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To expect parents in mid '70's to host Christmas with very young children?

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Birminghamx · 21/11/2024 09:23

I’m one of three children , all of whom have two children. We’re all in late’30’s, early ‘40’s. Two, three years ago my elder brother and I hosted Christmas for our parents in turn, both feeling it was the time for the mantle to be passed to our generation. Our parents are in reasonable health but have some issues and of course have slowed a lot. We knew our parents enjoyed the ease and lack of responsibility when we provided Christmas. My sister is unlike us a single parent and last year invited herself for Christmas with her then 5 months old and just 2 year old and the baby was fractious throughout the 5 day stay. None of us live near one another and a Christmas visit means staying over. Our parents made light of it but I know through my mother’s friends that she was so exhausted after the stay that she cancelled engagements for a couple of days.

Now our sister has invited herself again and my brother and I think this unfair. Our parents are making light of it again and say they need to support her more as she’s single (though by choice). In fairness she can’t host as her flat is too small and our parents book hotels when they visit. Neither my brother or I can host parents and sister but both of us are prepared to invite her for New Year to try and resolve this amicably.

My parents are of sound mind so of course the decision is theirs. However I know they’re affected by an unpleasant breakdown in the wider family (niece/cousin) and are terrified of an estrangement with our (frequently difficult) sister.

Do you think my brother and I would be unreasonable to try and intervene, expressing our views to parents and sister that the proposed arrangements are too demanding on our parents. Our sister has already tried to counter arguments by saying they can buy “easy meals” and eat out (at my parent’s expense), though the reality is this matters little to the strain. Do you think we’re unreasonable in regarding mid ‘70’s as too old for hosting Xmas for several days with very young children?

OP posts:
CustardCreams2 · 21/11/2024 12:33

You sound like you really dislike your sister?

YellowAsteroid · 21/11/2024 12:32

No33 · 21/11/2024 12:23

I'm just glad that my family don't treat me like this, being single by choice with children.

Honestly. let your parents spend Christmas with your sister. Sounds like they would rather that.

This. @Birminghamx seems very judgmental of her sister’s choices. Not everyone is lucky enough to find a life partner.

And it IS luck, not that the OP and her brother are superior people (although she seems to think so).

YellowAsteroid · 21/11/2024 12:29

You seem to resent your sister. And you are very judgemental of her. Were your DC perfectly behaved at 5 months old?

Your parents are trying to help her. They may understand why she made the choice to be a parent without a partner better than you do.

Yes it’s difficult to see siblings appear to exploit parents, but your sister has her own relationship with your parents which you can’t control. Maybe you could help your parents instead of bitching about your sister?

Livinglifetoday · 21/11/2024 12:26

NeedSomeComfy · 21/11/2024 09:58

Mid 70s is a bit of a red herring - some people in mid 70s are sprightly and full of energy, some people in their mid 40s would be knackered by hosting kids and a baby. My mid 70s parents will host all their kids + partners and grandkids this Christmas (9 people in total) - I'm sure they will be tired but they also wouldn't have it any other way.
I hear what you're saying about you difficult sister getting her way more and why that's frustrating, but ultimately I think any intervention you try to make here will be counter productive. In the future I would suggest getting in early with the arrangements you want to make, and also consider trying to include your sister even if you're hosting because it would be tough for her to be on her own with two young kids at Christmas.

This saves me writing what I would have added OP but I hope it all works out for everyone.

Todaywasbetter · 21/11/2024 12:26

So this year you’ll both have parents in law.
But you still think your sister shouldn’t go to your mums can you see how logical that sounds?

MrsWhites · 21/11/2024 12:25

Birminghamx · 21/11/2024 12:17

We have them alternatively-either parents or parents in law

This works for you and your brother but it doesn’t work for your sister, she doesn’t have the space to accommodate your parents so she misses out on Christmas with her family whilst you and your brother get to spend family christmases with your parents every other year.

Equally your parents miss out on time with their daughter (however difficult) and their grand daughters.

However hard it is, you need to stay out of the solution they have come up with.

PureBoggin · 21/11/2024 12:25

Birminghamx · 21/11/2024 09:52

I made it clear it was their decision and they were of sound mind so why your post?

Why yours?

You know that this is absolutely none of your business. Your parents are capable of making decisions for themselves. You have a third party narrative that your mum was tired for a couple of days. I would always sacrifice a couple of days if it meant not leaving my daughter alone on Christmas Day with two small children.

It's really important that you stay out of this. Your relationship with your parents is completely separate from her relationship with her parents. You can not go on thinking you need to rescue your parents from your sister.

GranPepper · 21/11/2024 12:23

Birminghamx · 21/11/2024 12:17

We have them alternatively-either parents or parents in law

But not your sister 🤔

No33 · 21/11/2024 12:23

I'm just glad that my family don't treat me like this, being single by choice with children.

Honestly. let your parents spend Christmas with your sister. Sounds like they would rather that.

Pluvia · 21/11/2024 12:23

Calliopespa · 21/11/2024 11:44

Oh I see. I thought I’d read it carefully.

The reason I ask is that to be OP’s parents behaviour suggests they suspect something like this. Time and again I’ve found that parents who seem to “ overlook” behaviours just have a bigger picture view.

Yes, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the OP's parents can see what's going on more clearly than the OP, who seems to be in sibling-rivalry mode and isn't, on this issue, acting like a dispassionate adult.

