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It's a MIL one - stop me before I say something I'll regret

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Bounty9 · 20/11/2024 14:15

I'll start out by saying DH and I have been together for 12 years and I had a wonderful relationship with MIL before kids got thrown into the mix.

SIL had her little boy 3.5 years ago and he was the centre of the universe, understandably. We then had DD 1 year later and honestly, she paled in comparison in MIL eyes - there has been obvious favouritism the entire time, and it's been pretty exhausting, ending in quite a big argument last September on a big family holiday, which marked the end of group holidays. But bridges have been rebuilt and we basically stopped doing things as a large group, and encouraged 1:1 time with MIL and DD instead, which was going well, DD adores her.

We decided this year to book a 3 day getaway, me, DH and DD and invite MIL and FIL and pay for them as a thank you for all the holidays they've taken us on over the years. it's a centre parcs break. We are travelling up, staying one full day and then travelling back. It's about a 1.5 hour drive. This has been in the diary since summer, and we all knew the dates.

MIL has text me today to say she has 'unintentionally' double booked and it's DGS nativity play on the only full day we are there, so they are going to drive back for it in the morning, and then come back in the evening - essentially they will be gone for 6 hours. We'd booked a santa visit, lunch etc that and I'm bloody hurt that she couldn't just say no this time.

I know it doesn't matter. DD is going to have the best time, we are going to have lovely family time, but ffs just when you think she can't let you down again.

AIBU to feel upset about this? I haven't replied yet. I want to just say forget it, don't come if you're going to miss half the trip and activities, but DH thinks we should just let them do as they please and not let it spoil our time.

OP posts:
Tandora · 22/11/2024 13:04

The latest we have is MIL is “ unforgivable” and “an abomination”.

I mean.. really?

BustingBaoBun · 22/11/2024 12:57

RareFatball · 22/11/2024 10:28

I think it all boils down to you wanting your daughter to come first on this occasion seeing as grandson was priority before your daughter was born.
I personally think MIL thought she was coming up with a good compromise in this situation. If IL's are happy to do a 3 hr round trip to see grandsons nativity then enjoy their time away. Make the most of the time the evening before and when they come back from seeing the nativity. It does sound as though bridges are being built and if MIL is genuinely trying to be there for both her grandchildren.

Bailing out of the only full day she has with her DGD is not building bridges!

It's no compromise if you're not there for the activities that was planned with Granny. It's unforgiveable and betcha she wouldn't do the same to the DGS she seems besotted about as some sort of stand in mother.

Watercolorbird · 22/11/2024 11:37

No idea how people are still defending this MIL. She’s already seen DGS in a nativity. She hasn’t seen DGD meet Father Christmas. Yet she is choosing DGS’s second over DGD’s first, despite already agreeing months in advance. How can anyone not see that is wrong. Her behaviour will be very damaging to OPs DD as soon as she is old enough to have an awareness. OP is right to say something and protect her daughter. MIL is a CF and showing undeniable outright outrageous favouritism.

thepariscrimefiles · 22/11/2024 11:25

WoolySnail · 22/11/2024 11:18

it's DGS nativity play on the only full day we are there, so they are going to drive back for it in the morning, and then come back in the evening - essentially they will be gone for 6 hours.

Exactly. OP said:

'For those saying it's a couple of hours - she said they will be leaving 11am on the Weds, attending nativity at 12:30, staying for lunch and then travelling back and will aim to be back for 4:30pm, so it is almost the whole day.'

So they are not even rushing back after the nativity but staying for lunch and not setting off back until about 3.00 pm.

WoolySnail · 22/11/2024 11:18

MyOpalViewer · 22/11/2024 11:16

a 3 hour round trip

it's DGS nativity play on the only full day we are there, so they are going to drive back for it in the morning, and then come back in the evening - essentially they will be gone for 6 hours.

MyOpalViewer · 22/11/2024 11:16

WoolySnail · 22/11/2024 11:10

6 hour round trip!

a 3 hour round trip

WoolySnail · 22/11/2024 11:10

RareFatball · 22/11/2024 10:28

I think it all boils down to you wanting your daughter to come first on this occasion seeing as grandson was priority before your daughter was born.
I personally think MIL thought she was coming up with a good compromise in this situation. If IL's are happy to do a 3 hr round trip to see grandsons nativity then enjoy their time away. Make the most of the time the evening before and when they come back from seeing the nativity. It does sound as though bridges are being built and if MIL is genuinely trying to be there for both her grandchildren.

