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To have refused to sign this parenting contract about attendance

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NoContract · 20/11/2024 17:55

Dd is 15. Attendance is very low (62%). Has never been above 80% since starting secondary.

Dd has multiple medical issues. We have given so many letters from consultants. For the last year if she has for example had a regular illness eg d and v we have had to get proof (a GP appt) or threats of fines are immediate.

Today I was asked to sign a contract that I will make sure attendance improves. I refused as I have no control over it - I’m really thinking now that home education is the only way forward ? Because I refused I was told there will be further referrals made ? Feel like I’m going mad and talking to a brick wall if it was that simple and I could sort things out I would have ??!!

Dd has asked me not to disclose the conditions as there are a lot and may be identifying. I’m able to say they are all long term / permanent and that we are currently not having much luck finding effective therapies

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ScaryM0nster · 22/11/2024 08:29

Taking into account the chronic health conditions, I’d be tempted to go down the route of ‘I’ll absolutely sign a contract to work on increasing her participation in education, once there’s an appropriate ECHP in place. With the amount you’re raising her attendance, you clearly see it as a significant issue that’s impacting her education - and as the medical
professionals have stated on multiple occasions this is a result of her conditions.’

(Key word being participation rather than attendance. Some good quality remote learning provision may be actually useful for you and her).

springtulips1 · 22/11/2024 08:22

Agapornis · 21/11/2024 22:28

Fwiw the setting of a temperature threshold is ridiculous - I have a very low basic body temperature (below 36) and a health condition, so 38° is a really bad fever for me, I feel shit at 37.5. My normal temp is so low that I got odd looks from shop staff with forehead temp readers during covid...

Please do what you can for your daughter under Equality Law.

Agree, I consider myself being unwell if I get to 37, because I usually run much cooler!

NoContract · 22/11/2024 07:14

ThisCandidHiker · 21/11/2024 23:12

Have you engaged with the school nurse? Does your DD have a care plan (not an EHCP), a plan purely for health? Have the school offered home tuition? Have you spoken with the pastoral lead?

She has a support plan for things like previously not doing PE (not relevant now as doesn’t have to anymore) plus various help around school / toilet pass / lunch pass etc etc

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CatherineDurrant · 22/11/2024 06:12

Chocolatesnowman2 · 20/11/2024 18:17

I'd probably do a complaint to school and copy in high up in lea and governors .
I'd detail all her illnesses and and the information and include copies of the letters .I'd be saying it was discrimination and harassment against a vulnerable pupil ..

This, 100%.

If you sign it, you're indicating that past absences were in some way avoidable. They weren't. You have been providing evidence of her medical appointments and condition. Your Dd clearly needs support in her situation, not harassment.

Complaints process time. I'd ask them to acknowledge your evidence to put a stop to the inappropriate dishonestly insinuation, then work with you to help your Dd recover her learning.

I don't accept that schools have to send these letters out. We're the adults here and admin need to act like it.

DC2008 · 21/11/2024 23:19

FixingStuff · 20/11/2024 18:05

Get the school do apply for the EHCP. They will do it better.

Nope! Then they are in charge of timescales and could drag it out. Do it yourself then you have more control. IPSEA website is very helpful.

ThisCandidHiker · 21/11/2024 23:12

Have you engaged with the school nurse? Does your DD have a care plan (not an EHCP), a plan purely for health? Have the school offered home tuition? Have you spoken with the pastoral lead?

NoContract · 21/11/2024 22:44

TriangleLight · 21/11/2024 22:41

I think it’s important to support her being in school more, and it’s not all just tickboxes, it’s about the welfare of the child.

I think you should perhaps be a little more open minded about the concerns. They clearly don’t believe the reasons for all the absences and are worried about it.

In that case they need to contact the consultants and the GP as it’s their letters they would be questioning.

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TriangleLight · 21/11/2024 22:41

I think it’s important to support her being in school more, and it’s not all just tickboxes, it’s about the welfare of the child.

I think you should perhaps be a little more open minded about the concerns. They clearly don’t believe the reasons for all the absences and are worried about it.

NoContract · 21/11/2024 22:36

TriangleLight · 21/11/2024 22:34

Maybe a referral for further help would be good for you and your DD? It sounds as though there are ongoing issues.

