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SofandaCox · 22/11/2024 11:37

I meet up occasionally with my old baby group. Our babies are 3 now. We met up yesterday for lunch and there’s a few in the group that are firmly in the adult foods are separate to kids food camp and I find it so bizarre. They make really weird comments like “why would you give that to a child” “my child would never eat that” “I wouldn’t waste that on a child” etc. my child has a long list of allergies and I’ve had gastric surgery so can’t much so we usually share a meal. The offending meal? Calamari. Basically chicken nuggets but wish squid. They acted like I had just purchased my toddler a fillet mignon with champagne and lobster tail. Which, again, don’t see the issue if that’s what he wanted! Has anyone experienced this? And also just to be so rude as to sit there and actually make comments about it. I’ve had judgey thoughts about them feeding their 3 year old jarred baby food but I’ve kept that to myself. It’s making me not want to meet up with them anymore but it would be a shame for my son as he enjoys spending time with the others toddlers.

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Lemonadeand · 22/11/2024 14:40

GiveMeSpanakopita · 22/11/2024 14:32

Yeah, I mean I understand that some people think young children having a sophisticated palate is a class marker, or that it reflects particularly well on them as parents, and fine for people to have that little emotional boost if that's what they want. But as you say, children of all cultures will tend to gravitate towards simplicity of taste - French kids with their Nutella on toast, Indian kids with Bournvita milk & sugar, Japanese with Kakigori...of course you'll always get kids with adventurous taste buds but I'm not sure it proves anything much either way.

Yeah, I mean I understand that some people think young children having a sophisticated palate is a class marker

You have to scrape the barrel to find class markers with toddlers when they all eat bogeys, can’t wipe their own noses and struggle to pronounce synthetic phonemes 😂

eqpi4t2hbsnktd · 22/11/2024 14:40

unmemorableusername · 22/11/2024 11:39

It's a British cultural thing.

No it's not.

ThatTealViewer · 22/11/2024 14:39

momager1 · 22/11/2024 12:28

the tempura prawns, omg memories. My daughter loves all shrimp. She would buy the cooked shrimp rings with sauce and also from costco the tempura ones. My grandson hated shrimp, but those "tempura chicken tails" he loved. I have a video of him eating some and my daughter offering him a shrimp from her shrimp cocktail, him saying ewwwww no I don't like shrimp (with a tempura that he was happily munching on) and his sister (one year older saying "are you suuuuurrreee) one of my fav memories from when they were little. My grandaughter knew "chicken tails" were shrimp and she was told to not tell him lol.

This is a very cute story.

Lemonadeand · 22/11/2024 14:38

ThatTealViewer · 22/11/2024 14:31

I think the point is that, in much of the world, beige kids’ food simply wouldn’t be an option. They’d have to eat some form of ‘adult food’, as that’s all there’d be.

I’d never even come across either ‘kids’ food’ or ‘fussy eating’ as concepts before I moved to the U.K. When people from places where this isn’t ‘a thing’ say they don’t get it, it’s not a judgement (although I appreciate why it feels like one, particularly if you’re struggling or have struggled with a fussy eater). It’s often genuine bafflement.

The above also applies to pride and/or smugness about what or how ‘well’ your child eats. Why would that be a source of pride?!

Edited

Fussy eating is a normal developmental milestone for toddlers. It’s actually evolutionary, as it’s the age when small people had to learn that some berries/leaves etc are poisonous and you can’t just eat anything you find on a bush. They also have different taste buds to adults so some young children taste dark green vegetables as very bitter.

Our toddler went from eating everything (olives, chilli, fish etc) to suddenly much more selective. We still feed him child sized portions of normal adult food but he’s now very picky. So for example if it’s curry he’ll just eat the rice. If it’s sea bass, potatoes and broccoli he’ll just eat the potatoes. It’s probably even less balanced and nutritious than the “kids’ food” about which so many parents are so scathing, but I’m not going to make multiple meals.

Lolabear38 · 22/11/2024 14:35

MumblesParty · 22/11/2024 14:31

This.

All you parents whose kids will eat anything and everything - do you think the rest of us actively discouraged this in our kids? Do you think we like cooking different meals? Some kids are fussy, some aren’t.

DS1 was terribly fussy, and would rather starve than eat stuff he wasn’t keen on. If he forced himself to eat it he’d vomit. Now he’s 19 and he eats anything.

