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Bounty9 · 20/11/2024 14:15

I'll start out by saying DH and I have been together for 12 years and I had a wonderful relationship with MIL before kids got thrown into the mix.

SIL had her little boy 3.5 years ago and he was the centre of the universe, understandably. We then had DD 1 year later and honestly, she paled in comparison in MIL eyes - there has been obvious favouritism the entire time, and it's been pretty exhausting, ending in quite a big argument last September on a big family holiday, which marked the end of group holidays. But bridges have been rebuilt and we basically stopped doing things as a large group, and encouraged 1:1 time with MIL and DD instead, which was going well, DD adores her.

We decided this year to book a 3 day getaway, me, DH and DD and invite MIL and FIL and pay for them as a thank you for all the holidays they've taken us on over the years. it's a centre parcs break. We are travelling up, staying one full day and then travelling back. It's about a 1.5 hour drive. This has been in the diary since summer, and we all knew the dates.

MIL has text me today to say she has 'unintentionally' double booked and it's DGS nativity play on the only full day we are there, so they are going to drive back for it in the morning, and then come back in the evening - essentially they will be gone for 6 hours. We'd booked a santa visit, lunch etc that and I'm bloody hurt that she couldn't just say no this time.

I know it doesn't matter. DD is going to have the best time, we are going to have lovely family time, but ffs just when you think she can't let you down again.

AIBU to feel upset about this? I haven't replied yet. I want to just say forget it, don't come if you're going to miss half the trip and activities, but DH thinks we should just let them do as they please and not let it spoil our time.

OP posts:
Heronwatcher · 20/11/2024 16:06

BustingBaoBun · 20/11/2024 16:02

I can't imagine a grandmother would want to miss her grandsons (first?) nativity.

It's not his first. She went last year

In my school there are only 3 nativities, in foundation, yr 1 and yr 2. They are all incredibly special- in the first year they are some sort of animal (but so sweet and little), years 1 and 2 they have speaking parts. Then it’s over. Plus they are so lovely- they represent a thread of Christmas through time for me (me, my siblings and now all our kids still doing similar things). No way would I miss one unless I was in hospital or something. Saying that the MIL has seen one already isn’t really the point.

Bounty9 · 20/11/2024 16:06

Yes, DH is passive. Probably why we work, because he is and I am not! He does not like to rock the boat, or upset his mum. Which I get - but I do feel like I have to advocate for DD most of the time. Sometimes I wish he would just say god that was a bit shitty of her, which to be fair he did on #holidaygate which is probably why things changed afterwards.

@brbg2g no, she went to his nativity last year. They do spend time as a group, DH doesn’t work on Thursdays and takes DD over to spend time with MIL/SIL and her cousin, because he doesn’t seem bothered by it.

I think my worry is yes, DD couldn’t give two hoots at the moment. She’s going to have a great time and won’t care that MIL is there or not when she meets Santa, but one day she probably will.

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DysonSphere · 20/11/2024 16:05

I think you are being unreasonable.

I think your expectations around your MIL are too much.

I think today is about her bailing for a few hours for a nativity, but tomorrow it will be something else. Anytime she appears to treat her DGS just a tad more preferentially, you are going to be running a mental comparison tick chart.

If all were fair then all MIL's would be like second mothers, who treat all their GC totally equally all of the time, but in reality it doesn't always work out that way and to be honest, most people accept this to an extent, I mean most women might naturally have their own mother be more involved with their DCs than their MIL.

I think you need to accept that a good relationship between MIL and DGD is enough and stop running the comparison chart because there's potentially years of aggravation to come if you don't. As long as your MIL loves DD, and DD adores her then that is good.

Gazelda · 20/11/2024 16:05

If this was the cause of last years upset, she knows exactly how you'll be feeling this time.

You know she favours her daughter's child. She knows that you know.

There's no reason for any more pretence. Let the lovely relationship between her and your DD continue. And try not to bear a grudge.

