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Justcaant · 20/11/2024 07:39

I’m 40 soon and last year separated from a long term partner. I now have our DD all week and he has her EOW. CMS is sorted but the real issue is that I now own a home alone (we rented previously as were saving for a house).

I have a 240k mortgage to pay off. I may never actually pay it off. I feel completely financially stuck. I am constantly worried about my job and bills. I have 1.5k in savings and try and add 100 a month but it’s hard. I never thought at 40 I would be in this situation. My parents are reasonably well off and I was brought up in a way that is now totally different to my daughter and I feel terrible about that too. I keep thinking I will be old and alone and unable to pay bills so end up on the streets. I am waking every day at 3am for some reason and just going over and over this and there is no way out. I wish I had made better financial decisions when younger and now it’s too late to fix it. How do I cope with this and accept where I am? I don’t want this to rub off on our child.

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Suzuki76 · 20/11/2024 20:43

SapphireOpal · 20/11/2024 17:25

Why would the payments go down as equity increases? Or do you just mean if you overpay?

You get better rates when you remortgage if your loan to value goes under 60%.

Startinganew32 · 20/11/2024 20:33

Noras · 20/11/2024 19:37

Let’s say you own a farm worth £2.2 million – that’s about the average net worth of a farm in England, according to figures from Defra.
If you’re single, the Treasury states you’ll be able to pass on up to £1.5 million of this to children or grandchildren tax free. That’s the one million pound allowance for farm owners, plus the normal tax exemptions that everyone has, which are worth up to £500,000.
£2.2 million minus the £1.5 million in tax exemptions leaves £700,000 that could be taxed.
Under the new government policy, that £700,000 would be taxed at 20 per cent – rather than 40 per cent as non-farmers pay.
This leaves a theoretical tax bill of £140,000. Your child or children can pay this off in instalments over ten years, interest free. That’s more favourable than inheritance tax bills non-farmers pay, which face a 7 per cent interest rate.
So that’s an annual tax bill of £14,000 for ten years, in our hypothetical example.
Now imagine that you’re part of a married couple and are passing on a farm of the same value – £2.2m.
The Treasury states “two people who jointly own a farm will be able to pass on land and property valued up to £3 million to a child or grandchild tax free”. This is because you and your spouse could each pass on a £1.5m tax exemption. (Spouses don’t need to die at the same time for their heirs to benefit from the combined £3m exemption.)
That means, in this example of a couple passing on a £2.2m farm, your children should pay no inheritance tax at all.

Eh? Where does OP say she owns a farm?

Noras · 20/11/2024 19:40

Moreover with each year the debt is diminishing in real term value.

i would not be protesting - I would be saying ‘thanks’. It’s a great deal.

Noras · 20/11/2024 19:37

Let’s say you own a farm worth £2.2 million – that’s about the average net worth of a farm in England, according to figures from Defra.
If you’re single, the Treasury states you’ll be able to pass on up to £1.5 million of this to children or grandchildren tax free. That’s the one million pound allowance for farm owners, plus the normal tax exemptions that everyone has, which are worth up to £500,000.
£2.2 million minus the £1.5 million in tax exemptions leaves £700,000 that could be taxed.
Under the new government policy, that £700,000 would be taxed at 20 per cent – rather than 40 per cent as non-farmers pay.
This leaves a theoretical tax bill of £140,000. Your child or children can pay this off in instalments over ten years, interest free. That’s more favourable than inheritance tax bills non-farmers pay, which face a 7 per cent interest rate.
So that’s an annual tax bill of £14,000 for ten years, in our hypothetical example.
Now imagine that you’re part of a married couple and are passing on a farm of the same value – £2.2m.
The Treasury states “two people who jointly own a farm will be able to pass on land and property valued up to £3 million to a child or grandchild tax free”. This is because you and your spouse could each pass on a £1.5m tax exemption. (Spouses don’t need to die at the same time for their heirs to benefit from the combined £3m exemption.)
That means, in this example of a couple passing on a £2.2m farm, your children should pay no inheritance tax at all.