DS2 ate anything as a young child. Now he’s mid teens he’s become ridiculously fussy, and has a tiny repertoire of meals he’ll eat without a big drama.

I've got about 4 foodstuffs I don’t like. I’m incredibly unfussy. Did my absolute best with my kids diet, but ultimately they are who they are.

This whole thread is a stealth boast.

‘This whole thread is a stealth boast.’

💯💯💯💯💯💯

GiveMeSpanakopita · 22/11/2024 14:32

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 22/11/2024 14:11

As for it being a ‘British’ thing, an Italian told me that so many Italian kids virtually live on pasta and tomato sauce until they’re about 15.

Oh, and the kids of DD’s Italian friends (in Italy) habitually had Oreos for breakfast.

IMO there’s too much automatic slagging off of anything perceived as ‘British’ on MN.

Edited

Yeah, I mean I understand that some people think young children having a sophisticated palate is a class marker, or that it reflects particularly well on them as parents, and fine for people to have that little emotional boost if that's what they want. But as you say, children of all cultures will tend to gravitate towards simplicity of taste - French kids with their Nutella on toast, Indian kids with Bournvita milk & sugar, Japanese with Kakigori...of course you'll always get kids with adventurous taste buds but I'm not sure it proves anything much either way.

Saschka · 22/11/2024 14:32

Mine eats mostly what we eat - he isn’t that keen on highly spicy food so we tone it down for him with yoghurt, but he eats everything else we eat (except salad, strangely, but that isn’t a hill I need to die on). He tends to have half of my main course and a side of chips or veg, I have the other half and a salad.

Jarred baby food aged 3 sounds like potential SEN to me - the only three year old I know who would tolerate a pouch over chips is autistic with a very limited food repertoire.

ThatTealViewer · 22/11/2024 14:31

x2boys · 22/11/2024 12:02

Some kids will only eat beige food ,my son is 18 now and has just discovered a love for curries, and chilli etc, but wouldn't have entertained them when he was younger
Maybe people need to stop judging whst other people feed their kids and concentrate on their own kids ?

I think the point is that, in much of the world, beige kids’ food simply wouldn’t be an option. They’d have to eat some form of ‘adult food’, as that’s all there’d be.

I’d never even come across either ‘kids’ food’ or ‘fussy eating’ as concepts before I moved to the U.K. When people from places where this isn’t ‘a thing’ say they don’t get it, it’s not a judgement (although I appreciate why it feels like one, particularly if you’re struggling or have struggled with a fussy eater). It’s often genuine bafflement.

The above also applies to pride and/or smugness about what or how ‘well’ your child eats. Why would that be a source of pride?!

Lemonadeand · 22/11/2024 14:31

Who feeds a three year old jarred baby food?! Unless there’s some kind of developmental issue.

MumblesParty · 22/11/2024 14:31

TPJB · 22/11/2024 13:40

These smug mums posting about their gourmet kids eating everything are extremely irritating. I cooked from scratch for my kids whenever I could and tried to feed them the same diet as us but it doesn't always work out that way. Out of three children one eats everything, one is extremely fussy and one is somewhere in between.

This.

All you parents whose kids will eat anything and everything - do you think the rest of us actively discouraged this in our kids? Do you think we like cooking different meals? Some kids are fussy, some aren’t.

DS1 was terribly fussy, and would rather starve than eat stuff he wasn’t keen on. If he forced himself to eat it he’d vomit. Now he’s 19 and he eats anything.

DS2 ate anything as a young child. Now he’s mid teens he’s become ridiculously fussy, and has a tiny repertoire of meals he’ll eat without a big drama.

I've got about 4 foodstuffs I don’t like. I’m incredibly unfussy. Did my absolute best with my kids diet, but ultimately they are who they are.

This whole thread is a stealth boast.

DogInATent · 22/11/2024 14:30

C8H10N4O2 · 22/11/2024 13:55

I cared if it was a children's item or not - why would I pay for an adult sized portion which is too big for a young child?

It is a British thing IME to have a completely separate and usually lower quality menu for children instead of the option of half portions for children. I was even told at times "no you can't buy one adult portion and have two plates" and was pointed instead at the "chips and beans" menu for children.

