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To break with hair stylist over politics?

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momtoboys · 22/11/2024 17:21

Please try to be kind, because as silly as this sounds I am very upset about this situation.

I am currently in the US and I have been going to the same woman who does my hair for 25 years. Over the years we have become friends but do not really see each other socially (occasionally talk on the phone, text, cook a meal when someone sick). We seem to have made this unspoken agreement that we would not discuss politics both knowing we are on opposite ends of the spectrum in our beliefs. The US has recently had a presidential election and the person elected is a VERY polarizing character. This is the person my hairstylist supports.

I had my hair done last night and it appears that since the election results our silent pact not to discuss politics has expired. She really wanted to talk about how much better the country will be and how smart the president elect is. I asked her to stop and that I didn't think we should discuss it but she kept on and then I went at her both barrels. we played the "well, what about THIS" game for a while each trying to outwit the other to prove our point. We were able to pull ourselves out of a terrible spiral and the last 1/2 hour of the appointment was fine. I hugged her goodbye which I normally don't do and I realized that was because I think that may be the last time I see her. I don't think I can go back. I still enjoy her as a friend but her support for this megalomaniac makes me think less of her. If this is the end do I call her and tell her why or just cancel my next appointment and just move on?

OP posts:
SallyWD · 23/11/2024 15:07

scorpiogirly · 23/11/2024 13:59

You're being ridiculous in my view. Everyone is entitled to their own views and politics. It baffles me why people allow it to affect friendships and such.

I never understand this view. Your political views reflect your values and world view. If I knew someone thought Trump was brilliant or was a massive Tommy Robinson fan, I just wouldn't want to he their friend. Their views would turn me off and I simply wouldn't like them. Why is that so hard to understand?

ThinWomansBrain · 23/11/2024 14:18

Reminds me of a dentist many years ago that would fill my mouth with drills, etc & then wax lyrical about Margaret Thatcher.
I changed dentists.

scorpiogirly · 23/11/2024 13:59

You're being ridiculous in my view. Everyone is entitled to their own views and politics. It baffles me why people allow it to affect friendships and such.

Robinredd · 23/11/2024 13:50

Robinredd · 23/11/2024 13:39

Maybe that's true but if you support someone who is a racist misogynist then that tells me what your core values are. Its not the same if you switch it the other way round.

That was for @Errors

Robinredd · 23/11/2024 13:39

Maybe that's true but if you support someone who is a racist misogynist then that tells me what your core values are. Its not the same if you switch it the other way round.

Ohnobackagain · 23/11/2024 13:19

@momtoboys go to the next appointment. Steer clear of politics. If she insists on talking about it, there’s your answer.

SallyWD · 23/11/2024 13:03

Livelovebehappy · 23/11/2024 13:00

And maybe the circles you move in doesn't reflect the majority. I know people who were invested in the American election. But equally I know lots of people who really didn't give a toss.

You said most of the UK are indifferent but that's not my experience. Maybe the circles you move in don't reflect the majority. And yes, I do know people who couldn't care less, but they're not the majority.

SallyWD · 23/11/2024 13:02

If I knew my hairdresser was a Trump supporter but she kept quiet about it, then fine, I'd still go. However, if she wanted to discuss him/argue with me during my appointment, then I'd definitely stop going.
It's not about wanting to exist in an echo chamber. I'll happily debate politics and listen to others, if I'm in the right mood.
However, I'm a busy, working mum. My hair appointments are about the only time I have a bit of me time, a whole hour to sit back and relax. I really don't want to hear someone going on about Trump and his policies, which I find quite repugnant, during this time.

Livelovebehappy · 23/11/2024 13:00

SallyWD · 23/11/2024 12:40

I disagree. Everyone I know was very interested in the American elections and had quite strong opinions on the candidates. The day after the elections my colleagues spoke a lot about the result. I'd say the majority of Brits really dislike Trump but there are a large minority who love him.

And maybe the circles you move in doesn't reflect the majority. I know people who were invested in the American election. But equally I know lots of people who really didn't give a toss.

Livelovebehappy · 23/11/2024 12:58

SallyWD · 23/11/2024 12:40

I disagree. Everyone I know was very interested in the American elections and had quite strong opinions on the candidates. The day after the elections my colleagues spoke a lot about the result. I'd say the majority of Brits really dislike Trump but there are a large minority who love him.

Not necessarily who 'love him' but just think he's the better option. Considering the Democrats clung on to the mentally unstable Biden for too long, and had to rush in the unpopular Kamala Harris, then who could blame them? And Bidens current crusade trying to poke the bear (Russia) to satisfy his own agenda, seems the right decision was made. Imo.

OVienna · 23/11/2024 12:44

Sunnysundayicecream · 22/11/2024 17:50

I wouldn't go back. It doesn't matter what her political view is. However, she knew that you had a difference in opinions when it came to politics, but still decided to cross that boundary and talk about it with you.

I stopped going to my hairdresser because she kept going on about covid conspiracies.

I go to the hairdresser to relax, not to be grilled or lectured.

This.

SallyWD · 23/11/2024 12:40

Livelovebehappy · 23/11/2024 12:33

Not most of the UK at all. Most are indifferent to American politics, and those that are are pretty much split on their thoughts on the result. You're probably basing your assumption on the views of the majority on MN, who really aren't representative of the UK population. If they were, brexit would never have happened.

I disagree. Everyone I know was very interested in the American elections and had quite strong opinions on the candidates. The day after the elections my colleagues spoke a lot about the result. I'd say the majority of Brits really dislike Trump but there are a large minority who love him.

