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To expect parents in mid '70's to host Christmas with very young children?

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Birminghamx · 21/11/2024 09:23

I’m one of three children , all of whom have two children. We’re all in late’30’s, early ‘40’s. Two, three years ago my elder brother and I hosted Christmas for our parents in turn, both feeling it was the time for the mantle to be passed to our generation. Our parents are in reasonable health but have some issues and of course have slowed a lot. We knew our parents enjoyed the ease and lack of responsibility when we provided Christmas. My sister is unlike us a single parent and last year invited herself for Christmas with her then 5 months old and just 2 year old and the baby was fractious throughout the 5 day stay. None of us live near one another and a Christmas visit means staying over. Our parents made light of it but I know through my mother’s friends that she was so exhausted after the stay that she cancelled engagements for a couple of days.

Now our sister has invited herself again and my brother and I think this unfair. Our parents are making light of it again and say they need to support her more as she’s single (though by choice). In fairness she can’t host as her flat is too small and our parents book hotels when they visit. Neither my brother or I can host parents and sister but both of us are prepared to invite her for New Year to try and resolve this amicably.

My parents are of sound mind so of course the decision is theirs. However I know they’re affected by an unpleasant breakdown in the wider family (niece/cousin) and are terrified of an estrangement with our (frequently difficult) sister.

Do you think my brother and I would be unreasonable to try and intervene, expressing our views to parents and sister that the proposed arrangements are too demanding on our parents. Our sister has already tried to counter arguments by saying they can buy “easy meals” and eat out (at my parent’s expense), though the reality is this matters little to the strain. Do you think we’re unreasonable in regarding mid ‘70’s as too old for hosting Xmas for several days with very young children?

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Heatwavenotify · 21/11/2024 17:34

Wow, I’d quit whilst you are behind Op. Every post you put your sister down some more to try and justify your treatment. You sound wholly unsupportive, and now the comment about siding with a nice ex. I can see why you were accused of that.
If this is you trying to put yourself in a better light, I dread to think how she has been treated. Maybe read your posts and have some self reflection. Maybe her behaviour you are so keen to admonish her for is attributed in some way because of your families black sheep attitude towards her.

Birminghamx · 21/11/2024 17:19

There is some fantasy building up here. I'm reading about my sister living in a one bedroomed flat and me being snobbish. People have got totally the wrong idea. My sister lives in a small terraced house, 2 bedroomed though neither large. It is however in an expensive area of London-she has a job where she can live anywhere in the UK. She prefers London, her choice completely, she preferred a posh area where she could only afford something small rather than a cheaper area and larger home. Her choice again, but one with ramifications-it means she can't host people staying. Whether that's deliberate or not I don't know. I only live in a larger property because we live in a cheaper part of the country. Some people's posts seem to believe that I'm in the manor born and she's in the gutter. She's better qualified than me (and no I'm not envious before you start). She worked very hard for her qualifications.. At the same time from being a teenager or even slightly before she's been bloody difficult. It was her choice to be a single parent, she told me she was only in a relationship to get pregnant and broke with him as soon as she was pregnant with her second. He wasn't a bad guy (I've already been accused of unfairly siding with him). Her choice of course whether to stay in the relationship, the three years she was with him was the longest relationship she'd had with any man. Part of me does think that she's made decisions which put more burden on our elderly parents who I know worry so much more about her than my brother and myself. I also don't hate her, though dislike the effect she has on my parents. Of the three of us she can be the liveliest and funniest. My feelings for her are too complex to go into but certainly hate is not part of that complexity.

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Ewock · 21/11/2024 17:16

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 21/11/2024 15:41

Oh dear, that went right over your head, didn't it?

Oh dear, condescending much...

HappyTwo · 21/11/2024 17:12

I kind of got a bit stuck on your sister is single 'by choice'. What does that mean for goodness sake?
Your sister's children are a year older - your parents are adults and can make their own decisions.
My parents in mid-70s looked after my sister's three children under five years of age for over a week when my sister and hubby went overseas for a wedding - how people can cope is not about age but their individual health and desire to look after kids.

HotCrossBunplease · 21/11/2024 17:07

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Here’s a tip. If you don’t advocate slapping women, don’t write that women should be slapped as this may cause people to think that you think that women should be slapped.

