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By making Jeremy Clarkson their spokesperson, Farmers have shot themselves in the foot

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Coolasfeck · 19/11/2024 14:34

JC openly admitted to becoming a farmer to avoid IHT. Why do farmers think having him as the figurehead will help them? Just because he’s off the telly doesn’t mean ordinary people will support him. It makes them all appear to be out of touch millionaires.

Feels like a spectacular own goal. Either that or the media is setting them up by making him the focus.

Quote from Sky News:

‘Those generous reliefs have made agriculture an attractive investment for those seeking to shelter wealth from the taxman.

Clarkson, the UK's highest profile farmer - and opponent of the government's plans - said as much when promoting his Amazon series about becoming the proprietor of Diddly Squat Farm in Oxfordshire.

"Land is a better investment than any bank can offer. The government doesn't get any of my money when I die. And the price of the food that I grow can only go up," he told the Times.

Mr Clarkson is far from alone. Private and institutional investors, along with so-called "lifestyle" farmers funding purchases from previous careers, like the former Top Gear presenter and his Oxfordshire neighbour, the Blur bassist Alex James, now dominate agricultural land purchases.’

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/whats-the-beef-with-farmers-inheritance-tax-13256257

What's the beef with farmers' inheritance tax?

As thousands of farmers cry foul over tax measures in the budget, Sky News explains the issues at stake and why they feel so aggrieved.

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/whats-the-beef-with-farmers-inheritance-tax-13256257

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FranticHare · 19/11/2024 21:50

HeadNorth · 19/11/2024 20:38

Doctors heal us - still have to pay tax
Teachers educate us - still have to pay tax
Many professions are essential- still not tax exempt.

But to be a teacher, you don’t need anything more than a qualification. Same as doctor, or solicitor, or many other professions. I’m not saying those qualifications aren’t hard work, and that they don’t take time, but that is ‘all’ you need. The right attitude, and the right capability, and you can do it.

To be a farmer is fundamentally different. You need land, and plenty of it. And it has to be the right land. No point growing crops on the side of a mountain. And that land needs to be in one place, accessible for the farming machinery required, or so you can easily rotate the fields your animals are on.

You need to understand your land. What works, what doesn’t, where it floods, where it doesn’t. What grows well, what doesn’t. What the soil needs. So much more. That only comes from experience. Working on your parents farm for years, learning all that you can from your parents, working every waking hour, 7days a week. Few if any holidays.

All that can only come from generational farming. Passing the land and knowledge that takes years to acquire from one generation to the next. The vast majority of farmers could not be farmers if their parents weren’t.

If you evict all the farmers that know their land because of an ill thought out IHT policy, so much knowledge will be lost. Generations of knowledge. You won’t get that back. And once that farm is sold off to building, or solar farms, or wind - the land is lost. Forever. And now we have to import even more food, adding more food miles, and increasing our food costs.

But hey. Instead of listening to the farming community, let’s lose all our farms, and then see how that works out. I mean history teaches us nothing about being cut off from food imports…. Food rationing again anyone?

setpieces · 19/11/2024 21:48

Farmers owning land worth several million, that has been exempt from IHT since time immemorial, threatening food poverty on others are the ones who should be ashamed.

(And most of them voted for Brexit. You fucked over me and my family so zero sympathy now they're coming for your tax exemption.)

PCOSisaid · 19/11/2024 21:00

HeadNorth · 19/11/2024 20:38

Doctors heal us - still have to pay tax
Teachers educate us - still have to pay tax
Many professions are essential- still not tax exempt.

Doctors also get to charge ridiculous day rates and earn tens of thousands of pounds a year after expenses. Many, many, many farmers are working for less than minimum wage to keep their farm secure and provide for us.

They also don’t get to decide how much their land is worth, it’s not like you can just move as a farmer.

Take where I live in Yorkshire, green belt land, house prices are insane because it has an easy access to the city for work: so guess what, all the doctors etc on silly money live here and will pay a premium for it. Then gleefully rub their hands whilst their money is tied up in investments, watching the country side fail.

The land that is being farmed has been in generations for 100s of years and barely turns a profit thanks to the likes of Tesco, Asda etc.

Honestly some people should be ashamed of themselves- literally biting the hand that feeds you? And for many of those, so what? Taxing farmers is only going to put the food prices up, so you probably won’t be able to see a doctor any quicker etc anyway, because more people will be ill due to food poverty. More social spending will be needed due to food price increases. Or we could just eat the throw up houses some people would like to be seen built on green belt land.

MrsPeterHarris · 19/11/2024 21:00

We'll have to agree to disagree @HeadNorth

HeadNorth · 19/11/2024 20:53

MrsPeterHarris · 19/11/2024 20:46

I agree @HeadNorth but none of those professions are reliant on their DCs carrying on the family job to keep providing that essential service.

Well, they are reliant on someone doing it - you don’t get tax breaks for it happening to be your offspring. Still not clear why farmers think they are so special.

Round my way the farmer dug up all the hedgerows years ago, destroying wildlife havens and increasing flood risk. The latest money making wheeze seems to be solar farms, since they’ve fucked a lot of their land. Fresh blood might be beneficial at this stage.

