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Exhausted with current situation - money issue

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Dreambow · 21/11/2024 01:28

I don’t really know what to expect from this but please be kind.

We are a married couple both in professional jobs (doctor and DH works in the city - not a banker).
I have been contracting the last few years as NHS salary doesn’t cover enough outgoings.
We have a 2.5 year old and a 8 week old.

All we do is work work work. The cost of everything is eating up everything and we have several credit cards (interest free). We live frugally as we can but our outgoings are huge and have increased so much over the past two years. I am so worried that this is going to get worse over the next few years.

We have a large mortgage as live in London for DH work - since the rate of interest has gone up we are now paying £1200 per month extra. Still better off in the long run than rent and we are grateful for this.

Nursery fees were £1050 per month in Jan 2022 and now £1600 (£550 per month increase) for full time. This is for one child (not eligible for government help). Absolutely dreading when the second one starts nursery and when they go up again next year. This is for a cheap nursery - most are £2000 per month for one child full time.

On top of this energy bills and food bills all increased. We have a Victorian house and it’s freezing cold (apart from the ground floor which has underfloor heating). Currently 10 degrees in the house (not ground floor). No insulation (apart from loft) and heating bills are huge so try and turn off as much as possible but harder with children.

We never go out, no date nights (babysitter plus cost of going out would be too much. No coffees out, no meals out, no cinema. No holidays. Clothes from Vinted.

Our living costs have increased by around £2000 per month including increased mortgage £1200 month, increased nursery fees £550 month, energy and food bills etc

For the past two years I worked every weekend (apart from Christmas and Easter) and 2-4 days in the week. Some of my work is adhoc so unpredictable with childcare and have to put DC in nursery for full time.

I feel like we are working a lot harder but wages are not going up. Our outgoings have increased by £2000 month over the last two years but our lifestyles are much much worse.

We used to be able to go out for coffee/ meals/ cinema dates comfortably. We used to go on holiday a lot. We were able to buy high street clothes without thinking twice. House is currently freezing cold and on top of it all we also have a mouse problem (coming in from next door).

I know we are in a better position than some but I feel pretty down-beaten and exhausted with it all. I think inflation will back up again next year and I am not sure how we will financially and mentally manage it all.

To expect to have a better quality of life, working full time and working hard?

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hookiewookie29 · 21/11/2024 13:34

Have you looked at using a childminder? They're usually a lot cheaper than nurseries- I'm a childminder and charge half what the nurseries charge.
Also,are you able to use the government tax free childcare account where they pay 20% of your childcare bill? Not sure if you're eligible, but have a look at www.childcarechoices.gov.uk

Dreambow · 21/11/2024 13:29

@Beemum2 it really is depressing isn’t it. I love the clinical side of my job but I wouldn’t do it again if I could go back. On top of it COL has become so bad. Good luck for the new baby! Try and focus on positives - I know easier said than done.

@Notgoodatpoetrybutgreatatlit haha those wacky Victorians should have invented insulation! Hope you got those opera tickets!

@LivingLaVidaBabyShower I feel for you stuck in a job you hate. I know the feeling - one of my previous jobs was temporary and the only way to get through it was little treats every month or so. You have done so well to fix your mortgage!! One less thing to worry about

@80smonster thank you. You have hit the nail on the head with several things. The high tax and the lack of help with the government with childcare has truly messed things up. I feel very little incentive to keep working so hard as there is no reward. It’s very much stick and no carrot. Some people are just going abroad or cutting down working so under a tax bracket. Didn’t really want to do that and makes less sense from an economic point of view but maybe we should just do it. Sell up and have a chilled life with more time.

A couple of PPs mentioned taking DC out of nursery or dropping days while on mat leave - looked into this but there is now a 18 month - 2yrs waiting list. Several nurseries have closed in the area and this is a lifeline for both of us to work.

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Negroany · 21/11/2024 13:26

@Dreambow

I don't know if anyone has suggested it (I know you've said no to a lodger due to the cold), but you could plan to have a 6m lodger from, say, Mar to Sept. Then you don't need to worry so much about the cold house, but get some income over the year.

Or, a M-F lodger who has a VERY demanding job. In London you'll easily find someone. They'll come after work M, then leave Fri am. I've had several (outside London) and they tend to work long hours in the week they are away to give themselves free time at the weekend. And just heat the room with an electric heater, and hang nice thick curtains. If you make it clear when you interview people that it's an old draughty house, you'll still get someone and the worst that happens is that they don't like it and leave and you look for someone else.

Could be an extra £500+pm which would be a real boon for you.

