To want a way to label the reasonable fear of the variety of Islam that wishes to impose Sharia law?

AV63 I will try, for the last time.....

Oh if only.

Meanwhile back to the topic,,,,,,

Really, you shouldn't have to search around for it, until you eventually find a pocket of tolerance surely?

I will try, for the last time. to explain what a rebuttal in a debate is.
Here it goes: When two people debate, one of them makes an argument, and the other follows with a rebuttal, which, plainly put, is the "no, you're wrong and this is why" argument.
All you have done is copy and paste my points and written the word assumption, next to it.
Two points I would also like to rebute:
Firstly, you really should read the Bible to educate yourself on how Jesus was inclusive.
https://www.openbible.info/topics/inclusion
Secondly, the idiom I used comes from the 17th century. It relates to the practice of tarring sheep to claim ownership of said sheep. If you tarred them all the same way, no one would know who they belonged to.
I also think you confused this idiom with " tarred and feathered". Two different things,
Finally, when I read the bit, to my black husband, where you accused me indirectly of being racist, he looked at me and laughed.
I am looking forward to your rebuttal of my points.

Our Lord, ChatGPT, decrees:

The relationship between Catholic saints and local pagan deities has been a subject of scholarly investigation. One notable work is Peter Brown's The Cult of the Saints: Its Rise and Function in Latin Christianity (1981), which examines the development of saint veneration in early Christianity. Brown discusses how the cult of saints may have absorbed certain elements from pre-existing pagan practices, though he cautions against directly equating saints with pagan gods.
Wikipedia

Additionally, Bernadette Filotas's Pagan Survivals, Superstitions and Popular Cultures in Early Medieval Pastoral Literature (2005) explores how early medieval Christian literature addressed lingering pagan customs, including the adaptation of pagan figures into Christian contexts.
Wikipedia

These studies suggest that while there was some integration of pagan elements into Christian practices, the transformation of pagan gods into Catholic saints was not a straightforward process.

I didn't see a book mentioned but if you have any recommendations, I'm all ears (or eyes in this case!)

Well someone has to use this thread to plug a book, surely ? 😀

Perhaps you aren't looking?

Yes, the Abrahamic religions grew out of proto-Judaic polytheism and certain parts were lifted lock, stock and barrel from other polytheistic religions albeit rewritten slightly to make several gods/goddesses into one god changing his mind.

A good example is the myth of Noah’s ark. The original story involved one god wanting to destroy humans with a flood, but another god and goddess sabotaged the plan by warning & convincing Noah to build an ark and making the flood waters recede.

Christianity with its 3 in 1 God (Father, Son and Holy Ghost) is not as monotheistic as Islam and Judaism.

What an interesting interpretation.

I understand how Christianity was spread by missionaries equating peoples local gods with Christian saints to help "make sense" of it all.

I don't think you understand the concept of saints if you think it's somehow polytheistic.

Wait they grew out of polytheism?

Where do all those Catholic Saints come from ?

Apart from women attending clinics that are targeted by pro-life protestors. Also, it very much depends on the church. I know of one in London that is a branch of Christianity but is essentially a cult and its main aim seems to be making as much money from the congregation as possible. It’s been pretty oppressive and abusive towards some of its members. I expect the survivors of sexual abuse perpetrated and covered up the church would also beg to differ.

Religion isn’t the issue. It’s what some narcissists and abusers with power use it for that’s the problem.

They both can't be right. So at least one is definitely false.

Reminds of of Mark Knopflers lyric

"Two men say they're Jesus, one of them must be wrong ...."

😀

Because the artists involved did indeed say it was inspired by/parodying the Last Supper, before their comments were scrubbed from social media.

I could only find this link just now (because it's essentially been buried as a story) but here you go:
https://www.rvasia.org/asian-news/drag-queens-admit-paris-olympic-games-performance-parody-last-supper

Quite a lot of revision and backtracking went on around then, it's interesting to look back at now.

It didn’t justify it
HTH.

Wait they grew out of polytheism?

They both can't be right. So at least one is definitely false. Given how much of the mythology they share that would mean one is definitely false and the other at best, mostly false.

Abrahamic religions didn't spring out of nothing, they grew out of the polytheistic beliefs that preceded them.

Yes so this man has charted the start of Christianity which is the one thing I’m showing you here but it shows how it begins from all the different aspects ancient Israelites etc but he also on his YouTube if you look cause there’s so many different charts he also did it with the different branches of Judaism and the different branches of Islam and basically each time there is a connection at the top between all three branches

The phrase, as I understand it, is "people of the book". Which instructs Muslims to respect Christians and Jews and allow then to pay a tax rather than attend prayers.

History fans will of course remember the absolute glory that was Islamic Andalusia before it was bought into the modern age by Christian charity. (That is extremely heavy sarcasm, by the way.)

It is worth noting that whilst a great majority of people following a religion are generally pleased to find someone who asks questions to learn, the closer you get to the fundamentalists, the less this is true. Precisely because you start to realise they are full of utter shite about the religion they claim to espouse.

judaism is the oldest, islam and christianity are offshoots of it.

Religion needs to be private practice only with no influence on education, health or politics.

Well quite. Let me know when it happens.

Never? Can Salman Rushdie get rid of his security then?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatwas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_papal_bulls

Obviously wiki isn't a flawless source.

I said there are areas where I don't go - my choice, my perception.

No idea about Daily Mail - not my thing, but thanks for the snide inference.

I'm fully aware the Stacey Dooley documentary is old, but the census data shows the change in demographics with relation to religion - I don't think this issue has gone away.