Balance sheet analysis and farming performance, England 2022/23 - statistics notice

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/balance-sheet-analysis-and-farming-performance-england/balance-sheet-analysis-and-farming-performance-england-202223-statistics-notice#net-worth

Helpagirlout222 · 20/11/2024 19:23

If it makes you feel better OP I'm in the same boat but 10 years older and haven't even bought my post divorce house yet!
Downsizing and reducing mortgage is my plan,as many people on here have said. Having a dd who is 12 you will feel like it's miles away but honestly the teen years fly in
I am very worried about my financial future but for right now I'm grateful for a roof over my head and a job. Take it one step at a time!

Startinganew32 · 20/11/2024 19:01

I know many people who are in a couple at 40 but they have a 400k joint mortgage with huge monthly payments. At least yours is affordable. You have a three bed home. One day you will be mortgage free. You’re financially self sufficient.

Bearpawk · 20/11/2024 18:56

You're only 40
Don't worry about the next 30 years, just be grateful you have a stable home and can meet the mortgage payments.

In the future who know what will happen. You may meet someone else who can contribute. You may inherit lots of money. You may downsize. Move to a cheaper area. DD might decide stay living at home and contribute.

Might be worth getting income protection cover if you haven't already.

JTRSOP · 20/11/2024 18:43

Justcaant · 20/11/2024 07:53

I don’t understand what you do though if you can’t pay your mortgage or your rent and you are old? What happens to you? Would you be homeless? I can’t see how I will be able to fund everything myself into old age

You take out an equity release to pay off your existing mortgage. You don’t have to make repayments on an equity release. They have their disadvantages (eat into inheritance), but you will not need to make repayments.

Minglingpringle · 20/11/2024 18:40

These fears are all in your head. Push them away and keep doing so whenever they reappear.

Think about how much your life has changed in the last thirty years. There will be just as many changes in the next.

If, when you retire, you haven’t paid off your mortgage, you can downsize then. Your daughter will no longer need to live near the school…

Every year that you manage to provide a stable home and school life for your daughter is a year of achievement. Congratulate yourself for what you’ve achieved and for every additional year you get under your belt in the future. Her childhood will pass more quickly than you expect and suddenly you’ll look back and realise that you’ve made it - most or all of her childhood was spent in a stable home environment, provided by you.

Yes, something might go wrong, but that’s true for everybody. All we can control is what’s happening at the moment.

If something did go wrong, I’m sure you’d still manage to be a source of stability and love for your daughter.

A stable home and school life is all that matters. Everything else is just glitter and garnish.

Redburnett · 20/11/2024 18:27

From my observations many young adults are not learning to drive until their 20s, for all sorts of reasons. Of all the things to be worrying about, not paying for DC's driving lessons sometime in the future is really rather ridiculous. DC can pay for their own when they are earning enough, both for the lessons, and costs of buying and insuring a car. Why can't you ask your well off parents for help?

Justcaant · 20/11/2024 17:46

She’s nearly 12

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Catza · 20/11/2024 17:31

Justcaant · 20/11/2024 17:18

i feel such a failure in so many ways. I won’t be taking dd on holiday for the foreseeable and things like helping her do driving lessons or helping buying a car are just not going to be possible. I know not everyone has these things and it’s not the end of the world but like a lot of people I hoped I would be able to do these things for her. I’m disappointed in how things are I suppose but I am doing my best.

How old is your daughter? Sounds like it's at least 10 years before she is even legally allowed to have a provisional licence. You don't know what is going to happen tomorrow, never mind decades into the future.
Everyone I know paid for their own driving lessons and their first car and had a great satisfaction from doing so.

Cardinalita90 · 20/11/2024 17:28

Could you rent out a room for a year? Put the income towards extra payments on the principal mortgage amount?

I'm an avid listener of the Ramsey Show on YouTube which is focused on helping callers get out of debt and repaying mortgages/funding retirement. Once you get past the crazy salary difference between UK and USA the advice is still often sound. Maybe worth a listen.

PinoGrejioh · 20/11/2024 17:25

Justcaant · 20/11/2024 17:18

i feel such a failure in so many ways. I won’t be taking dd on holiday for the foreseeable and things like helping her do driving lessons or helping buying a car are just not going to be possible. I know not everyone has these things and it’s not the end of the world but like a lot of people I hoped I would be able to do these things for her. I’m disappointed in how things are I suppose but I am doing my best.

I didn't go on holidays when I was a kid.

I paid for my own driving lessons and bought my own car, by having a job (as well as studying) as a teenager.

I'm a very successful adult.

You're being ridiculously negative.

