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Justcaant · 20/11/2024 07:39

I’m 40 soon and last year separated from a long term partner. I now have our DD all week and he has her EOW. CMS is sorted but the real issue is that I now own a home alone (we rented previously as were saving for a house).

I have a 240k mortgage to pay off. I may never actually pay it off. I feel completely financially stuck. I am constantly worried about my job and bills. I have 1.5k in savings and try and add 100 a month but it’s hard. I never thought at 40 I would be in this situation. My parents are reasonably well off and I was brought up in a way that is now totally different to my daughter and I feel terrible about that too. I keep thinking I will be old and alone and unable to pay bills so end up on the streets. I am waking every day at 3am for some reason and just going over and over this and there is no way out. I wish I had made better financial decisions when younger and now it’s too late to fix it. How do I cope with this and accept where I am? I don’t want this to rub off on our child.

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SweetSakura · 20/11/2024 12:10

HowYouSpellingThat10 · 20/11/2024 08:34

But every year your mortgage will get smaller compared to your income (assuming you are not on a 1.5% deal coming to an end).

You now look at people who bought 20 years ago and see how tiny their mortgages are. But likely when they took them out they felt like you.

With inflation in 10 years time your mortgage will be a smaller proportion of outgoings.

I know it's easier said than done but try not to go too far into the future. Lots of different things could happen between now and then.

Do you have a secure home? Is your daughter happy?

You could post a statement of affairs on money saving expert. People there are good at helping to shave costs.

Yes it's hard now but you have just been through a massive change. Give it time to settle.

This is an important point to bear in mind.

Even if you don't progress in your role any further (and remember as your daughter gets older that may change), you should get salary rises with inflation (although realise they don't always keep track!)... So your mortgage relative to salary will gradually reduce anyway.

Plus if it helps you feel a bit more in control, pay in even tiny overpayments. I pay in a percentage of any windfall (eg back pay) and also chuck any "lose change" amounts in accounts (eg if an account is 1001.24 I would pay in the 1.24) as over payments. I also have a standing order to over pay an easily affordable amount (along side saving of course) and gradually the overpayment amount is building

SweetSakura · 20/11/2024 12:10

HowYouSpellingThat10 · 20/11/2024 08:34

But every year your mortgage will get smaller compared to your income (assuming you are not on a 1.5% deal coming to an end).

You now look at people who bought 20 years ago and see how tiny their mortgages are. But likely when they took them out they felt like you.

With inflation in 10 years time your mortgage will be a smaller proportion of outgoings.

I know it's easier said than done but try not to go too far into the future. Lots of different things could happen between now and then.

Do you have a secure home? Is your daughter happy?

You could post a statement of affairs on money saving expert. People there are good at helping to shave costs.

Yes it's hard now but you have just been through a massive change. Give it time to settle.

This is an important point to bear in mind.

Even if you don't progress in your role any further (and remember as your daughter gets older that may change), you should get salary rises with inflation (although realise they don't always keep track!)... So your mortgage relative to salary will gradually reduce anyway.

Plus if it helps you feel a bit more in control, pay in even tiny overpayments. I pay in a percentage of any windfall (eg back pay) and also chuck any "lose change" amounts in accounts (eg if an account is 1001.24 I would pay in the 1.24) as over payments. I also have a standing order to over pay an easily affordable amount (along side saving of course) and gradually the overpayment amount is building

sleepwouldbenice · 20/11/2024 11:44

Op

First of all see a gp about how you are feeling. Lack of sleep makes everything so much worse. I have been there. Agree re magnesium or something like sleepeaze from boots. Even one nights sleep will help

Secondly stop panicking over paying interest on mortgage and capital not going down. That's just maths. At the end capital goes down quickly.

Thirdly get on money savings expert to go through budgeting tips and make sure you aren't over spending and are doing the right things. From mobile phones to food to cash back to credit cards and debt And mortgage deals...Watch the program, get the weekly email. You'll feel more in control when you take lots of little actions

Next. Love is free. Your family will be fine. We earn well now but some of our best family times have been on dog walks, playing board games or caravan in a field holidays.

