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Work Christmas Lunch - Truth or a Lie re. Attendence

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Recruitmentangst · 21/11/2024 09:26

Just as it says on the tin, really!

Civil servant. Middle management. Decent salary.

Staff Christmas lunch this year is £40?! (Organised by the HEOs - so more junior and therefore lower salary). I feel really awkward saying ‘£40 is to much for two courses, not including any drinks’ when they earn about £30K less than me (pre-tax). But equally…it’s far more money than I want to spend.

So, AIBU to be completely honest (both with my team and with my own line manager) that £40 for Christmas lunch is just too much for me to spend? I don’t want to lie - I don’t think it’s necessary and I don’t think it’s a good example to set and I’m very much a believer of being honest about finances - but equally it feels a tad insensitive to be blunt when my salary is much more…

YABU: suck it up and go, or tell a white lie.

YANBU: £40 is a ridiculous amount to expect people to spend on food alone for a work event and you should be honest.

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Phonicshaskilledmeoff · 21/11/2024 19:32

I’d be so pissed off if my Xmas do was in spoons 😂🤷‍♀️

Id rather be at home. Guarantee half of them cancel on the day because they can’t be arsed to make an effort for spoons.

Youngatheart00 · 21/11/2024 17:54

Totally depends on whether you will enjoy it once there, and will the more junior staff benefit from some informal time with you too? If so, £40 is pretty much par for the course. If you don’t want to go, then don’t.

I wouldn’t lie - if several did that they might then amend the date!! White lies can backfire…..

WeGoSlow · 21/11/2024 17:53

£40 seems very reasonable to me. If it's not reasonable to you then don't go.

LlynTegid · 21/11/2024 17:50

I am glad this had a positive outcome.

Buttercup198 · 21/11/2024 17:45

My dh work is the same £30 to attend a meal no drinks he's not going he's told his boss no they actually didn't seem happy about it when he declined

Sugarflub · 21/11/2024 17:34

It's not the talking about money as much as feeling the need to announce you aren't going and why when other people have organised it. Honestly it's so cringe, you just know their group chat is popping off.

Recruitmentangst · 21/11/2024 17:17

@HotCrossBunplease They are fine with the option given, when I said I couldn’t afford it so I wouldn’t be able to go (but I was more than happy for them to go without me) others came out and admitted they couldn’t either.

Part of the reason I said last year it was too expensive was because it was. But, equally, this time last year £40 would have been more doable, but now it’s not. Not with the cost of everything going up and our, quite frankly, abysmal pay rises.

And to those of you saying management should not talk about money…we 100% should. Line managers should be able to have conversation about team socials and costs and issues like that with their team, and if you don’t like your manager being open and honest then that says a lot about you. 😀

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Sugarflub · 21/11/2024 17:06

So you moaned last year that theyd arranged something for £60, this year you didn't bother to organise everything yourself but they arranged something for £40 and you moaned again and then they all agreed to go to Spoons? If they'd been bothered about you attending surely they'd have reacted to your feedback from last year and spoke to you before they organised this year? Also impressive it was possible to make a booking so late and get away without having to make a deposit for the booking at this time of year. Presumably the people who arranged the £40 meal and those who agreed to go were excited for it- sorry but I don't buy people were only going to please you when they didn't even know you were going. This is very much giving higher management vibes and a good reason people don't often to bother inviting them.

Honestly if you did gather your team to explain you couldn't go because of the cost is extremely cringe. It would have been embarrassing to feel the need to tell them all anyway.

HotCrossBunplease · 21/11/2024 17:04

Recruitmentangst · 21/11/2024 16:55

@5128gap it was first mentioned yesterday!

As it is, I spoke to my team and said that unfortunately I couldn’t afford £40 and I was really sorry but that £40 (+ other costs) just wasn’t something I could afford atm.

They were thrilled as it turns out most of them couldn’t afford it either and just didn’t want to
let ME down by not being sociable (particularly after last year when I remarked it was so expensive and apparently they all regretted it after as a waste of money) ! So we’re all going to go to Spoons

I am over the moon. Honesty was definitely the best policy.

Edited

What about the people who organised it and chose the £40 menu?

5128gap · 21/11/2024 17:02

Recruitmentangst · 21/11/2024 16:55

@5128gap it was first mentioned yesterday!

As it is, I spoke to my team and said that unfortunately I couldn’t afford £40 and I was really sorry but that £40 (+ other costs) just wasn’t something I could afford atm.

They were thrilled as it turns out most of them couldn’t afford it either and just didn’t want to
let ME down by not being sociable (particularly after last year when I remarked it was so expensive and apparently they all regretted it after as a waste of money) ! So we’re all going to go to Spoons

I am over the moon. Honesty was definitely the best policy.

Edited

Sorry, assumed they'd planned earlier! Good for you. You often find that once one person says something others feel the same. Hope you have a lovely time.

Sugarflub · 21/11/2024 17:00

Recruitmentangst · 21/11/2024 16:55

@5128gap it was first mentioned yesterday!

As it is, I spoke to my team and said that unfortunately I couldn’t afford £40 and I was really sorry but that £40 (+ other costs) just wasn’t something I could afford atm.

They were thrilled as it turns out most of them couldn’t afford it either and just didn’t want to
let ME down by not being sociable (particularly after last year when I remarked it was so expensive and apparently they all regretted it after as a waste of money) ! So we’re all going to go to Spoons

I am over the moon. Honesty was definitely the best policy.

Edited

Of course this happened 😂

Recruitmentangst · 21/11/2024 16:55

@5128gap it was first mentioned yesterday!

As it is, I spoke to my team and said that unfortunately I couldn’t afford £40 and I was really sorry but that £40 (+ other costs) just wasn’t something I could afford atm.

