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Speckyfourfries · 22/11/2024 13:22

Planned a trip abroad next summer. Costing just under 1k each. My friend was very much up for this and helped choose dates and hotel etc. She couldn't afford to pay upfront so I have paid the full amount with the agreement she will pay me back a monthly amount, her first payment was due next week.
She has just text me to say she's really sorry but can't go now.
I would/will go alone but she's now thinking she doesn't have to pay me?
Aibu in still expecting the money?
I have no one else to go with but that's not the issue its the money, I've just looked and could get a partial refund for £460 for cancelling her share but should she still pay me what I've paid upfront for her ? Or do I get the partial refund and cut my losses :-(
I feel like such an idiot..

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BeensOnToost · 27/11/2024 17:23

Speckyfourfries · 22/11/2024 13:29

Sorry meant to say she thinks ill be able to get someone to replace her place and they can pay...

Just tell her you're not prepared to do that, she owes you the money and it's frankly ludicrous that she thinks you should put yourself out to find another person because it isn't you that has spent the money, nor do you want to holiday with some random if she finds someone.

You need to be really robust and clear now rhat she has spent the money and she owes you. You can set out her options, like you both cancel and she gets her money back, minus cancellation costs or she goes and pays. Her proposed options are not acceptable to you.

If she carries on pissing around, off to small claims court you shall go and she can risk owing legal fees on top.

LivinInYourBigGlassHouseWithAView · 27/11/2024 17:17

She needs to pay you everything you can't get back.

You have no obligation to travel with a stranger that she 'finds' to replace her.

If she doesn't sort this, she's not a friend.

KenAdams · 27/11/2024 16:27

Of course she needs to pay you but she won't. She didn't pay so had no commitment to this holiday. People like this are awful.

TwinklyAmberOrca · 27/11/2024 16:06

Of course she has to pay you!

If you're happy going on your own then ask her if she'd like you to go ahead and cancel her half where she can then get £480 back and can pay you the £520 over the same time period as previously agreed.

Mamabear487 · 27/11/2024 16:01

Absolutely she should have you what you’ll loose! I think that’s an awful thing for her to assume she doesn’t have to. Tell her the partial refund alone and she owes x amount

Havalona · 27/11/2024 15:58

She is not going on the holiday because she has realised she can't afford it.

I doubt you will get anything from her, so brace yourself for the end of a friendship.

That's the reality I'm afraid.

But who knows, maybe she will pay up. But I really think if she could pay you, she would go anyway.

Tink3rbell30 · 27/11/2024 15:48

Yes she needs to pay her half.

NeedToChangeName · 27/11/2024 15:35

I once had a holiday booked with friend A, but I was unable to travel due to family bereavement

Fortunately, friend B was keen to take my place. B paid something towards it, so B got a cheap holiday and I recouped some of my costs

I would never have expected A to be out of pocket

middleagedandinarage · 27/11/2024 15:30

Ace56 · 22/11/2024 14:21

Just respond as if it’s obvious she needs to pay you. ‘Oh what a shame you can’t come :( I’ve looked into it and can get £460 back luckily, so it’ll just be the other £460 that you owe me as it’s non-refundable.’

Yip, I would go with this op.
Of course she should pay!

recipientofraspberries · 27/11/2024 15:27

A PP phrased it correctly - she has borrowed money from you. She still owes it.

cantarguewithfools · 27/11/2024 15:23

My sympathies, OP! I absolutely despise people like this - they really only care about themselves.

I would hound her (and her immediate family and friends) for the money, and once you get it, block her.

The friendship is dead anyway as she has made clear she has no respect for you, so get the money off her out of principle and then kick her to the kerb.

WinterUnder · 22/11/2024 18:46

Yanbu, tell her now that you can't get anyone and she will have to pay. Tell her that there is no other way. I can't believe that she is dumping this on you to sort out.

BlueMum16 · 22/11/2024 18:18

Catza · 22/11/2024 13:30

So she can pay and if she finds someone, they can square it between them.
I would text her now and say that you can get £460 back, meaning her share is now XYZ. Would she still like to cancel or would she prefer to find someone else to go in her place.
Put it right back to her.