Back to money. I haven't read all the thread so I don't know the full picture but parents can pass on £1m inheritance tax free. Of course care home fees can take away some money but it's likely you will inherit. And downsizing as well

I do hope this helps. I am sure it's overwhelming but you sound very caring. It will be fine

Karatema · 20/11/2024 11:18

OP, my DiL is renting at the moment. She has applied for a mortgage to be able to buy. If all goes well then she will have a mortgage the same size as yours; she says it's scary on your own with DC but the rent is higher than her mortgage payment will be. She told me she prefers to struggle and have her own roof than pay for someone else's.

NearlyChristmas2024 · 20/11/2024 11:16

When your DD eventually moves out, will you have enough money to downsize and buy somewhere in cash? That’s pretty much our plan right now. We’ve currently got a detached 4 bed with a garage but when it’s just the two of us we’ll be fine in a terraced/semi two bed. I don’t want to work for longer than I have to just to service a mortgage.

Imjustlikeyou2 · 20/11/2024 11:15

I still find inheritance tax a total piss take, those people have paid tax on the money already and 40% is so high!

AlleeBee · 20/11/2024 11:14

Justcaant · 20/11/2024 07:49

It doesn’t feel stable at all though. Most people I know don’t work at 70 and I will be working way beyond that if I pay this off and who knows if I will even be able to do that by then. What happens then? The home would be taken off me, I would have nowhere to live. I certainty won’t have money to help dd when she starts out. All I see ahead is constant struggle.

How long is your mortgage deal for? I don't understand why you think you'll be working way beyond 70 to pay off your mortgage when that's 30 years away and most mortgages are for 25 years (in my experience, maybe I'm wrong).

Presumably your daughter will move out in twenty or so years and you can downsize then, potentially becoming mortgage-free depending on house prices.

Imjustlikeyou2 · 20/11/2024 11:11

Sorry just seen you’d discussed that, I think you’re underestimating how much that will help.

Imjustlikeyou2 · 20/11/2024 11:10

Your wealthy parents will leave you some inheritance surely?

Kneebonefuture · 20/11/2024 11:07

I agree its a shame when you can't give your child everything you had or more, however you are in a great position and no need to feel guilty if your parents were well off.

viques · 20/11/2024 11:05

You are amazing, in a year you have sorted your finances enough to buy a home for you and your daughter, that is an amazing achievement. The mortgage always feels tough for the first couple of years, and when you read the statements it doesn’t seem as though you are making any inroads into paying it off, but you are, and bit by bit it happens.

And in the meantime you have a secure roof over your head, no more anxiety about a rented place where the landlord can sell up under you at any time. If things get financially tough later on you can rent out a room to a lodger, or downsize, you have so many more options when you own your property.

Harrumphhhh · 20/11/2024 11:05

I understand where you’re coming from. I also became suddenly single a few years ago, and the realisation that it is all on you is hard.

I love it now though and am very proud of my financial independence.

My top tip is to get a monzo account and set up ‘pots’ for everything. When I get paid, my money goes off into ‘groceries’, ‘bills’, ‘uniforms’, ‘gifts’, ‘haircuts’, ‘car’, etc. Some of them (e.g. uniforms) just get £10 a month put in, but that means I don’t suddenly have to find cash in August.

If you have a spare room, I’d also seriously consider a (carefully chosen!)
lodger, and just plough that income into savings. I’ll definitely do this when my (now hulking teenaged) DSes move out.

Minycat · 20/11/2024 11:01

The only advice I can give is to do something for your anxiety. I listen to meditations from the Mindful movement in youtube; some positive and yoga may help you get through this. Also magnesium chelated can help with anxiety

I appreciate is a difficult situation but the negative and stress won’t help. One day at a time.

PrincessofWells · 20/11/2024 10:59

Justcaant · 20/11/2024 07:53

I don’t understand what you do though if you can’t pay your mortgage or your rent and you are old? What happens to you? Would you be homeless? I can’t see how I will be able to fund everything myself into old age

Currently if over state pension age you would claim help with housing costs.

Op you are way overthinking this. Being on your own and taking on a mortgage is fine. By the time you are 60 the amount you are paying for your mortgage will be relatively smaller. You are having a loss of confidence, be strong 💪.

