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What do I do about this person/AIBU?

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nikkivezza · 22/11/2024 19:13

So, met a woman through work 18 months ago, ish. Maybe a bit longer.
She quickly latched onto me and proclaimed me as her her best friend. Used to call me every day and spend 2/3 hours a day chatting. Sometimes more.
I didn't have anything better to do at the time, and she needed a friend, she's had a terrible couple of years by all accounts, so went with it. I always found her overbearing and overly familiar, but hey-ho, some people just are.

I lost my daughter last year, to a 42 week stillbirth. Immediately after I lost her, I sent a message to all of my friends, explaining what had happened, and that I needed to disappear for a while to process and deal with losing her, and also to help my other children through the ordeal. This woman did not allow me that. Despite saying I couldn't talk, she would message me multiple times a day, call me every day, and when I wouldn't answer, she would message me, instructing me to call her. And when I didn't answer her, she would message my husband and other coworkers to see how I was.

I went back to work in February and had no choice but to see her, and even though I was still reeling from losing my baby, and moving in with in laws and dealing with FIL dementia diagnosis, I resumed contact with her. She would call me daily and expect 2/3 hours conversation.

I have since moved out of in laws house, and become pregnant again, and my mental health has taken a massive nose dive. I'm off work sick and have retreated from everyone. I am really, really struggling, but this person will not leave me alone. Calling and messaging almost daily.

I have messaged and said I am unable to make conversation with people at the minute, due to being in a really bad place, and have since essentially ghosted her by now not even opening her messages or answering her calls... I do feel terrible but I don't have the energy or headspace for anyone, not just her. My focus is on trying to survive this pregnancy, and hope that this baby lives, and trying to support my family, who are also struggling with the loss of their sister. I am not the same person I was this time last year.

I saw her today. She stopped her car in the middle of the road and yelled at me until I went over. I told her I was not good and wouldn't be going back to work for the foreseeable and her paring words, as I hurried off were "call me"

I think, maybe if she gave me the space I asked for and didn't constantly call/message, I would be able to resume contact with her eventually. Knowing that she was in work, crying about how hard it was for her to not speak to me, after I lost my daughter and now, apparently, incessantly talking about me in work to my co-workers, I'm not sure whether I should feel guilty or whether she is in the wrong.

Could I have some perspective please.
Please be gentle.

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Bangwam1 · 23/11/2024 11:48

Think of it this way. This woman is feeding off you, like a vampire. You have no time for vampires. She will have multiple sources of feeding supply. You can try asking her again but I’d just block personally.

Bangwam1 · 23/11/2024 11:45

You are pregnant now, you have a child to protect so learn how to put boundaries in with people now.

This woman has stalker vibes. It’s not normal to ignore someone who tells you they need space or require three hours of attention every day. Her sob stories were another red flag, she is a victim.

Honestly, learn boundaries now (as you’re doing) don’t feel bad either, this is the beginning of your life.

I wish you well, prenatal depression is hell. It ends ok? From what you have said, ask for help, especially with your history. Don’t do it alone. 💖

Anotherworrier · 23/11/2024 11:29

nikkivezza · 22/11/2024 20:27

Thanks all. I kind of knew this, but I feel really guilty. It's not like I haven't asked for space, but I've always been a bit of a wet wipe when it comes to doing things that might hurt other people's feelings. And I really do feel bad.

I haven't said to anyone at work how bad she's been, I haven't really mentioned her, I don't want it getting back to her that I've been bitching about her...gaggle of women working together....you know what's it's like!
I've just heard that she's always talking about me.

Trouble is, I forgot to say in the post. Her grandchildren go to school with my youngest two, I can't escape her at the school. It was there, this afternoon, that she collared me in her car.
She's arranged to pick her grandkids up every Friday, knowing that's the only day I actually go to the school any more for assembly. Which I haven't missed in the whole time my kids have been at school.

Her grandchildren were called out of assembly early and she obviously hung around for the 15/20 minutes or so afterwards until I walked out of the school, to be able to talk to me. It's making me not want to go to assembly. I hate confrontation at the best of times, but I really don't have the headspace for it at the minute.

Can you say straight to her face… ‘You’re being a bit much. I’ve asked for space and I need you to respect that. I’ll contact you when I’m ready’.

If she doesn’t, block her.

FictionalCharacter · 23/11/2024 11:22

You say you don’t like hurting people’s feelings so you feel guilty. But she doesn’t feel guilty about using you like this. And the thing to remember about people like this is that they’re not hurt when you don’t let them do this, they’re angry that you won’t do what they want. It’s clear from your OP that she commands you to be available for her to talk at, orders you to call her rather than suggesting, even summons you to go over when she’s in her car. There’s no “we” in your OP, it’s all her telling you what to do.Try to remember that. You don’t owe her anything.

You’re also worried about what other people will think if you drop her. Please don’t be. If someone says “Doris is so upset that you won’t talk to her, she just cares about you, how could you be so mean?” - tell them the truth. She was demanding you call her at her convenience so that she could talk at you for hours. She yelled at you. And when you were bereaved she was insensitive, putting her own desire to talk above your need to heal. People will understand, I promise.

