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To have refused to sign this parenting contract about attendance

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NoContract · 20/11/2024 17:55

Dd is 15. Attendance is very low (62%). Has never been above 80% since starting secondary.

Dd has multiple medical issues. We have given so many letters from consultants. For the last year if she has for example had a regular illness eg d and v we have had to get proof (a GP appt) or threats of fines are immediate.

Today I was asked to sign a contract that I will make sure attendance improves. I refused as I have no control over it - I’m really thinking now that home education is the only way forward ? Because I refused I was told there will be further referrals made ? Feel like I’m going mad and talking to a brick wall if it was that simple and I could sort things out I would have ??!!

Dd has asked me not to disclose the conditions as there are a lot and may be identifying. I’m able to say they are all long term / permanent and that we are currently not having much luck finding effective therapies

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MadeInYorkshire69 · 21/11/2024 19:03

Just to say I’m sorry this is happening to you. I used to be a SENCO and in situations like this I would intervene and override whatever ridiculous attendance meeting system was in vogue.
There should be a medical support plan put in place for your child. Next time you are called in ask the SENCO to arrange a school nurse to come and help with putting something in place. Your local LEA SEN service may also have advisors that can be called in.
Keep fighting mamma.

laraitopbanana · 21/11/2024 18:37

EvilsElsasPetSnowman · 20/11/2024 18:06

YANBU

Its just shocking and patronising.

Who can we as a collective speak to about this nonsense? I’m sick of school obsessing about attendance (by kids are both at 100% so I have no skin in the game). They also tell the kids they’ll basically be failures if they don’t have 95%+ which really angers me as your opportunities don’t end at the age of bloody 16. it’s unrealistic and it treats children like numbers

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@EvilsElsasPetSnowman
It is, isn’t it? Absolutely ludicrous! I think a good newspaper page would do it. They will most certainly hate the mum but leave the poor kid alone…probably leave the mum alone too tbh.

A good cry in the headteacher office would work too maybe? « Can you please ask your peop to back off? »

Op, good luck 🌺
all in all and looking at health issues…it is JUST school. It is obvious she can’t, they seem vile…best to get rid?

myslippersarepink · 21/11/2024 18:32

I got this email the other day:

The aim at our Academy is that all students achieve at least 100% attendance and arrive at school on time.
We are writing to you to let you know we are now monitoring your child’s attendance as it has now dropped below our academic expectations.
Currently your child’s attendance is 92.55 %
We have 4 weeks left of this term and are putting in weekly incentives on the best improved attendance.
I'm so tempted to ask them if they want 'at least 100% attendance' what percentage should we be aiming for?!!! Grin

BooBooDoodle · 21/11/2024 18:26

School need to help get her attendance up so I’d ask for a reduced timetable and go from there. If you have an EHCP this can be written into it and school have to accommodate her needs. If you haven’t an EHCP pressure school and your GP to refer for one.

NoContract · 21/11/2024 18:21

OhcantthInkofaname · 21/11/2024 18:08

Do you feel capable of handling her education/instruction?

Yes I feel I could , I’d rather she went to school though but I will have to see how things go and if the school can actually start to be supportive.

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NoContract · 21/11/2024 18:15

HousefulofIkea · 21/11/2024 18:11

Tbh OP with a child at school attendance as low as yours you really need to rethink your thresholds 37.8 is barely a temp.
I suspect the real reason for the contract is that the school are trying to get through to you that you need to be a bit tougher on when she gets to stay home.
A very very slight temperature in and of itself isnt a reason to stay home as a teenager! Many peoples temp is a little higher at certain points in their menstrual cycle for eg.

I explained in that post as an example 37.8 with other symptoms

When a child has multiple medical issues they can be totally wiped out by minor illnesses that others can either overcome easily or still go about their usual routine it’s very different when you have other conditions alongside that are affected by viruses etc.

If that is what the school are trying to do then it’s not going to have an impact on me and I certainly won’t be putting their wants above my child’s needs.

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HousefulofIkea · 21/11/2024 18:11

NoContract · 21/11/2024 08:18

Yes we were asked a few months ago to provide our ‘thresholds’ I had to put in writing the reasons I would keep dd off if she was ill I explained things like : If she had a high temperature (but they wanted to set a threshold of 38 and for it to be checked by the school and verified - I said no if she’s clearly unwell and it’s for example 37.8 I would make the decision to keep her off and I wouldn’t be dragging her in all the way to them with no paracetamol to lower it just so they could see it for themselves the compromise is GP verifies but my gp is happy to accept a photo of the reading and will then add it to the record for me to screenshot), also things like D and V or flare ups of any of the chronic conditions .