Startinganew32 · 20/11/2024 10:58

luckylavender · 20/11/2024 10:49

You could do equity release and continue to
live there. You're 40, you have loads of time.

Equity release is daylight robbery. She shouldn’t have to do that. She can sell and downsize but it’s pretty unlikely that the bank will have given her a term that takes her beyond retirement age anyway. I was offered that but I have a very good pension scheme with a 6 figure lump sum and sufficient income to pay a mortgage even after retirement. If I was going to be relying on the state pension the bank wouldn’t have agreed to that. Currently my term ends when I am 68 which is my projected retirement age although I know it will probably be later by the time I get there.

LazyArsedMagician · 20/11/2024 10:57

Why do you think you'll never pay off your mortgage? Are you on interest only? Because I mean logically, your home will be paid off at the end of term.

caringcarer · 20/11/2024 10:55

OP in the early stages of mortgage repayment is always a bit of a struggle. The mortgage and a rental may be similar in price. Over time rentals go up and your mortgage shouldn't. After another 5 years your wages will go up and you'll find the repayments on the mortgage a bit easier. After 10 years you'll have had more pay rises and you could get a promotion too. You might be able to afford to overpayment on your mortgage. That's what I did. I can remember in the early years there was very little left each month. I had to say no to my DC when they wanted things. Over time things got easier. In the end I repaid the mortgage almost 5 years early. Now with no mortgage things are so much easier. My DC are adults but I've been able to afford to help them out with a car or house deposit. I never thought I'd be able to do that. Over time you'll feel better off. You're building a rainy day fund for emergencies and you have your parents as back up. I think you're doing really well. You should be proud of yourself. You might need to get some counselling to help you see the bigger picture.

StressedLP1 · 20/11/2024 10:52

You’re in the middle of a massive change. You will gradually get used to it as your circumstances become the ‘new normal’. I’m in the same situation as you and gradually I’ve come to terms with not coming to terms with it 😄

luckylavender · 20/11/2024 10:49

Justcaant · 20/11/2024 07:49

It doesn’t feel stable at all though. Most people I know don’t work at 70 and I will be working way beyond that if I pay this off and who knows if I will even be able to do that by then. What happens then? The home would be taken off me, I would have nowhere to live. I certainty won’t have money to help dd when she starts out. All I see ahead is constant struggle.

You could do equity release and continue to
live there. You're 40, you have loads of time.

Schoolchoicesucks · 20/11/2024 10:48

OP, I think posters are correct that you are catastrophising and excessively anxious about things that you do not need to be. Please do seek some strategies or support to help with this.

You have secure housing for you and your daughter. You have a mortgage for a 3 bed house. You may need to work into 60s to pay for this - but that would then mean it was paid off with no rent to pay in retirement. You may also be able to pay it off sooner if your financial circumstances improve, you inherit or you are able to downsize when your daughter is an adult.

You seem to have disregarded any potential inheritance - which makes sense not to rely on this if your parents need to use their assets for care needs or if they plan to spend it but it will not all go "in tax". They may be able to help your daughter with a deposit or similar.

You are doing OK. Saving anything is a start. Try to stop fretting.

DancingTurtle · 20/11/2024 10:46

OP, I really feel for you. Everything is new, not what you planned or would have wanted and the sense of responsibility and risk feel huge.

You really are in the worse throes of it at the moment. Things get easier because:

  1. You come to terms with your new relationship situation.
  2. You get a financial cushion built up.
  3. You start to see the positives of your new situation.

It's natural to focus on the negatives at first, it's how humans are built. Go easy on yourself, get a bit of support with the anxiety but trust in the fact that this too shall pass Flowers

IWillAlwaysBeinaClubWithYouin1973 · 20/11/2024 10:38

OP I get you too - but on much less money! I am in the position you fear, in 20 years time. I'm 60+ I do have some equity coming from marital home, but I will be taking out a mortgage and having to say I'll work till past 70 to repay it. And you know what? People say exactly the same thing to me, 20 years on, that they are saying to you here now, which is a lot of "pull yourself together" crap. I think you are entitled to be worried, but you have time to work through that. Mine is more like a car crash and not so slow, but you are in a place now where you can work things through with a financial adviser and/or counsellor or whatever. You have time, and that is more precious than money. I really wish I'd split with my ex when I was in my 40s with small children, I admire you for doing the right thing.