This isn't about the virtue or otherwise of any particular style of eating - its the weirdness of restaurants offering a range of adult dishes and then only offering children a couple of chips and beans options.

It's also the weirdness of thinking/expecting that a small portion should cost less than an adult portion. Most of the cost to the restaurant is per-plate, regardless of how much is on it. But we expect a child's meal to be cheaper than an adult meal.

And this is how we end up with the concept of Hungry Horse as good value..

Lolabear38 · 22/11/2024 14:30

DogInATent · 22/11/2024 13:50

It's a British cultural thing, but it's not universal for every family in the UK. Many British families manage not to go down this route

Only in the UK will you find the "childrens' menu" of beige breaded items with chips alongside an adult menu when eating out. It normalises the concept. But we also have a lot of chain restaurants in the UK that infantilize adult eating out, and it's quite possible that these are linked phenomenon.

It’s really not ‘only in the UK’ you find this. It’s common in America (not surprising) but as an expat who’s lived in a number of different countries around the world I can confirm it’s also common in many countries.

HideousKinky · 22/11/2024 14:29

We brought our children up to eat whatever we were eating ourselves and this would lead to the scenario you describe whenever I was with my sister who had children of approximately the same age - she'd want to give them pizza every time and looked askance at me giving mine fish & rice & vegetables

JSB16 · 22/11/2024 14:28

I may have said something like my dd would never eat that but it wouldn’t be said with bad intentions, more i wish she would eat more varied foods.
My dd even from weaning has been fussy about foods in general she’s just never been overly interested in food, where as my son will eat anything both weaned the exact same. It’s not that she’ll only eat ‘beige’ food as she isn’t a big fan of a lot of them either, she just only likes certain things.
I wouldn’t feed a jar of baby food to a 3 year old (not a chance my dd would eat one either) but I also wouldn’t make a judgy comment about someone doing it. Trying to get food in to a child that isn’t overly interested in eating is hard and maybe that’s what they’ve found works for them.

RhubarbAndFlustered · 22/11/2024 14:26

My three kids love a good steak. Rather than chicken nuggets and chips when dining out, we would buy a steak and split it if the restaurant was okay with that. I mean, if they wouldn't give us an extra plate to split an expensive steak between 2 kids they got the nuggets though. Ain't no way I'm wasting steak money for bellies too small to eat them.

Lolabear38 · 22/11/2024 14:26

randomchap · 22/11/2024 12:22

Of course you understand it. You're just showing off that your child will eat calamari and more adult foods

Was the faux naivety needed?

Yes!! SO much of it on this thread too. Honestly the smug judginess of so many posters on this thread is a lot even by MN standards. Good for you that your children eat homemade sushi with raw fish (bit cringe you felt the need to brag about this btw), but honestly - calamari is just a different variation on a chicken nugget. Carry on using this thread as an exercise in showing off the food your kids eat that you think makes you a superior parent, you clearly need that validation. For the most part, everyone’s doing their best - whatever they choose to feed their children.

StandingSideBySide · 22/11/2024 14:17

I wonder if it’s a concept that’s grown from people using jars of baby food to feed their kids.

Sirzy · 22/11/2024 14:16

I do think some people get very over confident in the “oh my child eats everythjng” side of things too though and can come across as very judgmental.

when DS was 2 we went on holiday to Greece and he ate everything and anything offered he particularly loved the Moussaka and the different dips IIRC. By the time he was 6 he hardly ate anything. At 9 he was fitted with a feeding tube!

you can start out with the best of intentions but it doesn’t always work that way. For what it’s worth he is 15 now and I would love to see him eating nuggets and chips.

BarbaraHoward · 22/11/2024 14:14

Melania90 · 22/11/2024 14:12

All of those are perfectly normal foods. Kids in Greece will eat Moussaka, kids in Thailand will eat Thai noodle salads, kids in Italy will eat risotto… but British kids can’t, they can only eat chips and beans! Oh, and fish fingers. 🤣🤣🤣

I don't think there's many little kids eating from a variety of very different food cultures though. Nor a variety of very strong flavours.

Yes, of course, all MN children, obviously, but globally I'm guessing most eat a milder tasting version of their national cuisine.