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Tbh OP with a child at school attendance as low as yours you really need to rethink your thresholds 37.8 is barely a temp.
I suspect the real reason for the contract is that the school are trying to get through to you that you need to be a bit tougher on when she gets to stay home.
A very very slight temperature in and of itself isnt a reason to stay home as a teenager! Many peoples temp is a little higher at certain points in their menstrual cycle for eg.

OhcantthInkofaname · 21/11/2024 18:08

Do you feel capable of handling her education/instruction?

Moll2020 · 21/11/2024 18:00

NoContract · 20/11/2024 17:55

Dd is 15. Attendance is very low (62%). Has never been above 80% since starting secondary.

Dd has multiple medical issues. We have given so many letters from consultants. For the last year if she has for example had a regular illness eg d and v we have had to get proof (a GP appt) or threats of fines are immediate.

Today I was asked to sign a contract that I will make sure attendance improves. I refused as I have no control over it - I’m really thinking now that home education is the only way forward ? Because I refused I was told there will be further referrals made ? Feel like I’m going mad and talking to a brick wall if it was that simple and I could sort things out I would have ??!!

Dd has asked me not to disclose the conditions as there are a lot and may be identifying. I’m able to say they are all long term / permanent and that we are currently not having much luck finding effective therapies

Has the school got a Home Liaison Officer/Family Engagement Officer who is actually involved with attendance?

M3ganne · 21/11/2024 09:49

It sounds like a cold hard school, the polar opposite of the nurturing environment i aspire for my children. Where is the respect for the parent and NHS, with their deep knowledge of their child? Shooting off letters and demands like little hitlers, with little positive parental rapport, creative problem solving or reflection. Children are little humans and not little machines.

yabbadabbadonot · 21/11/2024 08:27

FixingStuff · 20/11/2024 18:05

Get the school do apply for the EHCP. They will do it better.

That is not always the case!

My friend tried to get an EHCP for her son. The school were shocking and kept
delaying as they didn't want to do it. When they did finally do it, they left so much important and relevant information out.

Her son's social worker threw it in the bin and said it wasn't worth the paper it was written on.

My friend ended up doing it herself and was successful in obtaining it.

NoContract · 21/11/2024 08:18

SharpOpalNewt · 21/11/2024 07:53

@Worriedmummmm

Hear hear. People doing your job @LittleHangleton made our situation far more stressful than it needed to be for over three years at secondary school with the constant threat of fines and prosecution.

We were treated like deadbeat parents who could not be arsed to get DD2 to school, or who were letting DD2 stay off for a sniffle, or taking her on endless term time holidays. I wish! It could not have been further from the truth. We'd have liked nothing more than for DD2 to just go to school! How easy that would have been compared to what we went through every day.

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Yes we were asked a few months ago to provide our ‘thresholds’ I had to put in writing the reasons I would keep dd off if she was ill I explained things like : If she had a high temperature (but they wanted to set a threshold of 38 and for it to be checked by the school and verified - I said no if she’s clearly unwell and it’s for example 37.8 I would make the decision to keep her off and I wouldn’t be dragging her in all the way to them with no paracetamol to lower it just so they could see it for themselves the compromise is GP verifies but my gp is happy to accept a photo of the reading and will then add it to the record for me to screenshot), also things like D and V or flare ups of any of the chronic conditions .

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SharpOpalNewt · 21/11/2024 07:53

Worriedmummmm · 20/11/2024 21:09

I know you’re getting quoted left right and centre, but PLEASE, as part of your role, can you look at what the school can do to improve the situation? It is not about sending out teams of letters and looking forward to escalation. If you have sent out 100 letters it suggests that there are serious issues with the school. The tone of your post is appalling and short sighted.

I look at the lives of children in hundreds of schools and the lengths some schools go to to help the children in is humbling. I do hope you are focussing on what is right for each child, instead of focussing on what the parent should do. For every parent who could do better, there is a parent desperate for their child to be happy in school. I write this in full understanding that there are parents who are failing their children by not supporting their education. I urge you to not tar us all with the same brush.

OP my dd attendance is around 70% - she missed one day in every ten for medical appointments; this will increase in December. She also usually misses at least half a day a week - not always, but often. Sometimes I drop her off and just wait for the call to pick her up. My dd does all her homework and is doing well in all submitted work and scores highly in tests. So I believe you when you say your dd is doing well despite her poor attendance. It can be done! Well done to your dd.