But apart from that, I'd just accept this as the status quo.

But She doesn't get invites to DDs nativity, ballet show, graduation. You won't want to risk DD being disappointed to be trumped by her cousin. Make sure MIL knows this is the last time you allow her to let DD down.

PrettyParrot2012 · 20/11/2024 16:05

Maybe message her back with "It's ok, I understand - you've had a better offer" and leave it at that. She knows you know.

BustingBaoBun · 20/11/2024 16:05

@Bounty9

I just think this is a bit of a wake up call maybe... you were hoping to get things back to no blatant favouritism and that hasn't worked so at least now you know where you stand and can act accordingly in the future.

I just imagine if the boot was on the other foot and Grandma bailed out of something that DGS was doing, there would be hell from her DD!

But now you know.

NightDreaming · 20/11/2024 16:04

Have only read your posts OP, so not sure if anyone suggested this but….

could your parents join you? If so I would get your DH to message back saying

“No worries, as you can’t join the main part of the time away Bounty’s parents will join us for this trip and we’ll organise something with you two for another time”

MammaGisAF · 20/11/2024 16:04

I get your hurt. The correct response would have been to tell SIL they were away and couldn’t make it.

A word of warning, my family has experienced exactly this sort of treatment and it escalated as the kids got older. Cousin being invited to Grandparents for sleepovers, ours were not. Pocket money given to cousin, nothing to our child. I could go on. Someone said your child will notice eventually. Totally true. Ours absolutely noticed. In our case PiL have even split their will uneven so the other grandchild gets a bigger share. They’ve told us all so there are no ‘surprises’ but can you imagine trying to understand the rationale for that as a child? To be honest I wish we had done more to protect ours from this.

BustingBaoBun · 20/11/2024 16:02

I can't imagine a grandmother would want to miss her grandsons (first?) nativity.

It's not his first. She went last year

Heronwatcher · 20/11/2024 16:02

friendlycat · 20/11/2024 15:48

It's going to make it very awkward them leaving, then coming back.

Your child wondering why granny and grandpa are leaving. Then granny and grandpa coming back and being told everything you have done that they have missed out on. You then listening to details of a nativity play and lunch that they left you for.

I would find it very hard to be smiley and polite and pleasant after paying for the trip that they are then choosing to bail out of for a significant period of time.

Standard manners are that one honours the commitment agreed in the first place. You have selected activities to do that they aren't even going to be present for. Your child is then disappointed, but will obviously quickly get over that.

I think it would be better under the circumstances, that granny has decided, that they just don't come. It will just be more awkward, they will be tired, you will be upset. It just doesn't work.

This is such an adult projection. @Bounty9 ‘s daughter is 2.5 years old! She won’t have a clue. You just say “Granny and Grandad are going to go and do something important at [cousin’s] school while we go and do some fun activities, but they’ll be back at dinner time and to read you a story later.” No issue at all unless an adult somewhere makes it one.

brbg2g · 20/11/2024 16:00

She wouldn't have known the nativity date at time of booking. I think making any plans in December when you have nursery/school age kids is always dangerous and plans are never concrete until all the Xmas stuff has been pencilled in and confirmed.

I can't imagine a grandmother would want to miss her grandsons (first?) nativity. I would look to change the centre parcs dates if you can or just let her come along and then go back for the nativity as she wishes.

It's not a personal dig at you or your child, she is just trying to do everything and please everyone.

This comes from someone who's children don't have a grandmother as she chose not to be in their lives so please understand how much it means and make the most of the time she makes for your child.

She is probably gutted that she can't have both grand children together because of what's gone on with the family by the sounds of it? It sounds like she is torn between two of them

thepariscrimefiles · 20/11/2024 15:59

Bounty9 · 20/11/2024 14:57

@DemonicCaveMaggot no, she doesn't drive so he will have to.

