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To think that your partner steps up financially when you are on mat leave (SMP)

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Teacherprebaby · 21/11/2024 21:56

Just that really, how did couples split the finances during mat leave? I'm talking mortgage repayments, bills etc.

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thelittlestbird · 22/11/2024 08:46

All ours is in one pot with proportional spending money given to our individual accounts once all joint living savings and bills are covered.

We wouldn't be able to survive with just DH wage and my SMP though, so we have scrimped and saved since that first positive test to put aside enough money every month so we will not have a shortfall once my SMP kicks in.

Spacecowboys · 22/11/2024 08:45

It will differ for each family, depending on income and the maternity package on offer for mum. Some partners are able to absorb all the costs with no issue.
For others, taking on the mortgage and all the
bills etc will be unaffordable / too much of a struggle. Especially with house prices and COL these days. So some couples will use savings. Other mums will have a decent maternity package where they can still pay half the household costs and have money for themselves. Thankfully I was able to do this and everything was cheaper back then too, so it was easier. Some couples will split the leave because mum is the higher earner or wants to return to work. In this instance, mum then takes on more of the costs whilst dad has a few months at home. I think most people will have already agreed how the finances will work beforehand. There isn’t a ‘right’ answer, it depends.

Teacherprebaby · 22/11/2024 08:44

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/11/2024 07:50

The thing about marriage is that your relationship has legal status. You have made that relationship legal, which makes you have to unmake it legally as well. That means that if you split up, everything you both own goes into one pot and gets divvied up fairly.

If you aren't married, everything could tick along nicely for years, and then one day it all comes to an end unexpectedly and you have absolutely no entitlement to any savings or assets he's been able to accumulate while you've been doing unpaid labour for the benefit of the whole family such as childcare and housework.

That's why marriage is usually in a woman's financial interests, unless she happens to be much better off than the man.

I would, however, advise that when you're able to (probably not during maternity leave) you keep enough money in the joint account to cover all your family expenses and then divide whatever is left between you for personal spending and savings. Because if you do want to get a divorce at some point and need to pay a lawyer, the fact that you technically own half of whatever he has will not help you exercise your rights if you don't actually have any money of your own, saved in a bank account he doesn't have access to.

This isn't what you want to be thinking of when you're happy together and having a baby, but it's how you prevent yourself from becoming THAT woman who posts on Mumsnet in ten years' time saying her partner is cheating on her and she's been on maternity leave and working part time and the house is in his name and she has no money of her own.

Planning ahead like this does you no harm at all, and hopefully you'll never need to fall back on it.

I screen shot your response. This is what I need to hear. My partner is honestly the best man and is doing everything other posters think a partner should, but I hadn't given the marriage idea this much thought. Thank you.

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User37482 · 22/11/2024 08:39

peepsypops · 22/11/2024 08:30

Hi OP.

I've had one baby and we (married) pooled our finances into a joint account for mat leave as I was SMP only (🙄).
It looks like I'm the outlier here but I hated that. I'm in my late 30s and I've always earned my own money and been fiercely independent.
I like to spend my money on things like Botox, nice clothes, holidays with my friends etc. I just can't understand how I would/should expect my husband to pay for all that?
He never once commented on my spending ever, however I never felt free to spend something because I knew it was different to before.
We've since separated out again - I'm paid into my own and he's still paid into the joint (lack of organising on his part tbh) but it's actually working well as he's the higher earner and I have access to his money if I needed to buy some stuff for our baby or every second weekly shop, but generally speaking I don't touch it. Pregnant again now and I think we might keep it like this. We currently split bills 70/30 according to difference in income. This allows for individual saving too for things we want to do - me a trip for my 40th with friends and him other things

I don’t get this, he is paying for your stuff, you aren’t splitting 50/50 so he’s subbing you anyway. His 70% contribution means you get to save (I think thats perfectly reasonable by the way). But what difference does it make if it’s a joint pot or separate in your case? We have a joint pot, Dh and I are both restrained but have never said no to each other for bigger or frivolous purchases and both have a bit of a blank cheque attitude towards DD. There nothing that I have hesitated over because I trust that Dh knows I’m a reasonable person and vice versa.