RobinStrike · 21/11/2024 17:06

I'm probably nearer to your parents ages. I would hate one of my children to be alone at Christmas with her children. You say she has a social network but they will probably all also be with family for Christmas. Also, how often do your parents see your sister and their grandchildren? They may well look forward to seeing them. If you and your brother have in laws to see as well, do as we used to do and alternate. One of you -plus family- could visit your parents over Christmas this year and the other next year, alternating with the in laws. That's what many people do.
If you chat with your parents instead of trying to wrap them in cotton wool and not ask their opinion I suspect you will find they want to see your sister, either with or without you or your brother.

Heatwavenotify · 21/11/2024 17:02

Coffeeloverme · 21/11/2024 16:44

The OP has already said she doesn’t live in a big house and her sister’s place is smaller because she lives in a much more expensive area. She’s also said her sister is a sole parent but surely that is a factual description not a moralistic judgement. You’re reading and interpreting more than is there. Her sister won’t compromise, insists 5 days is reasonable and doesn’t help at all with the shopping or taking responsibility for a meal. Surely if part of the reason for visiting is to give grandparents time with the children, the daughter could cook one meal. It is a genuinely difficult situation being fair to the daughter means being unto the parents (grandparents) but given the selfish and difficult behaviour of the daughter/sister I can see where the OP is coming from. The sister will get her way because the parents are kind and caring,

I appreciate you trying to put Op in a good light. But her comments about her sister are dripping with judgement, actually make that cascading with judgement. it’s clear she doesn’t like her.
She wants her sister with two small kids who can’t talk to sit by herself for the whole Xmas. Whilst her and her brother have a big family Xmas.
She came on an internet forum to ask strangers how to make that happen.
And you are quoting my post to defend that? Poor!

Coffeeloverme · 21/11/2024 17:00

showmethegin · Today 10:12
So you want your parents to go to you or your brothers and your sister isn't invited to either. So you want your single sister to spend Christmas alone with her young children? Have I got that right?

It’s a difficult situation, the OP is being protective of her elderly parents. The single sister could help and be less obnoxious and then it wouldn’t be so stressful for the grandparents.

fromthegecko · 21/11/2024 16:59

mathanxiety · 21/11/2024 16:47

I'm trying to understand stand what her unmarried status has to do with the price of fish?

Valid information to feed into the 'who's going where at xmas?' shenanigans that start in about August. People without in-laws are usually high value counters!

IsThisIt39 · 21/11/2024 16:58

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I’d love the sister to give her side of this story! Maybe she’s on Mumsnet?

arinya · 21/11/2024 16:56

I have a 12yr old and in that time neither my parents or my in-laws have ever hosted us on Christmas Day. I can’t remember the last time I even saw any of them on Christmas day. They are all early 70’s, healthy, nothing wrong but all prefer not to spend the day with their adult children or grandchildren. I appreciate it is very weird to others but we the adult children have had to just get on with it and create our own Christmas days at home in our own family units. They never provide any help or childcare either. Not sure why any of them had children tbh but I guess it was just what their generation was expected to do 🙄

GranPepper · 21/11/2024 16:55

mylittleworld563 · 21/11/2024 14:35

I agree that early 60s isn't elderly and I didn't say that it is, but OP's parents in the 70s are elderly especially considering her mother had to cancel planned events to recover. My mother is waiting for a double knee replacement so she has mobility issues which prevent her ascending and descending stairs. I'm glad your experience of being an adult with an aging parent has been one where your parent has been healthy and active.

I think that grown adults expecting their parents to host them is an absolutely awful way to behave. Grown children should host parents not the other way around.

I am not sure in today's world 70s is automatically "elderly". I know people in my extended family in their 70s who are very well, fit and active

Calliopespa · 21/11/2024 16:53

To clarify it was by choice to avoid anyone feeling any sympathy on that front about her being alone on Christmas Day.

Likewise the highly paid/ professionally successful comment to about any struggling single mum pity.

mathanxiety · 21/11/2024 16:50

showmethegin · 21/11/2024 10:12

So you want your parents to go to you or your brothers and your sister isn't invited to either. So you want your single sister to spend Christmas alone with her young children? Have I got that right?

If so that's vile

Agree.

mathanxiety · 21/11/2024 16:50

ChocolateTelephone · 21/11/2024 10:05

This puts a different colour on things, because what you’re actually suggesting is that you and / or your brother get together with your parents for a cosy family Christmas while your sister - a single parent with two small children - is left to fend for herself. That’s very cold and it’s not remotely surprising that your parents’ preference is to have their daughter and her children stay with them rather than leave her alone at Christmas.