6 hour round trip!

thepariscrimefiles · 22/11/2024 11:08

RareFatball · 22/11/2024 10:28

I think it all boils down to you wanting your daughter to come first on this occasion seeing as grandson was priority before your daughter was born.
I personally think MIL thought she was coming up with a good compromise in this situation. If IL's are happy to do a 3 hr round trip to see grandsons nativity then enjoy their time away. Make the most of the time the evening before and when they come back from seeing the nativity. It does sound as though bridges are being built and if MIL is genuinely trying to be there for both her grandchildren.

This mini-break is supposed to be a bridge-building opportunity after a terrible joint trip to Paris where the amount of favouritism for MIL's grandson and ignoring of OP's DD was too much even for OP's laid back DH.

The trip is only for 3 days, with one full day of activities as they are travelling there and back on the other two days. This trip was booked and paid for by OP after consultation with the grandparents. The activity for OP's DD to see Santa for the first time was also discussed with her MIL and FIL before OP booked and paid for it.

In a previous post, OP has said:

'we were going to arrive Tues - MIL looks after DGS on a Tuesday morning so meeting there in the afternoon, spending some time together, going for dinner and on the main day is the activities - meeting father christmas in the morning, lunch, then in the afternoon you gather round firepits, toast marshmallows, sing carols, father christmas comes in on his sleigh, there's elves, probably some fake snow chucked in there somewhere, magical - etc etc. Then wake up Thurs, breakfast, maybe a quick swim and back on the road. It was a short break - yes, but was just meant to be a few days with them that we rarely get. They will miss the morning and most of the afternoon, and tbh who knows if they will even be back for 4:30.'

MIL, having agreed to the trip and activities which OP has paid for, is now binning off the one full day with the Santa activity in favour of her grandson's nativity (which she also attended last year). She hasn't double booked, she isn't trying to be there for both her grandchildren, she is blatantly prioritising her grandson. As well as being unfair, it is stunningly rude and bad mannered to waste OP's money in this way.

Bunny65 · 22/11/2024 11:06

Notonthestairs · 22/11/2024 07:04

This thread seems to one long lazy excuse for justifying favouritism amongst grandchildren.

It's written as 'well of course Mums are closer to their daughters' - the unwritten secondary element is 'So they will always prioritise their daughter's children.'

Thankfully my MIL always had the grace to look equally enchanted by all of her grandchildren. Privately she may well have had a favourite but I couldn't tell you which one it was. Fortunately I never had to give it any thought.

I don't think DILs expect to have a mother daughter relationship with their MIL. They might expect parity around their children however.

As for it not 'harming' children - I'm not convinced you can possibly judge from this distance. 15-20 years of being treated differently by a family member may have an impact, you simply can't tell at this juncture.
But I'd suggest that is quite a low bar to set for relationships.

I have seen this happen in a friend's family. The GPs were happy to say they always favoured eldestc GC and made it very obvious. The result was that when the GM ended up widowed and infirm eldest GC was always popping round and helping but youngest GC rarely bothered the relationship just wasn't there.,

RunningJo · 22/11/2024 10:50

I get missing a Nativity is a shame and she is perhaps trying to please everyone - but she has seen one before, is likely to see one next year too?.
I would respond to say that's unfortunate because it means they will miss then list the things you would have all been doing together, because whether double booked or just trying to please everyone, you are paying for this break as a thank you - for them to disappear for several hours is rude.

Suzuki76 · 22/11/2024 10:40

PenguinsarePhenomenalSwimmers · 21/11/2024 17:12

Honestly if she raises this with you whilst away, I would have a calm and honest conversation about it. Of course you were hurt and disappointed, but that hurt is on behalf of your daughter. Surely if she put herself in your shoes she could understand that? You have come to recognise and accept that she has a closer relationship with her grandson, you never obviously want to come between that but it makes you feel sad for your daughter who adores her grandparents - especially at times like this when their actions make it very obvious. You realise that you can't change this and accept it - but there is obviously hurt and sadness. You will probably step back from arranging holiday's like this in the future - because as your daughter gets older she is going to start noticing and you will protect her from that.