Your dd’s school sound horrific. If the issues are mental they need to work with your dd around addressing these, providing a quiet space etc. If they are physical, there is nothing that can be done is there? I would absolutely start raising this now; speak to educational welfare, organise DLA (it is an entry pathway to assistance and helps with disability recognition) and raise with Ofsted and the governors. Definitely raise with the council that they are threatening fines over lack of medical exemption for D&V; fines are not up to them and they are causing your daughter to miss more education by going to the doctors for no reason. I would also write to your MP - you need to get someone’s interest high up. Do not accept off-rolling and do not home educate - I’m assuming she is doing GCSES this academic year or next? So she needs to stay put as any disruption would hinder her chances. The exam fees are also prohibitive and if you home educate you would be liable for all.

Good luck and I hope things start to improve for her. Well done on not signing the contract. If you did, you accepting that there is an element of choice over the absence. I am assuming you are doing all you can, don’t be afraid to ask for help.

@Worriedmummmm

Hear hear. People doing your job @LittleHangleton made our situation far more stressful than it needed to be for over three years at secondary school with the constant threat of fines and prosecution.

We were treated like deadbeat parents who could not be arsed to get DD2 to school, or who were letting DD2 stay off for a sniffle, or taking her on endless term time holidays. I wish! It could not have been further from the truth. We'd have liked nothing more than for DD2 to just go to school! How easy that would have been compared to what we went through every day.

SpringleDingle · 21/11/2024 07:46

LittleHangleton · 20/11/2024 20:08

I'm an Attendance Lead (newly appointed) at a school with historically low attendance. I'm challenging this can't do culture. As a result, we've sent out over 100 attendance contracts since half term.

In terms of signing it, doesn't matter to me if you don't. I just write "parent refused to sign" on the document and carry on with it anyway. When it gets yo the penalty notice fine, not signing it just makes the parent look worse.

Moving on to illness, fo you have a medical professional willing to put in writing that this child cannot reasonably attend school more than 80%? If so, school have lots of options to support you.

However, GPs will on the whole want to promote good attendance at school. If the GP doesn't think your child's health needs warrants 1-2 school days off a week, you need to accept your child needs to attend more and figure out what the actual barrier to attending is. It takes some deep reflection on why the child isnt getting their education. Is it to do with sleep habits, rules and boundaries, behaviour issues, lack of resilience, permissive parenting, lack of assertive adults, taking the path of least resistance?

I think you underestimate the complete lack of understanding and support the average school provides kids with issues. I understand it, you just have the resources to treat children as individuals and to take the time to really put effective support measures in place. You support those with the issues that most impact YOU as a school (the violent to teacher variety!) and ignore the needs of the rest. I am highly educated and a huge proponent of education for young people but I finally lost patience with school and their inability to support my child. I’ve chosen to home educate via online school which allows me the control and for my child to still pursue her GCSEs. It’s black and white thinking like yours that pushed us here.

SpringleDingle · 21/11/2024 07:40

Don’t expect school to help you or for getting an EHCP to be at all easy. Getting them to grant a reduced timetable is nigh on impossible. You can try all these things but ime they take so long your DD will have aged out of school before anything is done. Home Ed has saved us.

itsgettingweird · 21/11/2024 07:17

EvilNextDoor Grow up, someone who knows their job, as that poster clearly does, probably faces uninformed keyboard warriors like you on a daily basis and will be well able to put you in your place.

From someone whose role includes supporting attendance for pupils I can assure you the above poster new to their job has NO IDEA what she's talking about.

You cannot just say "sign this" and expect improved attendance.

And where there are some issues with the parenting causing attendance you need to put in the support. If you have a parent who hated school and left with no qualifications yet has a good life whose child says the same they aren't just going to say "you have to go".

Engagement with families in a nurturing way makes all the difference.

Raindropskeepfallinonmyhead · 21/11/2024 00:09

Following

LoremIpsumCici · 20/11/2024 23:30

LittleHangleton · 20/11/2024 20:08

I'm an Attendance Lead (newly appointed) at a school with historically low attendance. I'm challenging this can't do culture. As a result, we've sent out over 100 attendance contracts since half term.

In terms of signing it, doesn't matter to me if you don't. I just write "parent refused to sign" on the document and carry on with it anyway. When it gets yo the penalty notice fine, not signing it just makes the parent look worse.

Moving on to illness, fo you have a medical professional willing to put in writing that this child cannot reasonably attend school more than 80%? If so, school have lots of options to support you.