Mrscharlieeeee · 22/11/2024 08:39

We've pooled finances since we got engaged. It's all in one pot, all bills come out of there and we spend what's left as we wish (within reason, I wouldn't go and blow a grand without a discussion first). On mat leave DH did more overtime but we also spent less as we weren't going out like we used too. I went back FT after both mat leaves, childcare was a killer but my youngest is now 7 so those days are long behind us. We've always viewed our earnings as family money.

Everyonesouttogetme · 22/11/2024 08:38

We saved during pregnancy and so he as the lower earner paid the same into the joint account as always and I used a combination of my mat pay and the baby savings pot.

DaisyChain505 · 22/11/2024 08:38

I always find this topic insane.

you’ve both decided to have a baby. Someone has to look after it. So it’s either a parent stops bringing in money to do it or both parents work and you pay someone else to look after it.

your husband isn’t doing you a favour by “helping you out” with money whilst on maternity leave.

you are a family and you don’t have an income because you both created a child who needs caring for.

Psychologymam · 22/11/2024 08:36

you pool everything or if that isn’t for you, you both keep x amount of fun money and the rest is communal. And if you haven’t had this discussion before deciding to have a baby, you need to do it ASAP.

User37482 · 22/11/2024 08:34

Parkmybentley · 22/11/2024 08:32

In case OP or others reading this aren't aware - getting married is cheap and easy when you do it at the registry office on a weekday and take 2 people as witnesses. No need to use money as an excuse to avoid legal protection for yourself and your children.

I remember a fucking awful story here where a woman had basically ended up as a SAHM for something like 2 decades and then her partner basically decided to evict her. She had zero recourse. I just wouldn’t have children with a man who couldn’t see why it was a good idea for us to be married tbh. It wouldn’t be worth the risk to me later.

BlueRaincoat1 · 22/11/2024 08:34

I have seen the absolute mess that a terminal illness diagnosis had on a couple who were not married (and for complicating reasons couldn't quickly get married), and the vulnerable situation this left the surviving partner despite decades of co-habiting and children etc. You really never know what life will throw at you.

I agree with a lot of previous posters about the importance of discussing it early, saving what you can for mat leave, and yes, of course the person still earning should contribute more while you are on reduced or zero pay.

Not to get on my soap box, but I Really think the state of maternity pay is disgraceful l, and women should be fully educated in the vulnerable financial position maternity leave may put them in. Unless they are independent wealthy, women will very often be dependent on their male partner agreeing to get paid into a joint account for example. The very rapid ' dependence' and lack of control over finances is quite shocking.

I think maternity pay should be much higher to compensate for the structural inequality brought about my the fact that only women have babies. I strongly disagree that the financial risk should sit so squarely on womens' shoulders.

rollerround · 22/11/2024 08:34

@Teacherprebaby We definitely did not see the "plot twist" of my health which was greatly improved when I wasn't juggling working and a child even with a fantastic, hands on husband. My condition is made worse by stress but I didn't feel stressed at the time. There is a difference between a marriage and a wedding. Marriage is a legal contract, a wedding is a celebration/party for it. You can choose to do it very easily and cheaply. Women are very often shafted, I know this is MN so the vast majority of posters are women but so many walk into this partnership and have children then have issues with different surnames, money, childcare often falling to the woman. I had a friend who was a sahm whose husband suddenly decided that she had to return to work when their youngest was about to start school despite living a very comfortable life on their agreed one wage income. It came with caveats, term time only, school hours only, she also still had to do all the housework, shopping, meal planning etc and pick up the children if they were sick. Nice. So I have seen it in real life too.

