena that continue to destroy lives. They DO murder but in a less direct way. It’s only been 30 years 155 unmarked grave sod women were found in Ireland and the church shrugged and went “meh”

🎅?

Seriously?
Lots of them attempt to intimidate women who are accessing the healthcare they're entitled to, in the UK.

Islamophobia is the same as transphobia these days, just a way to shut down debate around issues that affect women

In my area recently there was a protest outside the home of a Muslim family who kept a puppy in the back garden 24/7 with nothing but a small wooden kennel and wet blankets. Dog shit everywhere. Never allowed in the house
RSPCA wouldn't do anything so a peaceful protest happened.

I was there from start to finish (when thw police seized the dog)

Next day there were multiple people saying it was islamaphobic, that people were chanting racist things, that the family were physically attacked and that the only reason so many people were there is because they hate Muslims 🤔

Non of that happened.

It was an animal welfare issue.

The same happens whenever anyone tries to discuss the parking outside mosque, it's suddenly about islamophobia and people wouldn't complain if it was a Christian church 🤔

Of course they would because it's about the cars on narrow roads not the ethnicity of thw people driving!

It just seems to me that tou can't make any justified criticism of Muslims now without being called racist

Again your view is very narrow, are you suggesting it is a wide spread issue of people are being intimidated by Islam in the UK and there are no similar issues with Christianity?

Christians were behaving so atrociously to women outside abortion and sexual health clinics that their demonstrations had to be made illegal, and that was only last year.

Same sex marriage only became legal in NI in 2020, before then gay people did not have the same rights in the UK as straight people and were outwardly intimidated in the name of Christianity for their “lifestyle”.

And here we go. The closing down and shutting up your debate OP begins. Anyone apparently who references Islam in any way other than a positive one is a Farage supporter. Such a tedious and lazy argument.

@Kendodd Why aren't ordinary Muslims up in arms about demos like this and things like death threats to teachers. Why aren't they out on the streets having none of it?

People have jobs and lives to hold down. How often do they need to protest in order for it to be counted?
There were numerous counter protests in the wake of the violence that sprung off the back of Southport tragedy.
Walthamstow in particular had a large one, as did other areas in and outside London.

So you are concerned that a bunch of Muslims will become powerful enough to establish shariah law in Trump's America? I think that's a rather irrational fear as it is close to impossible.

'Center women as connected...'
Oh dear god
What bollocks

Yes to some extent

However no one is being intimidated by Christianity nowadays in the UK (hopefully) in the same way

It’s exactly the same point though, Christian’s in the UK attempt to impose their own personal religious beliefs on policy and the day to day lives of others. The Muslims who want sharia law are doing it from the exact same perspective, one is just a more socially accepted religion in the uk though.

Either way the UK is a secular country and religious beliefs should be dictate law or the freedoms of others.

What I would like to know are where are the counter demonstrations?

That’s a good point, but I guess the non extremist Muslims are frightened of repercussions and their families being targeted.

Also the same sex marriage and abortions are quite difficult issues for some Christians

@Completelyjo

I meant from a personal point of view

I watched some of the hate filled 'British Police, go to Hell' 'UK got to Hell' demo Stacey Dooley covered. What I would like to know are where are the counter demonstrations? Why aren't the non extremist Muslims out on the streets 'not in my name' outnumbering them? These people are allowed to be the mouth piece of Islam and are dragging its name through the dirt. They do a lot more damage to the image of Islam than some cartoons do. Why aren't ordinary Muslims up in arms about demos like this and things like death threats to teachers. Why aren't they out on the streets having none of it?

Northern Ireland which was under Westminster rule and had the same laws influenced by Christianity.

Your view of the UK is pretty narrow, it’s not just ireland or Catholicism. Protestant Christianity has pushed some
of the strongest political agendas such as banning abortion, holding down same sex marriage legislation and repeated attempts to suppress evolution in museums in NI.

Yes and i totally agree it has done harm but that's usually when it is used in government to control people and populations

People were ill educated and superstitious and life was short

Which of the gods, and what human interpretation, are you referring to exactly?

In Ireland that's Catholicism and it was entwined in government and tbh it's quite controlling so I take your point

In UK we have had C of E and Protestantism after reformation which has influenced faith.

So much harm has been done by Christianity over the years. In the U.K. it’s evolved but you don’t have to go far back in history to see the harm done.

There are dangers in all religions in terms of misuse of power. Islam in those counties is being misused to subjugate women.