I'd do this.

Also is her reason for cancelling covered on any holiday insurance she may have?

rookiemere · 22/11/2024 18:16

Who does she think is going to go with you instead of her ?

MadnessIsMyMiddleName · 22/11/2024 17:30

I'm SO sorry that your so called 'friend' has proved to be flakey OP. I agree with everyone else, she SHOULD pay you back anything that you can't get refunded, and you SHOULDN'T feel obliged to try and get someone else to take her place, as the holiday was planned with her, and not someone else who will be a poor second choice. Such a shame that your generosity in allowing her to pay you in instalments has backfired, but most of us make the mistake of loaning someone, something at some point, only to find ourselves bitten in the arse for doing so, it's a hard lesson to learn, but in my old Mum's words 'Never a lender nor borrower be'.

Seashellssanctuary · 22/11/2024 17:23

Of course she should pay what you can't claim back.

Unfortunately you have no way of enforcing it and a loan to a friend so often ends up this way.

As they say you should never lend money that you can't afford to lose

Moremustard · 22/11/2024 17:18

Reneging on a deal/contract will always come at a cost. Even if it's just a deposit to lose. If you have agreed to book a holiday and need to cancel there is more at stake than just money. I've been there. Going on a package alone may result in an extra single supplement, having someone who would happily replace your original travel buddy may mean a discount for them is the chance for them to go and for a chance to recoup favour

LookItsMeAgain · 22/11/2024 16:57

I would have to send her a message saying the following (or something very similar):
"Hi Friend - regarding the holiday in 2025 - I am submitting a cancellation as I could use the money rather than the holiday right now. As there is a cost to cancellation, and as you can no longer go on the holiday, your costs will be £XXX (the cost of the cancellation) so that I'm no longer out any money. I wouldn't have paid up front for your ticket had I even the slighted inkling that you would back out of the trip and I don't want to go with anyone else at this point. If you cannot afford to pay me the full amount in one go, I will accept 2 payments of £XXX (whatever it is in half to make two payments). My bank account details can be provided so that you can do an EFT of the money.
I don't want us to fall out over this so as soon as you can, get the money transferred to me.
Talk to you soon - @Speckyfourfries "

EdgeofSeventy · 22/11/2024 16:54

I personally wouldn't leave the choice of replacing her, to her.
If you're sharing accommodation surely you want to at least know this person!
She owes you every penny you can't claim back.
In fact why doesn't she have insurance and what is her reason?

Karatema · 22/11/2024 16:36

Speckyfourfries · 22/11/2024 13:29

Sorry meant to say she thinks ill be able to get someone to replace her place and they can pay...

This is not your problem! She should be paying and IF you find someone to go then you can refund her.

Mummyoflittledragon · 22/11/2024 15:01

You can choose to take her to small claims court for the money, especially if you have texts confirming this is a loan. The friendship is over. Sadly this isn’t the first thread about non paying ‘friends’ deciding they no longer want to go on holiday and washing their hands of the sums of money spent on their say so.

HideousKinky · 22/11/2024 14:57

You must be very clear with her - you are unable to find someone else to take her place and therefore she must pay the balance after you have had as much as possible refunded

WaltzingWaters · 22/11/2024 14:46

Ace56 · 22/11/2024 14:21

Just respond as if it’s obvious she needs to pay you. ‘Oh what a shame you can’t come :( I’ve looked into it and can get £460 back luckily, so it’ll just be the other £460 that you owe me as it’s non-refundable.’

Perfect response.

TillyTrifle · 22/11/2024 14:36

Send @Ace56 response but unfortunately I very much doubt you will ever see a penny. If the friendship is over anyway, you could explore whether you have grounds for small claims (I have no idea) if you have messages or anything proving you lent her the money with the expectation of repayment.

Allthesharksgoout · 22/11/2024 14:34

She should pay but she probably won't. Ask her to make the payments as expected until one of you finds a replacement. Make a note of the last day you can get the partial refund at the current amount, and a week before ask her if she has found a replacement or wants to get the partial refund.

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