Like I said - she's not a bad person, we always got along well but with the arrival of children things have been pretty tense. I'm not saying she's a bad GP, DD adores her and the time they spend together is lovely. BUT I am hurt that on this occasion, for the sake of a nativity (when she went to the last one and will go to the next) she couldn't just say no and put DD first. Which she honestly has never done.

I don't want her to think it's completely fine and we're brushing it off. I will ask DH to speak with her tomorrow. I know she will probably ask him if I'm annoyed, and I will ask him to be honest!

I'm not sure why your DH is OK with his daughter being an afterthought for his mum to the extent that she is willing to miss most of the pre-booked and paid for holiday with her grand-daughter in order to attend a 30 minute Nativity for her grandson, which she attended last year. He seems very passive. Was he treated like this as a child with his sister being the favourite? If so, he shouldn't let this unfairness affect another generation of children.

Bounty9 · 20/11/2024 15:59

Thank you everyone, I do appreciate it. I’m trying to keep up with comments, in between suspecting that @walltowallkents is actually my MIL 🤣

My parents are separated and my mum works full time so wouldn’t be able to come unfortunately, but we will be doing plenty with her in December. But aside from that, this trip was a treat for PIL’s, we just thought they would want to be there, and clearly they have had a better offer.

I don’t want a huge falling out, life is much easier when everyone gets along but I was stupid to think things were heading in the right direction. I think a pp is right, their relationship with DD will never be the same as the one with DGS.. but I have to let that go.

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Heronwatcher · 20/11/2024 15:56

thepariscrimefiles · 20/11/2024 15:47

She agreed to the holiday with her son, OP and their DD back in the summer. It's obvious that the dates of the nativity have just been released. She should stick with the prior arrangement with her son. She attended the other grandchild's nativity last year. They have one full day for this 3-day break and MIL will miss most of it due to prioritising her other grandchild.

Of course OP is annoyed with her. Most people would be.

I suspect MIL might see her solution (driving to see the nativity and then coming back) as best of both worlds and I can sort of see the logic (as things stand she’ll have 2 evenings and mornings with 1GC, the middle of one day with the other). That actually seems pretty logical especially as the GC can do activities during the middle of the full day. I bet the GC won’t care whether Granny is there for the full day if she’s doing interesting stuff.

Plus she agreed to this before she knew the date of the nativity which is incredibly special for lots of people, I daresay she’d have said no if the date was known. These things happen, it’s not worth destroying the relationship between GP/ GC over.

BustingBaoBun · 20/11/2024 15:56

Is she really supposed to blow off the nativity?

Yes.

She agreed 6 months ago on a trip 2 hours drive away and activities pre planned with her and her DGD

ThunderLeaf · 20/11/2024 15:54

Apolloneuro · 20/11/2024 15:30

Oh dear. That’s very rude. Never mind. You’ll still enjoy them.

I had a friend once who tried to keep everyone happy. She’d have done something like this and end up making nobody happy.

I think she is due credit that she is trying to make everything work.

You will all have the first night together.

Yes she is away for 5 hours but she will still be there for breakfast until mid morning, with a little one you'll all be up about 7am anyway.

Then you can all have dinner together, the second night together and breakfast/mid morning time together on day 3.

I know it's hard, I was a mum with little and I look back and think I placed too high importance on some things.

I'm not saying it's not important but it's not like she has completely blown you off.

Preschool and schools are not great at giving dates for nativities and things like that. So she probably has had your trip in her paper diary and when she's been advised of nativity has probably felt very stuck and working out how she can be in two places at once.

Is she really supposed to blow off the nativity?

We didn't have anyone else at first santa visit as it felt special for only us.

But I do think nativities are special for extended family.

It's not clear cut, it sounds like she is trying to do her best.

I just don't think you should go the nuclear option, univite her and then blow her off for the foreseeable future over this. I mean you can by all means

You have two paths and neither of them are what you wanted, I get that.