SapphireOpal · 20/11/2024 17:25

FreeeTruman · 20/11/2024 12:52

Put some figures into an overpayment calculator and try to pay a small amount off each month, fifty quid will help a lot. Try to remember the payments will go down over time as your equity increases, and will feel a lot less as your wage goes up over time.
I worry about this too but doing some long term calculations has really helped.
At 57 you will also be able to use tax free lump sum from your pension if you need to

Why would the payments go down as equity increases? Or do you just mean if you overpay?

SapphireOpal · 20/11/2024 17:22

How many years on your mortgage?

IIRC, inheritance tax is only applicable over £1m if it's a couple with a home they live in - so you'll get loads from your parents when they die even if there is some tax due!

Justcaant · 20/11/2024 17:18

i feel such a failure in so many ways. I won’t be taking dd on holiday for the foreseeable and things like helping her do driving lessons or helping buying a car are just not going to be possible. I know not everyone has these things and it’s not the end of the world but like a lot of people I hoped I would be able to do these things for her. I’m disappointed in how things are I suppose but I am doing my best.

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Luddite26 · 20/11/2024 16:00

Justcaant · 20/11/2024 08:04

I don’t feel I can rely on inheritance, their home is 900k, there are 2 of us siblings and any tax will surely wipe out anything that could come to us. My parents also want to travel and do things so it may be there is nothing there anyway.

That amount won't be wiped out with tax. More chance of it being wiped out with care fees than inheritance tax.
Just keep going through the tunnel with your fingers crossed. Having a mortgage is a better position to e in than renting these days.
I think you are maybe feeling anxious because of all you've been through that's understandable.

Justcaant · 20/11/2024 14:23

Thank you for all the support. Having such a low day today and feel panic striken. Thanks for all the ideas and suggestions and just general telling me to get some perspective. The last year has been an absolute stressful nightmare and I’m only just coming to terms with it all.

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Recentgradneedingachance · 20/11/2024 13:23

Just get a lodger for 1 of the rooms to help with mortgage

RedHelenB · 20/11/2024 13:16

If your parents are well off you're more than likely to get sone inheritance surely?

Retiredearly61 · 20/11/2024 13:05

Look on Rightmove and see how much it costs to rent your type of house, chances are it will be higher than your mortgage. At least buying you will ultimately own it, renters never will. And as pp have said generally your mortgage payment becomes a smaller proportion of your take home pay whereas rents go up.

FreeeTruman · 20/11/2024 12:52

Justcaant · 20/11/2024 07:39

I’m 40 soon and last year separated from a long term partner. I now have our DD all week and he has her EOW. CMS is sorted but the real issue is that I now own a home alone (we rented previously as were saving for a house).

I have a 240k mortgage to pay off. I may never actually pay it off. I feel completely financially stuck. I am constantly worried about my job and bills. I have 1.5k in savings and try and add 100 a month but it’s hard. I never thought at 40 I would be in this situation. My parents are reasonably well off and I was brought up in a way that is now totally different to my daughter and I feel terrible about that too. I keep thinking I will be old and alone and unable to pay bills so end up on the streets. I am waking every day at 3am for some reason and just going over and over this and there is no way out. I wish I had made better financial decisions when younger and now it’s too late to fix it. How do I cope with this and accept where I am? I don’t want this to rub off on our child.

Put some figures into an overpayment calculator and try to pay a small amount off each month, fifty quid will help a lot. Try to remember the payments will go down over time as your equity increases, and will feel a lot less as your wage goes up over time.
I worry about this too but doing some long term calculations has really helped.
At 57 you will also be able to use tax free lump sum from your pension if you need to

SweetSakura · 20/11/2024 12:19

Startinganew32 · 20/11/2024 12:14

Loads of them haven’t actually paid tax on the money. My mum bought her house for 87k in 1994. It’s now worth over 500k. She absolutely has not paid tax on the enormous windfall she has acquired due to the rise in property prices.

Exactly.
So many people have gained staggering amounts without "working for it"

Startinganew32 · 20/11/2024 12:14

Imjustlikeyou2 · 20/11/2024 11:15

I still find inheritance tax a total piss take, those people have paid tax on the money already and 40% is so high!

Loads of them haven’t actually paid tax on the money. My mum bought her house for 87k in 1994. It’s now worth over 500k. She absolutely has not paid tax on the enormous windfall she has acquired due to the rise in property prices.