Greg wallace

DP said to me tonight...

Most of the complaints we're hearing about now are pretty old stuff, from before he got warned...

So barring the letter from Dawn Elrick and the Big Weekend complaints from 2019 (which reasonably, may actually have occurred prior to his warning in 2018, given how far ahead some things are filmed)...

Why's it come up now. Is it unreasonable to think that we haven't heard about some fairly major issue/complaint from much more recently that is being investigated and can't yet be published?

I bet a few people are worried that things might be leaked about them now.
I can't see GW going down without a fight and I wouldn't put anything past him now his been exposed. A few dirty tactics and ' tip offs' and more stories might emerge to cause damage limitation / revenge.

He's already tried to use autism.

I agree with this.

Also, I think there is usually (not always but usually) a certain degree of rough justice in the world.

So people who make stupid mistakes but who take responsibility and are otherwise fairly ok people, get a second chance.

Eg Hugh Grant, and Ant McPartlin.

People who are unremittingly awful to everyone on their way up and don’t accept responsibility eventually get their comeuppance;

Eg Philip Schofield, Huw Edwards, and now GW.

It’s obviously taking far too long to identify and expose the second group but it’s a balance between people being unfairly accused and people getting what they deserve!

Hmmm. But the social norms you refer to are generally shared by the majority; that’s what makes them norms. Sharing family photos online is mainstream now (though it might not be in the future, true). But making people uncomfortable with sexualised comments is unacceptable now and was unacceptable 20 years ago. His behaviour is being commented upon because it’s outside the accepted norm.

Innocent until proven guilty? No, "kill the pig, slit it's throat, drain it's blood".
Much as I hate game shows and talentless contests, and this creature seems and sounds to be odious he has not to our knowledge committed a crime, and is subject to.an internal enquiry and whatever punishment may be decreed IF found responsible.

His classist, sexist and ageist comments are beneath contempt.

Sorry “ not saying it is relevant.” And “ not sure HOW to say that more clearly.”

Typing very rapidly and distracted with tasks so missed edit window!

You’re totally correct. What a load of old shit

Again, I reiterate I specifically said I am nit saying it usctelevant in THIS particular instance. I’m not sure his to say that more clearly.

But specific instances don’t exist in vacuums, and thought needs to be given to how far it gets taken.

I don’t really think of it from the excuses pov; it’s more thinking about the retrospective aspect from a policy perspective. I - or you - could be doing things seemed normal now but which might be frowned on in years to come. I gave the example of posting on SM when it involves other people’s information. It’s important when dealing with these types of things that we think what we are establishing as acceptable reaching backwards. I highly suspect any of this business will be too recent and too clear cut for it to be an issue, but was simply raising that there is an issue around how things are framed.

@Swivelhead but those things have been headline news too and discussed on social media and on here. We can talk about more things than one you know. And actually tackling misogyny and sexual harassment in workplace and misusing your power as a man are important discussions. Let's face it most evils in this world are down to men misusing/wielding their power.

And those media luvvies you talk about, most of them were employees. The ones we have names for are the celebrities but others impacted are lower paid general employees. And this as we know is the tip of the iceberg on how women are treated in many organisations. Surely, that is worth discussing. I hope the more men they flush out the more women will feel empowered to talk about their experiences.

There is a huge issue with misogyny/sexual harassment in schools. Read the Ofsted Review on peer on peer abuse in schools, it is frightening. Maybe having the discussions we are having at the moment will help reduce the sexual harassment etc girls are experiencing in school. Because otherwise these young lads grow up to be causing even more problems than they are at the moment

Right.

They're only too delighted for us to be getting in a dither about a cookery show co-presenter rather than talking about British missiles being fired into Russia, the cancellation of the winter fuel payment , the fact so many people haven't been able to see their GP face to face since before the pandemic, the reasons custody of Sara Sharif was awarded to her evil father... where the hell do we begin to talk about the shit we're in?

But fuck all that, some bald cunt made some sexual innuendos to fellow media luvvies.

I agree with you.

No, the whole issue of "things were different then" is irrelevant to the case of Wallace and his behaviour. It was not acceptable "in his day" and it isn't acceptible now (and up until the recent publicity his behaviour certainly hadn't changed). Ditto the classist bollocks that he is "working class" implying its acceptable to working class people (also not true then or now).

All the guff about children's seatbelts and images is simple whataboutery and nothing to do with Wallace whatsoever.

It's unbelievable. With everything that's going on in the world and in this country.

Maybe he’s snapped at people forgetting the extra G on the end of Greg?

He WISHES he was a middle class woman.
Jealousy is an ugly thing, Greggles.

But I think this sort of thinking is just making excuses. Think of all the decent men. They knew not to behave like this - even (gasp!) before the turn of the millennium. Decent men never did this.

You will see I twice put a qualification in my post that I wasn’t suggesting that the notion of changing norms applied in this particular case. I only mentioned it as it bears on the topic more generally.

Wallace is 60. He and I are not that far apart in age. This kind of overt predatory behaviour was not acceptable when I was young either.

I find it laughable also to excuse him on grounds of being working class. I grew up in a poor working class community and none of the men I grew up around would have considered this kind of lechy, slimy behaviour acceptable around women.

from some of the comments on another thread he has a few and they are on here!

@Swivelhead so misogyny and sexual harassment not important then