To ask why you support the farmers, regarding inheritance tax?

Could you possibly link it. I can't think of any of the figures put out by anybody that could categorically say that 'x' farms will be sold. Just that 'x' numbers will be worth more than the threshold. In which case they are still getting a better deal on IHT than the general public.

It was referenced on Channel 4 news program, with Krishnan Guru-Murthy interviewing a Labour person, talking about the inheritance tax issues. Worth looking up, the interview was quite thorough.

Can you show me the government statistic showing 500 were likely to be sold?

My first link mentions 1,000 protesters so not that tiny. Also, to add to my previous list, more than 100 tractors rolled past the Houses of Parliament in March this year;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-68655661

I also think because the popular Jeremy Clarkson is the figurehead, these have received widespread media attention and coverage.

Well yes, although not forgetting of course that Clarkson backed Remain in the referendum.

These are UK wide and also supported by the likes of Farage and Tommy Robinson

Also supported by the likes of Ed Davey and the Liberal Democrats, Plaid Cymru and the SNP.

@Clavinova
Those protests were really small in comparison and the much poorer hill and sheep farmers were right to be worried about Brexit. I also think because the popular Jeremy Clarkson is the figurehead, these have received widespread media attention and coverage. I think he got a big cheer from farmers when he arrived!

Every Facebook page that is remotely connected to farming is showing clips and photos of tractors driving in protest convoys. These are UK wide and also supported by the likes of Farage and Tommy Robinson.

I've just googled that and a video clip posted on X only lasts 14 seconds with several tractors obviously adjusting their steering to move out of the way (but not necessary in the end?) Is there a longer clip or did the ambulance get through after 14 seconds?

When millionaires protest in their tractors, and ambulances are blocked, nothing happens.

When ordinary people protest for a liveable climate, people are sent to jail just for talking to one another over zoom!

Fucking outrageous, whatever your views on the actual issues being protested about.

The right to peaceful protest, even if disruptive, belongs to everyone.

And that's been the issue with the media coverage on this - it's focused on farmers.

But owners of trading businesses (a portfolio of rental properties isn't considered a trading business for this purpose) could, until the budget pass on their business effectively iht free by using business property relief. As apr, this has now been restricted to £1m

Many businesses will be affected.

Other types of family businesses will be affected by the changes to Business Property Relief (BPR) although I'm not sure which types previously qualified;

https://www.gravita.com/big-changes-ahead-for-inheritance-tax-relief-on-businesses/

Has anybody pointed out yet that all the tractors blocked in an ambulance that was doing blues and twos trying to get through and couldn’t? Due a Five year sentence I believe all the numberplates were visible.

Surely this no inheritance tax should be extended to other businesses. Own a private hotel/boarding house or portfolio of rental properties shouldn't the owner be able to hand them down to their children free of inheritance tax?

BurntBroccoli
meaning UK will leave the Common Agricultural Policy

The EU's Common Agricultural Policy is flawed and much criticised across the political spectrum. There's no reason why England (and the devolved nations) could not shape better policies of their own. Not to mention that we were paying billions of pounds each year in contributions to support French farmers.

ensuring EU imports meet the same welfare/environmental standards as UK grown produce

The EU couldn't ensure that Poland produced food to the same welfare standards as the UK. How is the EU going to ensure welfare/environmental standards with the Mercosur trade deal?

https://www.greenpeace.org/eu-unit/issues/nature-food/47322/want-to-do-something-good-for-farmers-stop-the-eu-mercosur-trade-deal/
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/irish-ngos-warn-mercosur-will-speed-up-collapse-of-family-farms/
https://www.politico.eu/article/mercosur-deal-farmers-france-country-eu-bloc-trade-south-america/

BurntBroccoli
Saw this article on BlueSky written by Miles King
No farmer protests

I'm not on BlueSky but a quick google reveals a number of farmers' protests and demonstrations across those years although not all because of Brexit:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/03/23/farmers-march-on-london-in-latest-cry-for-help-for-embattled-ind/
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-08-15/sheep-herded-along-whitehall-by-anti-brexit-campaigners
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-54736413
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-10-04/is-there-a-pig-farming-crisis-and-will-it-affect-christmas-dinners
https://www.fwi.co.uk/news/video-farmers-block-supermarket-depots-in-price-protests
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/feb/15/british-farmers-plan-more-french-style-tractor-protests-this-weekend

Saw this article on BlueSky written by Miles King.

2016
Tories Boris Johnson & Michael Gove win the Brexit referendum, meaning UK will leave the Common Agricultural Policy.
No farmer protests.

2017
Tory Government under Theresa May commits UK to leave the Single Market/Customs union. These mechanisms allow free unfettered market access for UK exports, while ensuring EU imports meet the same welfare/environmental standards as UK grown produce.
No Farmer Protests.