Artistbythewater · 21/11/2024 13:25

80smonster · 21/11/2024 13:20

Yes, you are rather nicely underlining how small minded villagers can be. My statement relies on data, unlike your opinion (which is not backed by data). worldpopulationreview.com/world-city-rankings/safest-cities-in-the-world

I am relying on the news every day. Stats mean very little as most people don’t even bother reporting the crime anymore!! Jeez.

Artistbythewater · 21/11/2024 13:23

Maybe you need to read a bit more? You don’t seem very switched on to the issues on your own doorstep..

Chocolatesnowman2 · 21/11/2024 13:22

The UK is full of lovely cheaper places to live than where you are .
Why would you put up with living where you have no money left for anything that makes life enjoyable.
Your husband can get a job elsewhere,doing something different
It's clear you can't afford to live there
People have to move areas and jobs all the time ,why stay somewhere when your quality of life is so poor

Artistbythewater · 21/11/2024 13:21

My friend lives in Richmond, hardly the Bronx

kingston.nub.news/news/local-news/richmond-park-cyclist-attacked-by-machete-wielding-gang-speaks-out

Maverick197 · 21/11/2024 13:20

The nursery years are tough. When your youngest one starts school and you don't have to pay nursery fees anymore you will feel like you won the lottery! I still remember the joy when after 5 years of nursery fees we were done with it!

Mortgage hikes and living in London is a pain, we also have to live in London for work and our mortgage recently went up by £500. We also live in an old house, lovely and cool in the summer but a complete nightmare in the winter!

Artistbythewater · 21/11/2024 13:20

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66604588.amp

80smonster · 21/11/2024 13:20

Artistbythewater · 21/11/2024 13:16

I lived in London for nearly 15 years. My dh still commutes there daily. I think we know what happens there 🙄🙄

Yes, you are rather nicely underlining how small minded villagers can be. My statement relies on data, unlike your opinion (which is not backed by data). worldpopulationreview.com/world-city-rankings/safest-cities-in-the-world

Artistbythewater · 21/11/2024 13:18

And not everywhere has crime on the scale of London !! Nothing remotely close. I love the place but it’s very very stressful living and working there. You have got used to it, but not everyone wants to get used to that level of stress.

80smonster · 21/11/2024 13:17

LBFseBrom · 21/11/2024 13:07

I agree. I've lived in London all my life and it's great. I've never in my life seen anyone wield a machete. There are dodgy areas everywhere, you just don't go to them on your own at night. When I was growing up (many moons ago), my mother used to warn me not to go to certain places, streets, etc (which of course made me want to investigate when I was old enough, and I did). There was crime, including violence, flick knives and various other things, just not on our manor. There is violent crime all over the world.

There is violent crime everywhere. Cities have denser populations, so you would expect a concentration of crime anywhere that you see a concentration of people. I’m a Londoner born and bred and although I have seen someone with a machete (don’t live in Catford people), I also witnessed a number of Londoners apprehend the person and hold them for the police. I’m 44 years old and that’s once. Anecdotally, villagers from other parts of the UK don’t really understand or like cities, but that is very separate from whether they are safe.

Artistbythewater · 21/11/2024 13:16

80smonster · 21/11/2024 12:58

Don’t believe everything you read in the papers, London is the 14th safest city in the world. You need to get out more, it’s a big old world out there…

I lived in London for nearly 15 years. My dh still commutes there daily. I think we know what happens there 🙄🙄

Beemum2 · 21/11/2024 13:15

doodleschnoodle · 21/11/2024 09:19

There's your answer then, OP, just reduce your earnings to £65k between the two of you and you'll manage fine as the government will throw money at you. Seems simple!

No need to be snarky, I actually do not take on extra shifts for this reason. Crossing the tax band means I lose tax free childcare and free hours with a higher tax bill which could leave me worse off. So it matters especially if kids are full time in nursery.

TheSecondMrsCampbellBlack · 21/11/2024 13:14

I do think older generations had it easier. When I was in my 20s I was earning £45k and the flat I bought in zone 2 was £100k, totally doable on one salary. That same flat is now worth about £400k so you'd need a salary of
over £100k to afford it.

LBFseBrom · 21/11/2024 13:07

80smonster · 21/11/2024 12:58

Don’t believe everything you read in the papers, London is the 14th safest city in the world. You need to get out more, it’s a big old world out there…

I agree. I've lived in London all my life and it's great. I've never in my life seen anyone wield a machete. There are dodgy areas everywhere, you just don't go to them on your own at night. When I was growing up (many moons ago), my mother used to warn me not to go to certain places, streets, etc (which of course made me want to investigate when I was old enough, and I did). There was crime, including violence, flick knives and various other things, just not on our manor. There is violent crime all over the world.