Question is which one will cause your situation the least damage and provide you with the most support as new parents after this short break.

Good luck x

TVwontwork · 20/11/2024 15:51

GivingitToGod · 20/11/2024 15:33

NO NO NO. If OP acts on this unwise advice, the relationship is doomed.
MIL is stuck between a rock and a hard place and is doing her best to keep the peace.
Please give credit 4 this

I’m just saying what I would say. Wouldn’t be able to stop myself.

Heronwatcher · 20/11/2024 15:50

Yes I am not sure she would have done this intentionally- we only found out the dates of the nativity after October half term (so 2 weeks ago).

If your DD loves her I would let it go and maybe try to put some of the activities in on the Thursday- still plenty of time to get home even if you stay until dinner.

I think though, and you may feel this is slightly unfair, part of you still might be hoping/ expecting that she’ll treat your kids the same as her daughter’s. If that’s going to happen (and it might not, some people just feel closer to some parts of their family) it has to happen naturally but don’t force it, try to just accept the relationship they do have. Personal I wouldn’t be booking any organised activities for a bit as it all sounds too stressful and likely to end in bad feeling.

In fact I think I’d be handing over the management of that relationship to your DH so you can focus on your side of the family.

GivingitToGod · 20/11/2024 15:50

Brefugee · 20/11/2024 15:38

No. ML is allowed to have a favourite.

But when she makes plans with one then ditches them for the other? She gets to hear about it. It doesn't have to be a slanging match. Just "oh you'll miss all the activities we all planned." and that is it. And no 3rd chance.

No, MIL is not allowed to have a favourite or be given x amount of chances.
I think we should agree to disagree on our opinions

beAsensible1 · 20/11/2024 15:49

Brefugee · 20/11/2024 15:43

I hope you don't treat people like this, blow them off for a better offer? One full day and mil fucks off for the best part of it? Haha no.

and yet i just got back from a holiday where people popped off to see others unplanned, some of us even tagged along. we even rearranged the schedule to make it easier 🙂

amazingly no one died or took it personally. again i don't assume bad faith from people i care about and who i know care about me.

if it bothers that much say something.

AegonT · 20/11/2024 15:49

I would be very upset too. Unfortunately our kids are just accessories to their cousins and there for them to play with and of little interest on their own and must not achieve anything the cousins haven't or it will be ignored. A family holiday trumps a grandchild's nativity surely. If he's preschool age he'll probably have another one in infant school and it'll be recorded by someone anyway.

LizzieSiddal · 20/11/2024 15:48

Your MIL and FIL both incredibly rude. It’s the height of bad manners to agree to something then months later say you’ve double booked. I’d leave it to your H to sort out but would definitely want them to know how disappointed you all are. And I’d never ask them to anything like this again.

friendlycat · 20/11/2024 15:48

It's going to make it very awkward them leaving, then coming back.

Your child wondering why granny and grandpa are leaving. Then granny and grandpa coming back and being told everything you have done that they have missed out on. You then listening to details of a nativity play and lunch that they left you for.

I would find it very hard to be smiley and polite and pleasant after paying for the trip that they are then choosing to bail out of for a significant period of time.

Standard manners are that one honours the commitment agreed in the first place. You have selected activities to do that they aren't even going to be present for. Your child is then disappointed, but will obviously quickly get over that.

I think it would be better under the circumstances, that granny has decided, that they just don't come. It will just be more awkward, they will be tired, you will be upset. It just doesn't work.

Ohthedaffodils · 20/11/2024 15:48

Take your parents instead if you can.

Apolloneuro · 20/11/2024 15:48

Just to say, it is really hard to get the right balance between children and grandchildren. Sometimes someone thinks the other one is being favoured etc. when you’re just trying to do your best.

However, isn’t it pretty much accepted in life that one doesn’t bail on prior commitments, unless something really important takes precedence? Watching a second nativity play doesn’t count as really important, really, does it. Not in this case.

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