ThinWomansBrain · 23/11/2024 12:39

yes, but when someone is that close to your head with a sharp implement?

& bonkers enough to be fervent Trump supporter?
😂

Boomer55 · 23/11/2024 12:35

Hairdressers in England only ever want to talk about holidays….i guess we must be grateful for that lol 👍

I couldn’t care less what the politics views of my hairdresser involves.

Livelovebehappy · 23/11/2024 12:33

Spirallingdownwards · 23/11/2024 12:03

Not really most of the UK can't understand why the US would vote in a racist, misogynistic, rapist loon.

Not most of the UK at all. Most are indifferent to American politics, and those that are are pretty much split on their thoughts on the result. You're probably basing your assumption on the views of the majority on MN, who really aren't representative of the UK population. If they were, brexit would never have happened.

alittleprivacy · 23/11/2024 12:24

username8348 · 23/11/2024 01:13

I didn't say that they were all hat wearing racists. That's an assumption you made. I said that Trump won because a majority of voters voted for him. People who voted for Trump are responsible for his presidency.

I tend to treat people like adults and hold them responsible for their actions.

Maybe act like an adult yourself then and stop with the pathetically childish rethoric. Why they voted for Trump is the important part. There has been a huge walk away by former Democrats who voted for, or even campaigned for Trump. And they did that precisely because of the behaviour of the Democratic party. There has also been the surprising (to people who haven't actually spent much time with young people) fact that Gen Z, turned to Trump. And they are doing that because of the behaviour of the Democratic party. (Bear in mind that in unofficial 'polls' run in elementary schools, Gen Alpha kids were even more favourable towards Trump.)

If the Democratic party ever wants to win people back, or over in the first place, they need to understand why they are not attracting voters and change course. Otherwise you're looking at the next 12, maybe even 16 or 20, years of Republican presidencies. Vance is starting to poll even more favourably than Trump now, and the most likely woman, as it stands now, to be first female president of the US is Gabbard.

Robinredd · 23/11/2024 12:15

LauraNorda · 22/11/2024 17:41

Yeah, so? Enough American people must want the same because they voted for him.

I haven't dropped any of my friends who voted Labour, despite the hash they are making of it. I do rib them mercilessly but just in fun and most are regretting voting for them now.

You sound insufferable.

Spirallingdownwards · 23/11/2024 12:03

momtoboys · 22/11/2024 17:36

I don't know why I was being so vague! Of course you all know of the situation in this upside down country. Thanks for the thoughts. Seems as though Mumsnet is split just like the US!

Not really most of the UK can't understand why the US would vote in a racist, misogynistic, rapist loon.

Warmwoolytights · 23/11/2024 12:01

Livelovebehappy · 23/11/2024 08:02

No one will be doing anything if this escalates. Because the world will be gone. However unappealing it might be, countries are going to have to dance with the devil to get any sort of conclusion to this. I dont want my family sacrificed on the alter of this war between Russia and Ukraine. I doubt Russia want to take over any other country, and had Ukraine been in Nato, this wouldn't he happening.

‘A small country, far away’.

BoundaryGirl3939 · 23/11/2024 11:13

You foolishly took the bait engaged in the political debate with her. That was always going to end badly. Nobody wins those arguments. You should have just continued to change the subject. Asked her about anything else. That's what I do.

I don't talk politics with anyone. I'm not interested in it. It's so divisive.

It seems petty to change hairdressers because of such a non issue. Just keep conversation light, breezy next and ignore anything that triggers you. We all have to live and work alongside each other.

TofuTart · 23/11/2024 10:46

dollybird · 22/11/2024 17:48

I don't care what someone's political views are, as long as they don't keep banging on about it. If my hairdresser started doing this, I'd stop going there, as it's meant to be an enjoyable experience.

This
I was going to say yes YABU OP as just agree to disagree and say you don't want to talk politics, but if she doesn't care and still insists in banging on, I'd be disengaging and going elsewhere too.
I'd tell her (nicely) why though - but trouble with that is she could be that far gone ({seeing as she can't help spreading her message/truth even though you've basically told her to politely STFU) she'd probably see it as being "cancelled" and make her worse.
Find a hairdresser who doesn't wang on, a nice peaceful hair appointment will be better for your blood pressure. 😁

CoffeeAndPeanuts · 23/11/2024 10:38

jezlifecoach · 23/11/2024 01:12

Why is Trump a living nightmare? Is it because he might be the only person that Putin is willing to speak to to negotiate peace? Or is it the fact that under Trump there were no wars? Or is that Trump had a friendly meeting with the North Korean leader and wants to maintain that?

orrrr is it because Trump was the only person out of Obama, himself and Biden that supported gay marriage when it was a topic many years ago in the USA?

or is it because he knows the difference between a man and a woman?

or is it because he clearly is what American people want / need - hence why he won the election quite clearly?

I don’t know where this idea comes from that Trump supporters are in the minority when the results prove differently.

@jezlifecoach this thread is about her friend/hairdresser, not to discuss Trump. I am not getting into that on this thread.

It is actually completely irrelevant what the friends ravings were about, simply that it was something they both had very different views on & had come to an understanding they didn't discuss it.

Hoppinggreen · 23/11/2024 10:31

Irrespective of Political views Hairdressers should be a peaceful place where you enjoy going and feel comfortable.
If its not find a new one

Clearinguptheclutter · 23/11/2024 10:29

I sort of had a fallout with my hairdresser over brexit which is similarly polarizing in this country. We have since just agreed not to bring up politics and that’s fine.

RingoJuice · 23/11/2024 10:26

So subjective.

sometimes ‘racism’ to these kind of people is just ‘maybe we should cut immigration …