As great as children are, people do find parenting difficult because a lot of the time it is. Have a read on MN about it so you can talk to your partner and agree on how you intend to parent. There are lots of posts about not coping, worrying about every decision you make, not wanting to return to work and leave their baby in a nursery (literal post on here) etc and this can put a huge strain on what are great relationships. Just remember you are a team, that may seem obvious but it needs repeating once you are in the trenches.

Parkmybentley · 22/11/2024 08:32

In case OP or others reading this aren't aware - getting married is cheap and easy when you do it at the registry office on a weekday and take 2 people as witnesses. No need to use money as an excuse to avoid legal protection for yourself and your children.

Glittertwins · 22/11/2024 08:32

Had joint finances for years before having children. Some years I was paid way more than him, now it's the other way around. Doesn't matter, it all goes into one place and is spent equally.

User37482 · 22/11/2024 08:31

Honestly post kids a joint pot is the easiest way to do it, perhaps a set personal spemd budget for each of you. People contribute in different ways to a family, not all of it can be easily accounted for. I would also get married.

peepsypops · 22/11/2024 08:30

Hi OP.

I've had one baby and we (married) pooled our finances into a joint account for mat leave as I was SMP only (🙄).
It looks like I'm the outlier here but I hated that. I'm in my late 30s and I've always earned my own money and been fiercely independent.
I like to spend my money on things like Botox, nice clothes, holidays with my friends etc. I just can't understand how I would/should expect my husband to pay for all that?
He never once commented on my spending ever, however I never felt free to spend something because I knew it was different to before.
We've since separated out again - I'm paid into my own and he's still paid into the joint (lack of organising on his part tbh) but it's actually working well as he's the higher earner and I have access to his money if I needed to buy some stuff for our baby or every second weekly shop, but generally speaking I don't touch it. Pregnant again now and I think we might keep it like this. We currently split bills 70/30 according to difference in income. This allows for individual saving too for things we want to do - me a trip for my 40th with friends and him other things

Parkmybentley · 22/11/2024 08:29

I'm pretty sure that most women who have their first baby don't do it with a man they think is financially abusing them. They think that everything will be fine.

Realising you're being abused comes much much later. That's why it's so prevalent. If the man said upfront "btw, you'll be begging me for money for shoes for the kid in 5 years while yours literally wear through" it would be easy to avoid.

A lot of it is boiled frog syndrome. It escalates gradually.

Abusers don't wear a helpful sign round their necks..

User37482 · 22/11/2024 08:28

We had joint finances after we got married so it didn’t make much difference, I just used the joint card for anything.

CatsMagic · 22/11/2024 08:26

Teacherprebaby · 21/11/2024 22:06

Not married. But very much a partnership. I'm just new to this situation so want to consider the fairest way to approach it. It's my independence getting the better of me I think. Asking from those more experienced.

That’s not your “independence” getting the better of you , it’s capitalism doing a number on society by convincing everyone that you need to be earning money to be of value.

hamsandyams · 22/11/2024 08:26

overwork · 22/11/2024 08:19

Not married (no intention to and don't need the financial protection, I hate how everyone on these threads assume that the woman does). Wills up to date etc.

We carried on putting money towards bills 50/50 as we've always done (I didn't really struggle with my share until the unpaid part of mat leave, at which point partner obviously put more in). But I didn't have anything left over for spends, so everything I or baby needed went on a joint credit card which he paid off each month.

I have to say that having the baby has made us a bit more joint with our money. Now I'm back at work we're going to review how we want to do it going forwards, but it will definitely involve separate accounts.

I’m the higher earner by over 2x in our house - but still pushed to get married. Because what I am earning now is in the family pot, and I want my husband (who I love) to have that security and have legal recognition that I see him as a partner.

If I’d started a company with a business associate I would have a similar agreement with that person, so why wouldn’t I for the most important relationship in my life.

I advocate for marriage on all of these threads, not to protect “women”, but because if you love and trust someone enough to build a life with them then it is sensible for all parties to have a legal framework around that so they know their rights and responsibilities.

Naunet · 22/11/2024 08:25

Teacherprebaby · 21/11/2024 22:08

A little old fashioned to have to get married in this day and age.