She honestly sounds obsessed. What she’s doing isn’t friendship. You will benefit from cutting her off entirely, not thinking about letting her back in when you feel better. She won’t change, so do as PPs have suggested, message her to say you can no longer deal with her constant demands and insensitivity, and block her. It will be a weight off your shoulders.

I know it’s hard but as PPs have said she is clearly thick skinned as well as selfish, so
you’ll need to be more direct than you normally would be if she approaches you. Don’t obey her command if she calls you over. Shake your head, say no. Don’t apologise. Tell her you don’t want to talk and say goodbye.

decemberknows · 23/11/2024 10:59

I'm so sorry for your loss. I would raise this with your line manager/HR in work as it's bordering on harassment

magicstar1 · 22/11/2024 22:41

You are not in any way unreasonable. My best friend had a life changing accident. She can’t leave her house much and it’s an effort to do anything. I’d love to ring her every day, but only do so about once a week as I know she also wants to speak to her family and just friends. I’m here any time she needs me and I’d do anything for her, including giving her space. That’s what friends do!

That woman is not your friend, and needs to back off. Block her or use do not disturb to restrict her contact with you.

Ketzele · 22/11/2024 22:22

We don't even need to form an opinion of her or whether she's being unreasonable - you have an absolute right to put yourself first at this time and if that means retreating from the social world then that is what must happen.

Your priorities must be your pregnancy, your children and yourself. Do what you need to do and let your (ex) friend get comfort and company from others.

Best of luck, OP.

Thevelvelletes · 22/11/2024 22:19

Block her.
Inform HR as she is hindering your progress in recovery.
This is harassment and if need be as a last resort inform the police.

Curtainqueen · 22/11/2024 22:12

AffIt · 22/11/2024 21:13

Jesus Christ, what?

The first time somebody called me at 4am - assuming it didn't involve blood, bullets or fire - would be the last.

Why haven't you told them in no uncertain terms to fuck off?!

I know. It’s preposterous. In fairness she isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed and lacks capacity. I don’t think even fuck off would sink in. I’ve been subtle. I’ve been direct. Now I’ve resorted to silencing her at night. Some people just shouldn’t be allowed phones.

CountessWindyBottom · 22/11/2024 22:02

I'm so sorry about your little girl @nikkivezza, how utterly heartbreaking. I can't imagine how anxious you are about this pregnancy and you absolutely need to prioritise your own mental health and wellbeing and focus on the time when you will be able to hold your little bundle in your arms.

I think you need to send a short and succinct text to this woman, block and then not give her another thought.

Dear CF, I have asked you repeatedly to respect my boundaries by ceasing contact. Your constant, unwanted contact is bordering on harassment. Your inability to respect my wishes demonstrates that you are not a true friend who cares about my wellbeing. I no longer want to be your friend and am now blocking you. Nikkivezza

It's as simple as that. If she decides to badmouth you and people want an explanation then you have evidence of exactly what happened.

Please put your own wellbeing first and rip this plaster off once and for all.

Fink · 22/11/2024 22:01

Block her. If you really want to maintain a relationship with her when you go back to work, write a message explaining why.

Ask your husband to block her from his phone if need be.

Tell the school that you need to not be in contact with this woman (you don't necessarily have to tell all the details, just that you are being harrassed and need support). They can help you decide what is the best plan to avoid her on and around school premises. You are genuinely being harrassed, whether you recognise it or not; you are entitled to help. They might be able to offer you a space to wait, or a staff member to check the coast is clear, or an escort off the premises, or an alternative exit that you don't know of. The caretaker at my dc's primary was excellent for this sort of thing (I had a stalker).

soloula · 22/11/2024 21:53

If you're coming out school alone, I'd stick headphones on, listen to music or don't, wave if you feel the need to acknowledge her but you don't owe her anything. Just keep walking. I'm a people pleaser and find situations like this so hard. My headphones have helped me avoid plenty of awkward convos.

MadnessIsMyMiddleName · 22/11/2024 21:50

Don't worry about when you go back to work OP, just go ahead and block her as you said you were going to do earlier. A hole lot can happen between now and when you go back to work, who knows, she could have decided to leave before then, and if not, and it proves to be a problem, you can deal with that when you're in a better head space than you are now. As I said earlier, just concentrate on looking after you and the baby you have inside you. That's quite enough for now, and please, please, don't feel guilty, she is the one who should be feeling guilty, not you.

Lindjam · 22/11/2024 21:44

Have you messaged and blocked?

You have two options here. Either you deal with any awkward fallout, or you continue to be her emotional crutch.

MumOfOneAllAlone · 22/11/2024 21:39

I feel sorry for her as she sounds unwell and unable to understand social boundaries. I would've told the girls at work as they would've told her tbh

Not your fault at all though! You can't sacrifice yourself for someone else. And I'm really sorry for what you went through, I'm wishing you the very best with your pregnancy ❤️

You've done absolutely the right thing x

nikkivezza · 22/11/2024 21:38

The Fridays are tricky because it's assembly day, I haven't missed a Friday assembly since my 18 year old was in school, my younger two expect me to be there-even if neither of them get any awards. And I'm happy to show up for them.