They were thrilled as it turns out most of them couldn’t afford it either and just didn’t want to
let ME down by not being sociable (particularly after last year when I remarked it was so expensive and apparently they all regretted it after as a waste of money) ! So we’re all going to go to Spoons

I am over the moon. Honesty was definitely the best policy.

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5128gap · 21/11/2024 16:02

I think the time to have been honest was when it was first mooted and before it took hold. I agree it's a lot of money and leads to pressure on people and I think that probably needed saying by someone with a bit more seniority at the off set. You won't be the only one who feels this way, and someone needs to say. That said, it's too late now really as it's all no doubt booked and arranged, so probably at this point I'd just say I wasn't going then speak up next year.

LesleyConroy · 21/11/2024 15:32

Laura36TTC · 21/11/2024 10:58

As someone who is a HEO in the civil service I would just like to ask on what planet do you think that you as a G6 are middle management?

Oh this thread has made me laugh! The juniors probably don’t want their G6 to go anyway so just don’t go 😂😂

Grin was reading this the exact same way as an EO Confused *misses the point of the thread entirely haha

lto2019 · 21/11/2024 15:11

I would just say you are not going - you don't need a reason and if they ask then you can say it is more than I want to spend although I appreciate it can be difficult to find somewhere inexpensive but nice at this time of year.
I'm not going to my work's meal and it is paid for and at a nice place. They just asked for us to let them now re numbers for booking and we just replied with if we were going or not.

Anotherworrier · 21/11/2024 15:06

emsyj37 · 21/11/2024 14:57

You were the one who made the snarky response - if you're rude to people, expect them to be rude back. Good life lesson for you.

Did I?????😂😂

Well thank you so much for educating me. Your good deed done for the day ❤️

emsyj37 · 21/11/2024 14:57

Anotherworrier · 21/11/2024 14:38

😂 who pissed on your cornflakes.

Clearly you don't have a clue either.
i stoped reading after this

You were the one who made the snarky response - if you're rude to people, expect them to be rude back. Good life lesson for you.

HellofromJohnCraven · 21/11/2024 14:56

But that's the inherent problem when these things are self funding.
Go for cheapest option. Everyone moans about it. Go for middle option everyone moans. Go for expensive option everyone moans.
Those that never go to anything moan the loudest.
If you don't want to go, invent a clash of something immovable like a hospital appt.

Anotherworrier · 21/11/2024 14:38

emsyj37 · 21/11/2024 13:16

You used the term 'inclusive', I just asked you what you meant by it. Clearly you don't have a clue either.

Some people can spare £100. Some people can spare £50. Many people can probably ill afford £5. So there isn't really any amount that is going to be universally acceptable. Meals out are expensive now - much more so than they were pre-Covid, and they weren't cheap around Christmas time even then.

😂 who pissed on your cornflakes.

Clearly you don't have a clue either.
i stoped reading after this

StaringAtTheWater · 21/11/2024 14:32

Yanbu not to go. Just say 'sorry, I can't make it this year but hope you all have a lovely time'.

Yabu to mention the cost. £40 really isn't that expensive for a Christmas lunch. It's basic supply and demand. A lot of people eat out with friends & colleagues in the run up to Christmas. Ergo restaurants can charge more for their Christmas menus. Round our way they still get heavily booked up, so they have priced it about right. You'll sound like a prat if you comment on it, especially as you are one of the higher earners.

Givemethreerings · 21/11/2024 14:20

WinterUnder · 21/11/2024 13:51

When did these lunches become the cost for employees. I worked in many big corporates and it was always on the employer. Why would someone want to spend their money on forced fun.

Public sector! You can’t spend tax payers money on parties.

BaileyRob · 21/11/2024 14:18

WinterUnder · 21/11/2024 13:51

When did these lunches become the cost for employees. I worked in many big corporates and it was always on the employer. Why would someone want to spend their money on forced fun.

Always in the public sector. As above, we don't even get a hot drink provided in a day of work!

Can you imagine the fall out, great DM story of public sector workers partying at the tax payers expense, especially as my LA has huge deficits created by the Conservative Gov cuts.

In fact, we are not even allowed to ‘party’ at lunch time on a week day for fear of claims of misuse of time. So no team Christmas lunch for us!

Givemethreerings · 21/11/2024 14:18

In London it’s impossible to find a place for less than £40

Some of the younger colleagues really value the social occasion. Many have missed out on office socialising, networking and relationship building (especially with senior staff) due to the pandemic and ensuing shift to WFH, hybrid.

In the main, young staff in office based jobs don’t get the same amount of interaction with colleagues in their organisation post Covid - and this is bad for their development, happiness, and talent retention. As well as interpersonal relationships in the workplace.

So - if you can afford it, I would go but maybe volunteer to take on the organisation next year and set up a Canadian picnic in the office kitchen or similar.

ArmourClatterSale · 21/11/2024 14:17

I am an HEO and our Christmas meal is £30.95 for 3 courses, £25.95 for 2 and £20.95 for 1. I thought £31 seemed quite a lot so I’m having 2 courses. I won’t eat the whole of my 2 courses anyway so paying more for 3 would be daft. I’m in the SW.

It has been organised by the EOs and there will be another couple of HEOs and a Grade 7 there as well.

I don’t mind paying for myself. I am unsure if I have ever had a paid for Christmas work meal in my life? Maybe when I worked for Tesco briefly? I can’t remember.

I don’t begrudge paying it though as I love my colleagues and we all get on very well and are friends in ‘real life’ as well as work.

safetyfreak · 21/11/2024 14:14

Yes my work tried to orgnise a Christmas dinner, £40-50 quid and that does not include drinks etc.

Guess what, it got cancelled as many people opted out.

I rather spend that money on going out with my own family.