We did speak and he believes what's his is ours. I'm asking for nuances on how couples do it. I know everyone loves to jump to the financial abuse 😂

It's not old fashioned, it's sensible, but as long as you know what protections you're giving up by not being married and it wont come as a shock later, that's your choice.

Funny though how it's called old fashioned when it comes to protecting the woman, but the part where the man gets his last name given to the baby, isn't called old fashioned, and is often so important it happens even without marriage.

Nottodaty · 22/11/2024 08:24

We had a conversation- we jointly decided to have a child and we jointly need to be fair.

I was made redundant just before I was due to go on maternity leave (the company was sold) We then discussed again - my husband said no pressure let’s see when your ready to go back to work or if you want to be a SAHP. We discussed how financially it would be. Initially I was the higher earner in the relationship only with my second when i changed my job did he become the higher earner.

Money was pooled and bills paid then split fairly.

Okayornot · 22/11/2024 08:22

I think so OP. That said, me and my DH didn't. Somehow my ML was always paid for out do my savings as were an awful lot of child and house related expenses. Fast forward 18 years and he has much better pension provision and savings than me. I was very naive. That said, if we ever divorce I'm going straight after his pension!

Teacherprebaby · 22/11/2024 08:21

overwork · 22/11/2024 08:19

Not married (no intention to and don't need the financial protection, I hate how everyone on these threads assume that the woman does). Wills up to date etc.

We carried on putting money towards bills 50/50 as we've always done (I didn't really struggle with my share until the unpaid part of mat leave, at which point partner obviously put more in). But I didn't have anything left over for spends, so everything I or baby needed went on a joint credit card which he paid off each month.

I have to say that having the baby has made us a bit more joint with our money. Now I'm back at work we're going to review how we want to do it going forwards, but it will definitely involve separate accounts.

Thank you!

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Teacherprebaby · 22/11/2024 08:21

rollerround · 22/11/2024 08:10

Everything @MissScarletInTheBallroom says. I have been on MN for 18 years. Dh and I were married before having children, I went part time after Ds1 was born. Then I had to quit working for health reasons so I don't have any income and haven't had for over 20 years. Fortunately for us me being home meant Dh could advance his career because he could stay late, not leave a meeting early to collect Ds from nursery, which he used to do as we shared the nursery runs.

Should we get divorced I am entitled to money that I did not earn ie his work pension and a share of the house. I don't have to prove I paid anything toward the mortgage etc because one, I didn't and two I am married so I have automatic rights to the martial home.

You never know what life will throw at you. Your child could have additional needs that sees one of you either working part time or not at all. There have been lots of threads about this over the years. The woman is usually the one impacted by maternity leave and often the part time worker, sometimes school doesn't have enough places for wrap around care so someone has to pick those children up. The women are often the ones in the lower paid job and expected to be the one to pick up their ill child from nursery. They are the ones whose careers are impacted due to childcare commitments. There have been posts where Fathers just refuse to leave work or don't answer phone calls from the nursery.

There are also many threads on the man now earning 4 times what he did, will not marry because he has everything already, a partner, children and his money is his, he is not required to share it. He won't marry because he risks his pension pot etc. This is why people post about getting married because of the legal protections.

Thank you for sharing your story. I understand what you are saying and it makes total sense. Things don't magically work out how you want them to. It is also very obvious that women's rights are not a concern for our government when we 'have to' marry to protect ourselves financially.

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overwork · 22/11/2024 08:19

Not married (no intention to and don't need the financial protection, I hate how everyone on these threads assume that the woman does). Wills up to date etc.

We carried on putting money towards bills 50/50 as we've always done (I didn't really struggle with my share until the unpaid part of mat leave, at which point partner obviously put more in). But I didn't have anything left over for spends, so everything I or baby needed went on a joint credit card which he paid off each month.

I have to say that having the baby has made us a bit more joint with our money. Now I'm back at work we're going to review how we want to do it going forwards, but it will definitely involve separate accounts.

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