What “therapies” have been tried? Maybe some outside input would help your dd to cope with school and get her back to be with her peers

Dd is seen regularly by consultants plus other health professionals. The last thing we need is more appointments, it’s stressful enough keeping up with it all and adding more would just be too much. If it would make a difference it might be worth it but she’s under all the medical teams and they are the ones capable of helping. I don’t want more appts just so the school can tick boxes

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TriangleLight · 21/11/2024 22:34

Maybe a referral for further help would be good for you and your DD? It sounds as though there are ongoing issues.

What “therapies” have been tried? Maybe some outside input would help your dd to cope with school and get her back to be with her peers

NoContract · 21/11/2024 22:33

Agapornis · 21/11/2024 22:28

Fwiw the setting of a temperature threshold is ridiculous - I have a very low basic body temperature (below 36) and a health condition, so 38° is a really bad fever for me, I feel shit at 37.5. My normal temp is so low that I got odd looks from shop staff with forehead temp readers during covid...

Please do what you can for your daughter under Equality Law.

Apparently this is what the nhs advice is the school sent me a link to the page and said they want it to be 38 or over and from their thermometer which I said absolutely no to

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Agapornis · 21/11/2024 22:28

Fwiw the setting of a temperature threshold is ridiculous - I have a very low basic body temperature (below 36) and a health condition, so 38° is a really bad fever for me, I feel shit at 37.5. My normal temp is so low that I got odd looks from shop staff with forehead temp readers during covid...

Please do what you can for your daughter under Equality Law.

springtulips1 · 21/11/2024 22:13

NoContract · 21/11/2024 21:57

They have had multiple letters from dd’s consultants, they seem to accept it all and then ask for GP proof of all other illnesses . I feel as if they are having to maybe give these letters to someone ‘higher up’ (The council attendance officer maybe?) as it’s so strict they havent said they doubt any illnesses outright but I feel as if I’m not believed . The wanting clarification over my thresholds as well felt like they were looking for a reason to criticise my parenting.

That make sense, I think that’s often the case. The whole system needs an overhaul. It’s a horrible to feel challenged and criticised.

I think some aspects they do have to be curious about because some children DO miss school for reasons relating to parenting or the parent’s needs, sometimes becomes a safeguarding issue, so some questioning is needed but it’s also about how that’s delivered.

I highly doubt you would be fined and I would try to not worry about that. I’ve been in court where a parent who really was at fault and the child’s absences were almost wholly due to parenting issues, and she got off. I cannot imagine where there is medical evidence, a court would not see this as legitimate.

NoContract · 21/11/2024 21:57

springtulips1 · 21/11/2024 21:13

Are you getting the sense they actually don’t believe you, or they do but feel their hands are tied and they have to follow this process?

Because the latter is the stance I am seeing from schools a lot (work in health but work closely with schools). Most the staff i speak to also don’t agree but there is so much pressure from above, that they feel forced to enforce these procedures.

They have had multiple letters from dd’s consultants, they seem to accept it all and then ask for GP proof of all other illnesses . I feel as if they are having to maybe give these letters to someone ‘higher up’ (The council attendance officer maybe?) as it’s so strict they havent said they doubt any illnesses outright but I feel as if I’m not believed . The wanting clarification over my thresholds as well felt like they were looking for a reason to criticise my parenting.

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springtulips1 · 21/11/2024 21:13

NoContract · 20/11/2024 22:38

I’ve given proof of everything so I don’t understand how they could doubt it ?

Are you getting the sense they actually don’t believe you, or they do but feel their hands are tied and they have to follow this process?

Because the latter is the stance I am seeing from schools a lot (work in health but work closely with schools). Most the staff i speak to also don’t agree but there is so much pressure from above, that they feel forced to enforce these procedures.

WonderingWanda · 21/11/2024 21:08

The school are being ridiculous.

Op have you heard of these? www.noisolation.com/uk

You mentioned your dd doing homework in bed and the school could try and organise one of these robots, it will appease their attendance figures and your dd can still access lessons.

Bowies · 21/11/2024 21:05

You shouldn’t have to provide a medical letter every time she is unwell with a chronic illness and agree this is a ridiculous waste of resources.

Are the conditions disclosed to the school? Will they accept one letter which outlines her conditions and how they are expected to affect her attendance?