Melania90 · 22/11/2024 14:12

VeggPatch · 22/11/2024 13:53

I also think the "when I was young you ate what you were given" crew are missing the huge variation in diet now that just wasn't there when I was growing up (80s). Most people ate some sort of meat and two veg meals, with the occasional pasta bake or really mild curry (bright yellow with raisins in!). Mince and onions was another one that we used to get loads and I don't think anyone eats now. A lot of it was bland, unthreatening food that today's "fussy eaters" will often eat.

I suspect that if the 70s and 80s had involved expectations that small children will get involved in sushi, Thai noodle salads, moussaka, risottos, curries, Korean hotpot at home and eat at restaurants with food from around the globe, we may have found there were more "fussy eaters" back then too. (And yes, yes I know that your little Tabitha simply loves sushi and often begs to go out for a spinach curry, she's evidently not a fussy eater and you know what? That is exclusively down to your good parenting, you superior being, you.)

Remember Indian restaurants that offered omelette and chips to the adult fussy eaters back then who couldn't bring themselves to try a curry? That's the equivalent of a children's menu - unobjectionable beige food to allow the fussy to eat alongside the grown-ups. Because at the end of the day, eating out is meant to be a pleasant experience, not a chore. If a children's menu facilitates that for some families, all power to the children's menu.

All of those are perfectly normal foods. Kids in Greece will eat Moussaka, kids in Thailand will eat Thai noodle salads, kids in Italy will eat risotto… but British kids can’t, they can only eat chips and beans! Oh, and fish fingers. 🤣🤣🤣

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 22/11/2024 14:11

As for it being a ‘British’ thing, an Italian told me that so many Italian kids virtually live on pasta and tomato sauce until they’re about 15.

Oh, and the kids of DD’s Italian friends (in Italy) habitually had Oreos for breakfast.

IMO there’s too much automatic slagging off of anything perceived as ‘British’ on MN.

BarbaraHoward · 22/11/2024 14:10

HooMoo · 22/11/2024 12:49

Yanbu! Our 10 month old eats the exact same food as us.

Lol. So do most 10 month olds. It's when they get to 2/3/4 and realise they have the power of choice that you're fucked.

My 10mo was an amazing eater. At 4... well, see post about having bolognese in two bowls.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 22/11/2024 14:08

Children have different taste buds to adults. Very young children have around 30,000 tastebuds spread around their mouths, by the time we reach middle age only about a third of those remain and they're on our tongues rather than being spread all over. This is why tastes change over time, and also why many young children don't tolerate certain foods - especially those which are bitter, spice or astringent. It's also why very young children can be fussy about texture.

All kids are different though, I don't think you can have black and white rules. Some kids will eat what adults do, some will not.

Interesting research here if of interest: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4654709/

The sweetness and bitterness of childhood: Insights from basic research on taste preferences - PMC

In this article, we review findings from basic, experimental research on children that suggests the liking of sweet and the dislike of bitter tastes reflects children’s basic biology. Children are born preferring sweet tastes, which attract them to ...

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4654709

Soitis83 · 22/11/2024 14:05

3 years old on baby food ?! That's ridiculous.

BarbaraHoward · 22/11/2024 14:05

VeggPatch · 22/11/2024 13:53

I also think the "when I was young you ate what you were given" crew are missing the huge variation in diet now that just wasn't there when I was growing up (80s). Most people ate some sort of meat and two veg meals, with the occasional pasta bake or really mild curry (bright yellow with raisins in!). Mince and onions was another one that we used to get loads and I don't think anyone eats now. A lot of it was bland, unthreatening food that today's "fussy eaters" will often eat.

I suspect that if the 70s and 80s had involved expectations that small children will get involved in sushi, Thai noodle salads, moussaka, risottos, curries, Korean hotpot at home and eat at restaurants with food from around the globe, we may have found there were more "fussy eaters" back then too. (And yes, yes I know that your little Tabitha simply loves sushi and often begs to go out for a spinach curry, she's evidently not a fussy eater and you know what? That is exclusively down to your good parenting, you superior being, you.)

Remember Indian restaurants that offered omelette and chips to the adult fussy eaters back then who couldn't bring themselves to try a curry? That's the equivalent of a children's menu - unobjectionable beige food to allow the fussy to eat alongside the grown-ups. Because at the end of the day, eating out is meant to be a pleasant experience, not a chore. If a children's menu facilitates that for some families, all power to the children's menu.

Agree with all this, great post.