It can be challenging having someone like OP's sister in the family. In my own experience, many a pleasant family event was marred by my sister's apparently unreasonable behaviour and yes, I used to be furious with her for being so difficult. She can still be infuriating, but now we understand what's going on and sometimes we can change things to ensure that it's easier for her to cope with. Perhaps that's why the OP's parents are happy to host DS and children — because they see the bigger picture and accept that that's how she is and offer what she needs.

Lotsofsnacks · 21/11/2024 12:21

Shinyandnew1 · 21/11/2024 10:13

This.

What you are actually doing is trying to force your parents to choose you over your sister which is just awful.

I’m sure one of you can fit your sister in for Xmas, you just don’t want to. Hopefully you won’t be a single parent one day with no one wanting to invite you round at Xmas.

Flopsythebunny · 21/11/2024 12:21

BlueFloweredMug · 21/11/2024 12:18

We hosted daughter and her boyfriend, are decades younger, and found it incredibly ( expensive) and stressful.

And?
Presumably you'll tell them that you won't be hosting again then?
It didn't have be expensive or exhausting hosting 2 other adults

StarCourt · 21/11/2024 12:20

@Birminghamx you sound selfish, jealous and controlling.

Beebop1784 · 21/11/2024 12:19

Birminghamx · 21/11/2024 12:17

We have them alternatively-either parents or parents in law

You still haven't answered if one of you will take your sister? Or do you want her and her children to spend Christmas alone?

You sound like a miserable person

TofuTart · 21/11/2024 12:19

BlueFloweredMug · 21/11/2024 12:18

We hosted daughter and her boyfriend, are decades younger, and found it incredibly ( expensive) and stressful.

If you had two kids though would you want one to not be included and on their own?

BlueFloweredMug · 21/11/2024 12:18

We hosted daughter and her boyfriend, are decades younger, and found it incredibly ( expensive) and stressful.

Birminghamx · 21/11/2024 12:17

Seeline · 21/11/2024 12:06

If both you and your brother can host your parents and in-laws at the same time, and your parents can only be in one place at a time, then whoever doesn't have your parents can have your sister?

We have them alternatively-either parents or parents in law

OP posts:
GranPepper · 21/11/2024 12:15

Birminghamx · 21/11/2024 09:51

Apologies if I didn't make it clear. If our parents are visiting either my brother or I they stay with us in our home. They stay in a hotel when visiting my sister. this is not an issue as my sister has a smaller place, I'm mentioned it only to make clear they couldn't visit my sister at Christmas except as day visitors from a hotel.

If I understand correctly, if it's you or your brother, your parents stay with you (so you must have the space to accommodate). When visiting your sister, they stay in a hotel because she doesn't (have space). But you denigrate your sister. Maybe think seriously about that is what I'd say.

Flopsythebunny · 21/11/2024 12:14

LeonoraCazalet · 21/11/2024 12:01

Yes. But sit down with your parents and have a heart to heart with them. Don't include your sister in the conversation till you have the truth from your parents. Ask them what they want. Why can't your sister just come for say two or three days. 5 days is quite long. Think about the next five years which is not far away. How will you be dealing with matters then? It is worth setting a precedent now.

No, no, no. If one of my daughters did this she would be shown the door.
Op is deliberately trying to exclude her sister from family Christmas celebrations when what happens in her parents house is none of her business.
Why do some people think that once we each pension age we cannot think or speak for ourselves?

Lotsofsnacks · 21/11/2024 12:14

ZippidyDeeDoo · 21/11/2024 10:23

This.

I was just coming to say this, one has parents, the other hosts sis and kids. I know you have issues with her, after a post further down the thread, but for your parents sake, I think u should suck it up and do this, show some Christmas spirit. I’m sure sis would want to be with family rather than friends, especially as she’s got children. Your parents are going to feel terribly guilty knowing sis is on her own, if they aren’t at home to host her and they are with her sibling

mydamnfootstuckinthedoor · 21/11/2024 12:13

This is the type of "I know what's best for them" scenario that causes rifts in families. You decide for everyone, but you don't actually offer to include everyone in your plans. Why don't you host for the whole family? If the response is going to be "not enough room", then why not host at your parents house? You do all the work, food, planning etc, and they put their feet up in their own home (and even catch a quick nap when/if things get too much for them). Stop telling other people what to do, and offer to help instead.

sandyhappypeople · 21/11/2024 12:11

Dramatic · 21/11/2024 12:05

So what you're saying is that you and your brother are going to have your spouses, kids and in laws at your respective houses but you want your sister to stay at home with two very small children by herself so that one of you can also have your parents to your house? I'm sorry, I know you might not like your sister much but this is quite mean and I'm not surprised your parents want to have her over, I certainly wouldn't want one of my kids to be alone at Christmas while I go to one of my other kids houses that is full of people

My understanding of it is that neither OP or her brother have invited their parents to either of theirs as they are hosting their in laws..

They are annoyed that their sister is going to their parents again this year (same as last year) and they think they should intervene to stop it somehow?

MrsSunshine2b · 21/11/2024 12:08

So since neither you nor your brother can host you sister over Christmas, and she cannot host you, you are proposing that your sister stays at home alone in her small flat whilst you, brother and parents have a very Merry Christmas?

With siblings like you, who needs enemies?

Seeline · 21/11/2024 12:06

If both you and your brother can host your parents and in-laws at the same time, and your parents can only be in one place at a time, then whoever doesn't have your parents can have your sister?

OuchyEars · 21/11/2024 12:06

Sorry for double posting, but maybe the reason your parents want it at their house, despite it being so much more work, is that when someone else hosts Christmas 1/3 of their family is excluded. The same predictable 1/3 every time.

I really hope they are wise to you.