Epli · 21/11/2024 13:07

We've just had the same discussion yesterday. I've had a good corporate job and advanced pretty quickly. I always thought that getting to the level I am now would mean some degree of financial comfort, that I could go to a restaurant or buy something in Reiss or other similarly priced stores without even thinking. When I was starting my career it definitely looked like this was possible. But now the combination of mortgage + nursery fees is just killing us. I don't want to complain, we have a nice house and good life, but it feels we are less comfortable than the previous generation/

In my personal experience people that are similar age and seem very comfortable either were able to get on the property ladder very early thanks to the bank of mum and dad or did not have to pay nursery fees because their family was able to help.

Completelyjo · 21/11/2024 13:04

Artistbythewater · 21/11/2024 12:52

It’s nice that you like it there, but to wake up machete welding thugs, grime and crime and relentless noise would be my personal vision of hell. Theatre, art galleries, incredible musicians and restaurants and amazing festivals DO exist elsewhere without the danger and risk. Just saying.

Without the risk? Since when does crime only happen in London?

80smonster · 21/11/2024 12:58

Artistbythewater · 21/11/2024 12:52

It’s nice that you like it there, but to wake up machete welding thugs, grime and crime and relentless noise would be my personal vision of hell. Theatre, art galleries, incredible musicians and restaurants and amazing festivals DO exist elsewhere without the danger and risk. Just saying.

Don’t believe everything you read in the papers, London is the 14th safest city in the world. You need to get out more, it’s a big old world out there…

PinotPony · 21/11/2024 12:57

The house is the millstone around your neck. The mortgage is now unaffordable and it’s costing you a small fortune to run. If you can deal with that, you’d be in a much better position.

Although the trains are costly and unreliable, I really can’t see why your DH cannot commute into the City. The money you’d save on your property outgoings if you bought something smaller outside of London must easily outweigh the train fares.

Yes, it would mean that DH has a longer commute so isn’t around for the kids as much but that isn’t insurmountable.

Artistbythewater · 21/11/2024 12:52

80smonster · 21/11/2024 12:48

That’s good because London is pretty full already! Most Londoners cannot begin to envision the lack of culture etc. outside the M25. So much so you’ve got city types and doctors who’d rather live in a freezing cold house (with crippling bills), than move to a soulless Barrett’s home estate in the middle of… erm… nowhere. My idea of actual hell.

It’s nice that you like it there, but to wake up machete welding thugs, grime and crime and relentless noise would be my personal vision of hell. Theatre, art galleries, incredible musicians and restaurants and amazing festivals DO exist elsewhere without the danger and risk. Just saying.

TheSecondMrsCampbellBlack · 21/11/2024 12:49

Hey Op, I just wanted to sympathise. You haven't done anything wrong. It's fine to live in London and want to stay living in London, IIWY I'd ignore the chorus saying "Leave London! It will resolve everything!" because it won't necessarily.

Our mortgage has gone from £400 to £1200 a month and our gas and electricity from £300 to £500 a month so I know the feeling. We can afford it but we're lucky we can.

I think you've just had a baby so you're (understandably) emotional; you're cold, as are we all, it's freezing and you're wondering how you ended up here. I think you don't have to do anything right now, except enjoy your baby and hope it gets better. Mortgage rates might go down, as might electricity and gas costs. The nursery costs will go in the end but you'll still need some childcare so factor that in but don't worry about it for now. Sorry you're so fed up, I get the "why are we not better off?" feeling and sympathise.

80smonster · 21/11/2024 12:48

OrlandointheWilderness · 21/11/2024 08:54

Well yes, @80smonster, simply because it's an incredibly expensive place to live!
There is also a fairly significant part of me that cannot comprehend the desire to live there, but that's a personal chip on my shoulder which I apologise for.

That’s good because London is pretty full already! Most Londoners cannot begin to envision the lack of culture etc. outside the M25. So much so you’ve got city types and doctors who’d rather live in a freezing cold house (with crippling bills), than move to a soulless Barrett’s home estate in the middle of… erm… nowhere. My idea of actual hell.

Dreambow · 21/11/2024 12:34

@EvangelicalAboutButteredToast this. I do feel priced out having children now because of the increased costs with everything else as well as childcare. Seriously worried about lifting of council tax.

@MulberryPeony thank you. It’s really strange to look back at old receipts - literally rolling in it then!

A few pp mentioned Australia and private practice. I could do private practice but didn’t really want to but I will have to relook at it again.

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