There isn't really another mum at school who is aware of the situation to act as a bouncer. Because my younger two are now year five and year six, they all walk home by themselves (small village) so all of us older parents are now redundant!

Only one exit out of the school and only one route back to my house, which she obviously knows. That's why she hung around today. Her grandchildren left halfway through the assembly, she had plenty of time to get back to the car and drive away with them before I came out, but evidently hung around, hoping to see me.

It is stalkerish and smothering but she's always so very nice in her messages. I know people are saying it's not hard to block her , but I can see how she's spinning it to other people and I don't want to look like an asshole "I was there for her when she needed me" and all that rubbish that she's taking into work.
And although, yes. I suppose she tried to be...in a way. It just wasn't wanted, or asked for, or encouraged. And was specifically asked to stop! Although no one in work knows my side of the story.

I am worried about going back to work. We work nights, and although we are on different units, there is no escaping her. And I reckon by the time I go back, the rest of my little team won't be there anymore. All the old gang are dropping like flies.

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stargazerlil · 22/11/2024 21:29

Have you sent a message to her yet? She sounds like a narcissist, no empathy, and the way she just keeps trying to bulldoze through your boundaries and taking your energy
if you haven’t sent it yet, I’d say keep it short and polite so she has no comeback.
Then block her and never unblock her she will eventually find a new source.

Lindjam · 22/11/2024 21:28

Please don’t feel guilty.

I would have blocked her after the first 3 hour convo!!

ButterCrackers · 22/11/2024 21:28

nikkivezza · 22/11/2024 20:27

Thanks all. I kind of knew this, but I feel really guilty. It's not like I haven't asked for space, but I've always been a bit of a wet wipe when it comes to doing things that might hurt other people's feelings. And I really do feel bad.

I haven't said to anyone at work how bad she's been, I haven't really mentioned her, I don't want it getting back to her that I've been bitching about her...gaggle of women working together....you know what's it's like!
I've just heard that she's always talking about me.

Trouble is, I forgot to say in the post. Her grandchildren go to school with my youngest two, I can't escape her at the school. It was there, this afternoon, that she collared me in her car.
She's arranged to pick her grandkids up every Friday, knowing that's the only day I actually go to the school any more for assembly. Which I haven't missed in the whole time my kids have been at school.

Her grandchildren were called out of assembly early and she obviously hung around for the 15/20 minutes or so afterwards until I walked out of the school, to be able to talk to me. It's making me not want to go to assembly. I hate confrontation at the best of times, but I really don't have the headspace for it at the minute.

Can you confide in another school parent who will stay with you until you are out of the school?

Rockmehardplace · 22/11/2024 21:26

I'm normally the one saying to be polite to people, but genuinely OP, send your message then block her. Speak to a friend at school and explain what is going on so they can be your 'bouncer' or take someone to assembly with you. You owe this woman nothing.

Step back, feel no guilt, and save all your emotional energy for your self and the new baby you are growing x

Gazelda · 22/11/2024 21:25

nikkivezza · 22/11/2024 21:08

And she's just messaged again, telling me how lovely it was to see me, and she's hear for me and to call her when I can because she's got lots to tell me.

Right. Wish me luck. I'm going to write out a message and block her.
Wish I didn't feel quite so guilty about it though.....

Thank you all.. xx

"Brenda, I need you to back off. Please.

I'm simply concentrating on keeping going at the moment. I don't have headspace for anything more and to be honest I'm feeling overwhelmed and suffocated by your need for contact.

I am being supported by those I'm closest to as well as the healthcare team involved with my pregnancy.

I understand you are showing you care. And I appreciate. But it has become too much. Please respect my boundaries.

Best wishes"

Suzuki76 · 22/11/2024 21:24

Listen, if this was a man who had got this attached and was demanding all of your time and energy like this you'd be thinking about calling the police. She's stalking you. I really would speak to a manager and ask them to tell her not to contact you while you are off sick. And block her, obviously.

The Fridays are more difficult. Is there an alternative exit? We have two.

teatoast8 · 22/11/2024 21:24

Block her!

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 22/11/2024 21:23

I'm so sorry, OP, you really don't need this at the moment.
As others have said, block her, and if she still works with you, ask your line manager or HR if they can have a quiet word with her to explain that you need peace and quiet and don't want to hear from her. No need to report her for misconduct or anything, just to get support from someone she might listen to who could explain that she's not helping you and, if necessary, tell her that she needs to stop harassing you if she starts again.

ButterCrackers · 22/11/2024 21:23

She’s unreasonable. Block her. When she asks you about this say that you are not taking her calls any more. When she asks why just say that you can’t cope with it. Ignore her apart from work duties. Perhaps let your manager know what has happened in case she turns nasty at work.

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