However, GPs will on the whole want to promote good attendance at school. If the GP doesn't think your child's health needs warrants 1-2 school days off a week, you need to accept your child needs to attend more and figure out what the actual barrier to attending is. It takes some deep reflection on why the child isnt getting their education. Is it to do with sleep habits, rules and boundaries, behaviour issues, lack of resilience, permissive parenting, lack of assertive adults, taking the path of least resistance?

Was your last job with DWP sanctioning people in hospitals for having a can’t do attitude towards work?

LoremIpsumCici · 20/11/2024 23:23

This is awful to read & the school is entirely unreasonable.

I would hold your ground. You did the right thing by refusing to sign the contract. Let them do their referrals. I would stop providing evidence for regular illness as you are the authority on it and they have no right to demand you take your DD to the GP for every absence. Tell them if they issue a fine, you will see them in court and win (trust me you will win- been there done that).

It appears to me they are trying to manipulate you into home schooling because they can’t be arsed to give your DD the accommodations she has a legal right to while ensuring her education. They just want her off their books. They likely have low expectations and think she has no future which is disgustingly ableist given how hard your DD works.

You could consider looking for a school that won’t engage in such ableist bullying.

You could consider filing complaints with the local education authority, your MP and Ofsted.

CherryBlossom321 · 20/11/2024 23:16

spirit20 · 20/11/2024 22:34

@EvilNextDoor Grow up, someone who knows their job, as that poster clearly does, probably faces uninformed keyboard warriors like you on a daily basis and will be well able to put you in your place.

OP, what you are describing doesn't sound normal for a school. If you have provided them with clear evidence of your daughters illness, they are normally very understanding. They will only act the way the way you describe if they have doubts about how true it is.

This actually sounds very normal for most schools. They are normally lacking in understanding. Often wilfully.

CherryBlossom321 · 20/11/2024 23:14

LittleHangleton · 20/11/2024 20:08

I'm an Attendance Lead (newly appointed) at a school with historically low attendance. I'm challenging this can't do culture. As a result, we've sent out over 100 attendance contracts since half term.

In terms of signing it, doesn't matter to me if you don't. I just write "parent refused to sign" on the document and carry on with it anyway. When it gets yo the penalty notice fine, not signing it just makes the parent look worse.

Moving on to illness, fo you have a medical professional willing to put in writing that this child cannot reasonably attend school more than 80%? If so, school have lots of options to support you.

However, GPs will on the whole want to promote good attendance at school. If the GP doesn't think your child's health needs warrants 1-2 school days off a week, you need to accept your child needs to attend more and figure out what the actual barrier to attending is. It takes some deep reflection on why the child isnt getting their education. Is it to do with sleep habits, rules and boundaries, behaviour issues, lack of resilience, permissive parenting, lack of assertive adults, taking the path of least resistance?

I sincerely hope that you are indeed reflecting deeply on this widespread problem, and considering those barriers which schools are responsible for: bullying, harassment, discrimination, disrespect, lack of toilet access, unreasonable draconian rules and restrictions, seizing of lunch food, SEND students with unmet needs, fear based and authoritarian leadership, lack of compassion and empathy…?

TheCatterall · 20/11/2024 23:04

@NoContract massive squishes. Don’t sign the contract and throw everything @prh47bridge said at them. That’s what I was trying to find so glad she’s said it so succinctly.

prh47bridge · 20/11/2024 22:55

nooschmoo · 20/11/2024 22:26

School is your first point of contact to ask, as they fill out the referral forms.

OP shouldn't have to ask the school to do this. They are required by law to provide a sickness return to the LA if OP's daughter has missed, or is expected to miss, 15 or more days in a school year due to sickness.

spirit20 · 20/11/2024 22:50

NoContract · 20/11/2024 22:38

I’ve given proof of everything so I don’t understand how they could doubt it ?

That is what I find a bit strange. I used to have a role which was very much involved with things like this in a school but I can't give any more advice without knowing more specific information, so can't be of much help unfortunately. Perhaps go above the school and contact the local authority directly (apologies if you've already done that).

NoContract · 20/11/2024 22:38

spirit20 · 20/11/2024 22:34

@EvilNextDoor Grow up, someone who knows their job, as that poster clearly does, probably faces uninformed keyboard warriors like you on a daily basis and will be well able to put you in your place.

OP, what you are describing doesn't sound normal for a school. If you have provided them with clear evidence of your daughters illness, they are normally very understanding. They will only act the way the way you describe if they have doubts about how true it is.

I’ve given proof of everything so I don’t understand how they could doubt it ?

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