2018
Michael Gove leads "landmark Agriculture Bill, to deliver green Brexit" promising farmers to get as much in new farm payments for public goods, as they got before from the CAP.
Meanwhile ERG Tories push for "No Deal Brexit' which would be catastrophic for UK farmers.
No farmer protests

Wars between rival Tory factions continue over whether to pursue a no-deal Brexit or not.
Work to develop new post-Brexit ELMS scheme to pay farmers for public goods continues at snail's pace.
Boris Johnson illegally prorogues Parliament.
No farmer protests.

Boris Johnson pushes through with his plans for a hard Brexit. UK leaves the EU. Timetable laid out for farmers to lose their CAP subsidies. Still no sign of the ELMS scheme that will replace them. Rishi Sunak announces he will abolish Red Diesel subsidy for farmers.
No farmer protests.

Still no sign of the post-Brexit public goods payment scheme, apart from one small pilot for Sustainable Farming Incentive. CAP payments start to be reduced.
Ominous sounds from the Tories about Trade Deals which will undermine UK food production.

No farmer protests

Roll out of post-Brexit farm payments delayed further. Boris Johnson ousted.
UK signs trade agreements with Australia & New Zealand threatening domestic beef/lamb production. UK fails to benefit from post-Covid economic bounce in EU, stymied by export barriers.
No farmer protests.

Post-Brexit farm payments launched chaotically. Ukraine war production costs. CAP subsidies continue to reduce, farmers can't get ELMS payments. Farm exports to EU continue to be badly affected by Brexit.
Tories plan to remove tax breaks from double cab pick ups.
No farmer protests.

Labour wins General Election.

Labour announce changes to Inheritance Tax - to stop the very wealth using farmland as a tax shelter. The changes mean a few hundred of the largest farms and estates per year, will pay Inheritance Tax, but with 50% off.

Multiple Farmer Protests!

Also one farmer admits the IHT is simply the straw that broke the camel's back. The Right wing have seized on this opportunity to bring down the government via the farmers.

Of course farms will be sold. Even the governments own statistics show it to be 500 a year likely to be sold. New owners certainly will bring more modern ideas i.e. why grow our food in this country when it can be outsourced so much cheaper, grown with pesticides that are banned in this country? The land is more profitable as housing and business estates that the rich invest in.

I suspect very few generational farms will be sold. Please don't fall for the custodians of the land line. We can of course grow food if the farm owner changes. In fact if they are as unprofitable as is always claimed, perhaps new ownership would bring modern techniques with greater yield.

I don't know how many are sold. But a great many more will be sold probably to agri-businesses, thus changing the shape of our landscape and the habitats of many animals. We do need to grow food, we cannot import it all - food insecurity is dangerous for any nation.

Yes I saw on the news we had another day of slow driving moaning and weeping from our (rich) poor farmers again today. If it hadn't been on the news I'd of thought that was just a normal day for a farmer as it is all they seem to do.

All driving along in their American, Finnish, Brazilian (anywhere apart from UK) built tractors. 😏

Google the farms the people in todays BBC report and then look up the land they sit on and the subsidy payments they receive.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr5629zjqq3o

Wonder how many of these farms actually do get sold when a parent dies.

Doesn't mean you know anything about farming.

We own a farm, not in UK, and it passes down without IHT so no skin in this game personally. But farming is really hard in a way my former job in London wasn’t. It really is 24/7. I have found myself outside in freezing temps helping animals birth on Christmas Eve at 2am and you never switch off- the farm and the animal welfare is always on your mind- or this is how it is for many smaller family farms. The alternative is land is snapped up by big corporates like in USA- Google how much agricultural land Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos own- I would rather buy from
a small family farm locally produced food than what the big corporate farms produce. And a million is nothing in terms of the cost of tractors, balers, seeders - a few bits of equipment could easily be worth that. So without equipment and enough land these family farms will cease to exist.

Again you make assumptions and put words into my mouth that were never there nor even implied in any post I have made on this or similar threads

Accusing me of being a problem with no basis whatsoever is just an aggressive post for no good reason. I've no interest in continuing in this line of conversation, it never results in anything worthwhile to read for anyone.

Well, if it's acceptable to you- as it seems- that any farmers- who are supposed to be custodians of our land and nature- are in fact ignorant of that very land and nature, then I'm afraid you are definitely part of the problem rather than the solution.

One farmers opinion and experience does not equal all farmers and their experiences, that is a nastly, ill thought out little prejudice pigeonhole of your making not mine.

If you read some of my posts you will discover I have wildlife conservation land management experience as well and identification of British wildlife is one of my key skills.

You do not get to put words into my mouth nor thoughts into my head that are not there.

If one farmer shows ignorance that is on one farmer not on all of them. Ignorance is not limited to the farming community either.

Yeah, but considering you all trumpet about being "preservers of the countryside" and "guardians of nature" would it be unreasonable to expect you to know the basics about what nature is? This guy says there's "plenty of nature" on his farm, but ask him to specify what birds, insects, wildflowers, mammals etc there are exactly and he couldn't tell you. Largely because all he's got is crows, perennial ryegrass and blackthorn.

Yeah well, given that the farmer in question is the chair of the Parish Council I'd tend to agree with you.