Your sister having an active social group is irrelevant. People like to be with family at Christmas, and it rather sounds like you’ve thrown this comment in to make it look less bad that you’re trying to exclude your sister.

Your framing of the problem essentially means your sister never gets another family Christmas while your parents are alive. I expect your parents like having their daughter and grandchildren for Christmas even if it is tiring, especially if the alternative is never seeing her at Christmas again for as long as they live.

I find hosting people for Christmas very tiring but I still love it and choose to do it. There will come a time when your parents simply can’t do that any more, but while they can it’s not for you to interfere in their arrangements.

You describe your sister as difficult but your attitude towards her over this is pretty brutal.

Agree.

OP, your attitude toward your sister is poor.

Also, you come across as oddly possessive of your parents.

Jaboodyv2 · 21/11/2024 16:49

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NonPlayerCharacter · 21/11/2024 16:47

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Like I said, OP, this person who advocates slapping women who don't please you ("fuckin good" slaps at that), and who also makes ridiculous and baseless extrapolations, is one of your supporters.

Make of that what you will. But don't slap anyone. (I'm sure you wouldn't, but this person seems to find it acceptable.)

mathanxiety · 21/11/2024 16:47

I'm trying to understand stand what her unmarried status has to do with the price of fish?

lightsandtunnels · 21/11/2024 16:46

You don't sound dreadful to me OP. I have (I think perhaps most of us do have) issues with a sibling so I can feel your frustration in your post but also your desire to do the right thing by your parents and your sister and wider family. I would say ultimately that your parents should make their own choice. Perhaps you could visit them at some point whilst your sister is there to help support your parents with the demands of hosting. And if you go out for a lunch together, you manage the bill to make sure everyone pays their own whack.

Christmas brings so much bloody stress when it's supposed to be a beautiful time for families and friends and the season of goodwill and all that stuff!
I sincerely hope you come to a happy compromise and you all enjoy a lovely and peaceful Christmas.

Coffeeloverme · 21/11/2024 16:44

Heatwavenotify · 21/11/2024 10:02

I feel sorry for your sister. You don’t sound very nice at all. Why should she spend Christmas on her own without support from her parents. They can say no. It’s none of your business. Maybe go back to your 2.2 family, big house and get on with your big, wonderful Xmas…and the single by choice, with a too small flat can get a bit of help from what seems like the only nice family she has. Intervene ? FFS!

The OP has already said she doesn’t live in a big house and her sister’s place is smaller because she lives in a much more expensive area. She’s also said her sister is a sole parent but surely that is a factual description not a moralistic judgement. You’re reading and interpreting more than is there. Her sister won’t compromise, insists 5 days is reasonable and doesn’t help at all with the shopping or taking responsibility for a meal. Surely if part of the reason for visiting is to give grandparents time with the children, the daughter could cook one meal. It is a genuinely difficult situation being fair to the daughter means being unto the parents (grandparents) but given the selfish and difficult behaviour of the daughter/sister I can see where the OP is coming from. The sister will get her way because the parents are kind and caring,

Jaboodyv2 · 21/11/2024 16:43

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sandyhappypeople · 21/11/2024 16:41

Birminghamx · 21/11/2024 15:59

I agree on all the positives and yes you're right as I reread it it does sound clinical. I do work in the caring professions and that doesn't help. I think it's mainly though that I've been trying to sort out the conundrum of my sister for 25 years, so many positives and so many real difficulties including personal behaviour that would astound members of her profession. My mother and I have read much on autism, personality disorders etc without finding anything that properly fits. Easy for you, on the scantiest of evidence you blame me but thinking about something for so long probably does make you sound detached and clinical

I think it's mainly though that I've been trying to sort out the conundrum of my sister for 25 years.

It's not your job to 'sort out' anything, she's an adult!! What would you be sorting out?

NonPlayerCharacter · 21/11/2024 16:38

Coffeeloverme · 21/11/2024 16:33

To be fair the OP is not the daughter who’s been unreasonably and given the parents considerable stress over the past 25 years or so.

Who told us that?

fromthegecko · 21/11/2024 16:36

Coffeeloverme · 21/11/2024 16:33

To be fair the OP is not the daughter who’s been unreasonably and given the parents considerable stress over the past 25 years or so.

Has anyone asked the parents? 😉