TwinklyAmberOrca · 20/11/2024 10:35

Justcaant · 20/11/2024 07:49

It doesn’t feel stable at all though. Most people I know don’t work at 70 and I will be working way beyond that if I pay this off and who knows if I will even be able to do that by then. What happens then? The home would be taken off me, I would have nowhere to live. I certainty won’t have money to help dd when she starts out. All I see ahead is constant struggle.

Take a deep breath!

You are WAY overthinking this.

Firstly, your child won't be a child forever. If she's at school that means she's at least 4. In 14 years time when you're 54 she will be potentially sitting A Levels, looking at going to university, or already have an apprenticeship.

Once your daughter is an adult, if she still wishes to remain at home you can charge her rent. Most parents do this because it teaches them about money and is far more affordable than a house share.

You also have 3 bedrooms so you have the option of getting a lodger. If you live in an area that has industry, you can often get lodgers that just stay Monday to Friday. If your daughter moves out, get TWO lodgers! I know lots of people who have lodgers to help with the mortgage. Someone I used to work with lived 200 miles away from work, and drove up here Monday morning, lodged in a family home, then went home on Friday. He could earn SO much more money here than he could at home, and found being a lodger was nicer than a hotel.

There are always options. If you keep worrying about the What Ifs, then you'll drive yourself crazy. Focus on the now and what's important - you have a home and an amazing DC.

Marshbird · 20/11/2024 10:29

Justcaant · 20/11/2024 07:52

@DieStrassensindimmernass I could downsize slightly but to be honest the houses are not much cheaper. This is only a three bed and has one box room so more a two bed. I can’t leave the area really due to the school as dd is already very settled in

But this is now. Your daughter will grow up and leave home having her own place to live and being financially independent.
when that happens. You have 2 options

  1. to downsize to a 1 bed or 1 bed with a small spare room for her to stay over . Pay the mortgage off that way
  2. that by that time, your salary will have gone up, your outgoings will drop with daughter not being dependent on you, and the mortgage will be affordable with cash to over pay into it.

your loan amount won’t increase now, even though cost of living does, house value will go up over time. The main thing is that you can afford it now. Yes, it is scary owning a house on your own (divorced after 30 years and bought first place on my own, and even without a mortgage I get anxious and fixated on financial issues…). But you are not going to end up homeless, if push comes to shove you may have to downsize, but not right now by sound of it

OP, is this worry more a catastrophing and anxiety response, perhaps in response to the divorce? The brain is pre wired to focus on perceived threats, as opposed to safety and good stuff. People can end up, with prolonged stress and anxiety, with an over sensitised brain that can’t turn the volume down to perceived threats, and over thinks and catastrophises. I’ve been then. Got some excellent therepy to help me understand this. In my case it was a response to complex PTSD, due to my abusive marriage. I still have to actively district myself form over thinking and worrying. Sorry, if I’m completely wide of mark here…but I think worrying about financial security is common even when actually the situation is stable

looking back (I’m 60 now) having young children was the most financially punishing time of my life , even with 2 wages. We nearly lost our home twice, but we didn’t becuase we tlaked to mortgage companies and just about got through. This period with all these financial demands on you will change and stop, you will get to a point when financially life becomes a bit easier.

Hang in there. Try to keep saving. Overpay your monthly payment as much as you can when you can, as this pays off capital, not interest. Just focus on enjoying the home you now have, and your child.

Misunderstoodagain · 20/11/2024 10:23

If you just got a mortgage in the last couple of years then you probably have a high rate currently- when you remortgage payments could go down If interest rates go down in the future. If your savings rate is lower than you mortgage interest your better off putting extra payments on the mortgage instead- putting £100 a month extra on the mortgage can cut up to 13 years off it. As your LVT gets better rates will be better, again less monthly payments.
There is a light at the end of the tunnel- you're panicking right now because you've had so much upheaval in you life. Things will get better- you just have to be financially smart.