This is perfect. Be so calm and reasonable that you make her feel bad!

phoenixrosehere · 22/11/2024 10:36

we had the activities planned for a while as we sat down as a group and booked them up.

MIL and FIL actually sat down with OP and their son to plan this trip so it is prioritisation vs double-booking.

It’s a nativity play. They are usually around the same week every year, I highly doubt that she somehow “forgot” considered how involved she is in her grandson’s life.

The most you can do is leave MIL to it because she is likely not going to change and keep your energy for the relationships of those who choose and want to be there for your DD.

Ilostseptember · 22/11/2024 10:33

AHH, I'm sorry this is hard. It may be true they favour the elder, but there is nothing you can do about it and they obviously want to see your DD so if you can, let it go. You can not control or coerce you ILs in to behaviour you want. But you can choose not to put yourself in positions of pain again. Don't expect them to want to come to centre parks/ other future activities. Then your not let down and the relationship is easier to manage plus less family intensity which is win win.

Hoppinggreen · 22/11/2024 10:30

RareFatball · 22/11/2024 10:28

I think it all boils down to you wanting your daughter to come first on this occasion seeing as grandson was priority before your daughter was born.
I personally think MIL thought she was coming up with a good compromise in this situation. If IL's are happy to do a 3 hr round trip to see grandsons nativity then enjoy their time away. Make the most of the time the evening before and when they come back from seeing the nativity. It does sound as though bridges are being built and if MIL is genuinely trying to be there for both her grandchildren.

She isn't, she just doesn't quite have the front to cancel on OP entirely.

RareFatball · 22/11/2024 10:28

I think it all boils down to you wanting your daughter to come first on this occasion seeing as grandson was priority before your daughter was born.
I personally think MIL thought she was coming up with a good compromise in this situation. If IL's are happy to do a 3 hr round trip to see grandsons nativity then enjoy their time away. Make the most of the time the evening before and when they come back from seeing the nativity. It does sound as though bridges are being built and if MIL is genuinely trying to be there for both her grandchildren.

Hoppinggreen · 22/11/2024 10:28

MabelMora · 21/11/2024 23:35

I mean... really? It doesn't do a little girl any harm to be rejected by her grandmother because she's too busy with the favoured grandson? (See OP's post about what had happened previously). A small child can rationalise things and think, 'Ah well, some extended family relationships are closer than others. No harm done!'? Give over.

The kids figure it out eventually. DD tends to internalise things but DS is a gobshite (no idea where he gets if from) and actually said "why don't you want to spend time with us as well Nanny?" when he was around 7 or 8 I think
She blustered a lot and claimed she treated everyone the same etc etc and he replied "doesn't feel like it"
Made no difference but i did enjoy it.

Notonthestairs · 22/11/2024 10:14

The Op clearly did put aside the upset from last year. The invitation to the ILs to join them shows just that. It was a thoughtful effort to share experiences together. Hence the frustration now.

TheFormidableMrsC · 22/11/2024 10:08

I can't believe that people are still defending this MIL. Of course you'd all accept your MIL's just buggering off from a break away that you'd paid for and a day of planned and paid for activities that she agreed to in order to go to a nativity because she favours the other grandchild. The woman is an abomination. Terrible behaviour.

Tandora · 22/11/2024 10:07

godmum56 · 22/11/2024 09:43

no she didn't. She accepted one invitation WELL AHEAD of knowing when the nativity was. She didn't say at the time "thank you for the invitation but it falls at the time when I might be going to something else so I can't accept" That would have been bad enough but FFS I keep saying this ITS RUDE TO SACK OFF AN ACCEPTED INVITATION FOR A LATER ONE yes I am shouting.

no she didn't. She accepted one invitation WELL AHEAD of knowing when the nativity was.

None of us know what the circumstances are . She may well have committed to the nativity not realising the clash. We haven't heard MIL's perspective.

In any case, I can see we are not going to agree, so there's no need for me to keep banging on :).

To be clear, I do understand why the OP is hurt. At the same time, I think she would be much better advised to try to put down her feelings of jealousy/ comparison with SIL's child and just focus on her DD's relationship with MIL (not worrying so much about MIL's relationship with DGS, which is entirely separate and does not need to be a threat/ compared).