Can you engage with someone further up in the school and/or is there a school nurse you could make an appointment with to discuss the situation. There should be one even if they may cover several schools.

On the days she is unwell can she manage her condition so she can go in later?

LlynTegid · 21/11/2024 20:59

Regardless of the situation you face, you were being asked to sign something you did not feel able to do, and so chose to be honest. I hope things for your DD can change for the better.

Lying is not something you should be teaching anyone.

springtulips1 · 21/11/2024 20:58

Octavia64 · 20/11/2024 18:18

You are very unlikely to be fined.

Schools are under a massive amount of pressure on attendance. They have very little leeway and the government has published guidelines that they have to follow.

They can't make you sign the contract.

If you actually want your daughter in school then I would recommend:

Ask to speak to the SENCO and tell them you are applying for an EHCP for her on medical grounds. This both means the school has to do a lot more paperwork and means that if the school refer further up the line for fines the expectation is that the school have put things in place to support her, not just threatening you.

In normal circumstances the school would apply but parents can apply themselves.

You may need a bit of talking through the process so have a look at the SEN boards on Mumsnet. There are also charities that give advice on the process.

I would also make clear that you consider your daughter disabled under the equalities act definition (impact on her life lasting more than six months) and that you expect them to put reasonable adjustments in place.

Then ask for whatever you want - she carries her own drugs in school, biscuits in lessons if diabetic, Room to rest in if she is tired.

Then when they start hassling you about attendance you hassle back on the reasonable adjustments. So if they email saying please sign a contract you email back saying you haven't put all the reasonable adjustments in place let me know when you are ready to support her disability and we can talk.

They will back off. You may also get an EHCp and some helpful changes.

Basically all of this!!

NoContract · 21/11/2024 20:50

HousefulofIkea · 21/11/2024 20:35

Its hard to say really when you haven't been willing to share what these multiple medical conditions are
I have a feeling your the poster from a previous thread where the multiple medical conditions were anxiety and very painful periods, but you didnt want her to try the pill to alleviate things.

Dd has requested that I don’t share her medical information online. I had mentioned that I wanted to post for advice. I have to respect her wishes over her confidentiality. What I can confirm is that she doesn’t suffer from anxiety or any period problems . Her diagnoses are chronic long term physical conditions.

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HousefulofIkea · 21/11/2024 20:35

NoContract · 21/11/2024 18:15

I explained in that post as an example 37.8 with other symptoms

When a child has multiple medical issues they can be totally wiped out by minor illnesses that others can either overcome easily or still go about their usual routine it’s very different when you have other conditions alongside that are affected by viruses etc.

If that is what the school are trying to do then it’s not going to have an impact on me and I certainly won’t be putting their wants above my child’s needs.

Its hard to say really when you haven't been willing to share what these multiple medical conditions are
I have a feeling your the poster from a previous thread where the multiple medical conditions were anxiety and very painful periods, but you didnt want her to try the pill to alleviate things.

itsgettingweird · 21/11/2024 20:09

Sorry 37.8°!

itsgettingweird · 21/11/2024 20:09

A temp of 38.7 can be really debilitating for some with LT health issues.

My ds temp has been known to drop as low as 33° when he's Ill (usually it's in the 34-35 range when poorly).

I wouldn't be sending him in because it's not reached 38°!!!

pollymere · 21/11/2024 20:05

I would let them refer you to Social Services. They will look at your situation and how well you look after your child and tell the school to back off. It's also quite handy should your child need support post-school because you're already in the system.

Pixiedust88 · 21/11/2024 19:09

Not 100% the same but I was asked to sign something where I used to work to improve my attendance and punctuality. I have a stomach ulcer, fibromyalgia and colitis. I have flare ups of my fibromyalgia and colitis and either can’t walk or can’t get off the toilet. I had flexible working agreed in the event of a flare up with my fibromyalgia as it affected my mobility and not the ability to answer the phone. Obviously with colitis I didn’t have this as you can’t realistically answer the phone to a customer while sitting on the toilet with the explosive shits. I didn’t want to disclose the colitis originally but after the first couple of flare ups I had to. HR were fine but the head of department was vile about it. He insisted I provide medical evidence of a flare up every time I had one.

if your son doesn’t want to disclose it to the school that’s his choice but it makes it harder to argue he has a medical condition which causes low attendance if the school aren’t aware of it

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