I think this would be the response that will lead to positive things. The other path will lead to toxicity and strained relationships.

Notonthestairs · 22/11/2024 10:03

There is no double booking. There is prioritisation.

The message on this thread is that it is normal for one grandchild to take priority over others (even their own siblings).

Thank heavens my MIL didnt agree with such sentiments.

godmum56 · 22/11/2024 10:01

Tandora · 22/11/2024 09:57

she will see her grandmother physicallly leaving their holiday to attend her cousin's nativity

She will see her grandmother physically leaving and then coming back. As people tend to do. No reason why this should bother her in the slightest.

I'm not sure why you and other posters are continuing with the fiction that this is MIL just 'doing her best' to be fair to both children

Because it is my opinion based on what OP has written that MIL is trying to accommodate both activities - Christmas trip with DGD and Christmas nativity with DGS, as from her perspective that is the fair/ right thing to do. It is possible for people to have different perspectives on the same situation. It happens very frequently (is the norm) in fact.

Except its generally agreed to be rude to sack off an accepted invitation for a later one. Its especially rude in this case as the first invitation has involved the inviter(s) in extra expense.

Tandora · 22/11/2024 09:57

thepariscrimefiles · 22/11/2024 09:24

I actually think that OP's daughter will notice as she will see her grandmother physicallly leaving their holiday to attend her cousin's nativity.

Unless the grandmother knew the date of the nativity and had agreed to go before the OP booked this holiday in the summer (unlikely), she hasn't 'double booked', although she is using this as an excuse. She is choosing to prioritise the grandson's nativity, even though he wouldn't notice if she was there or not.

I'm not sure why you and other posters are continuing with the fiction that this is MIL just 'doing her best' to be fair to both children. She is 'doing her best' to continue to favour her grandson over her grand-daughter, but you don't think that this will be damaging to the less favoured child. People with experience of this will disagree.

she will see her grandmother physicallly leaving their holiday to attend her cousin's nativity

She will see her grandmother physically leaving and then coming back. As people tend to do. No reason why this should bother her in the slightest.

I'm not sure why you and other posters are continuing with the fiction that this is MIL just 'doing her best' to be fair to both children

Because it is my opinion based on what OP has written that MIL is trying to accommodate both activities - Christmas trip with DGD and Christmas nativity with DGS, as from her perspective that is the fair/ right thing to do. It is possible for people to have different perspectives on the same situation. It happens very frequently (is the norm) in fact.

godmum56 · 22/11/2024 09:43

Tandora · 22/11/2024 09:06

Agree grandson won’t notice. I don’t think this is about the kids, I think it’s about grandma trying to fit both in- according to her she “double booked” herself.

no she didn't. She accepted one invitation WELL AHEAD of knowing when the nativity was. She didn't say at the time "thank you for the invitation but it falls at the time when I might be going to something else so I can't accept" That would have been bad enough but FFS I keep saying this ITS RUDE TO SACK OFF AN ACCEPTED INVITATION FOR A LATER ONE yes I am shouting.

thepariscrimefiles · 22/11/2024 09:24

Tandora · 22/11/2024 09:06

Agree grandson won’t notice. I don’t think this is about the kids, I think it’s about grandma trying to fit both in- according to her she “double booked” herself.

I actually think that OP's daughter will notice as she will see her grandmother physicallly leaving their holiday to attend her cousin's nativity.

Unless the grandmother knew the date of the nativity and had agreed to go before the OP booked this holiday in the summer (unlikely), she hasn't 'double booked', although she is using this as an excuse. She is choosing to prioritise the grandson's nativity, even though he wouldn't notice if she was there or not.

I'm not sure why you and other posters are continuing with the fiction that this is MIL just 'doing her best' to be fair to both children. She is 'doing her best' to continue to favour her grandson over her grand-daughter, but you don't think that this will be damaging to the less favoured child. People with experience of this will disagree.

Tandora · 22/11/2024 09:06

thepariscrimefiles · 22/11/2024 08:42

Using your logic, surely the grandson won't particularly notice or care if his grandmother doesn't attend his nativity so the pre-arranged and paid for activity (meeting Santa), should take priority?

Agree grandson won’t notice. I don’t think this is about the kids, I think it’s about grandma trying to fit both in- according to her she “double booked” herself.

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