MrsPeterHarris · 19/11/2024 20:46

I agree @HeadNorth but none of those professions are reliant on their DCs carrying on the family job to keep providing that essential service.

setpieces · 19/11/2024 20:44

@Aliciainwunderland
People who aren't farmers did backbreaking work to leave something for their next generation.
Still have to pay tax on it.

Farming families are inheriting a valuable asset. I don't see why that shouldn't attract IHT - in fact I'm astonished it was previously completely exempt.

HeadNorth · 19/11/2024 20:38

MrsPeterHarris · 19/11/2024 20:35

Because they feed us @Bloom15 & we need that to continue generation through generation.

Doctors heal us - still have to pay tax
Teachers educate us - still have to pay tax
Many professions are essential- still not tax exempt.

MrsPeterHarris · 19/11/2024 20:35

Because they feed us @Bloom15 & we need that to continue generation through generation.

Bloom15 · 19/11/2024 20:33

ExtraOnions · 19/11/2024 15:16

He is the face of the campaign whether farmers like it or not.

A millionaire hobby farmer, who openly said he bought the land to dodge tax. Who boats about killing protected species. He’s exactly the kind of person the government is targeting.

First three million tax free… and let’s not forget they barely raised a murmur about the amount of income they lost due to Brexit.

They should be more taxed for the river pollution alone.

No idea why they think they are such a special case .. what other occupation shouod be exempt?

I do agree with this actually - everyone else has to pay why are they a special case?!

MrsPeterHarris · 19/11/2024 20:26

I know @Aliciainwunderland - it's staggering how people can't make this connection. It really does feel like a race to the bottom these days.

PassingStranger · 19/11/2024 20:11

Was that jeremys final answer.🙄

Aliciainwunderland · 19/11/2024 19:24

FranticHare · 19/11/2024 19:17

Agree with all of this.

It is astonishing how people are literally biting the hand that feeds them.

whether you like Clarkson or not is irrelevant. He is just 1 farmer. And yes, his land is used for food production, so yes he is a farmer. We need more land producing food, not less! Why people are arguing for less food on their plates is baffling. You think food can be expensive now - you wait till 75% is imported!

The farmer hate is crazy. Calling them greedy, selfish ect when they work for less than minimum wage when you add in all the hours.

the reason there has been an inheritance tax break is so farms can pass to the people who are working them. Back breaking work to get food on our tables.

what is so hard to understand that this is not the same as inheritance tax on your parents house?

what is so hard to understand that this will directly affect everyone of us?

Noras · 19/11/2024 19:17

CheeseCakeSunflowers · 19/11/2024 16:06

*MarkWithaC *Sorry I wasn't very clear. The signing land over early would be to take advantage of the 7 year rule, assuming we lived for 7 years after signing. The point about lowering land prices was referring to the new tax measures which might mean agricultural land is no longer attractive to big investors and if its only genuine farmers who are looking to buy then the price might fall.

Yes but the way things of going I would imagine that the CGT reliefs will be the next thing to go. So farmer like everyone else will have to stomach a CGT bill when they give their farms away. If roll over relief has not been abolished yet it will be.

FranticHare · 19/11/2024 19:17

unrsnblyannoyd · 19/11/2024 19:12

Yep let's carry on the attacks on these greedy callous capitalist farmers. You know what? Clarkson at least doesn't try to hide who and what he is. And the fact he's there brings publicity which is much needed. I am absolutely sick to the back teeth of people who have never set foot on a farm longer than a petting zoo setting out the evils of farming. Keep it up. If the shelves aren't empty now they soon will be. Those empty fields will soon be home to your affordable (not) housing. And your food will be chemically induced chemically created junk and the world will wail what is wrong with our health why are we sicker than ever. And the answer will be this. Sickened.

Agree with all of this.

It is astonishing how people are literally biting the hand that feeds them.

whether you like Clarkson or not is irrelevant. He is just 1 farmer. And yes, his land is used for food production, so yes he is a farmer. We need more land producing food, not less! Why people are arguing for less food on their plates is baffling. You think food can be expensive now - you wait till 75% is imported!

unrsnblyannoyd · 19/11/2024 19:12

Yep let's carry on the attacks on these greedy callous capitalist farmers. You know what? Clarkson at least doesn't try to hide who and what he is. And the fact he's there brings publicity which is much needed. I am absolutely sick to the back teeth of people who have never set foot on a farm longer than a petting zoo setting out the evils of farming. Keep it up. If the shelves aren't empty now they soon will be. Those empty fields will soon be home to your affordable (not) housing. And your food will be chemically induced chemically created junk and the world will wail what is wrong with our health why are we sicker than ever. And the answer will be this. Sickened.

username358 · 19/11/2024 19:10

derxa · 19/11/2024 18:42

But all of that is irrelevant because your opinion of him doesn’t change anything. I think he’s so wealthy the money doesn’t bother him.

No one's opinion on here changes anything.

The tax does bother him because he's selfish and greedy. He should go to his local foodbank and tell them all his woes.

HeadNorth · 19/11/2024 19:04

Barbadossunset · 19/11/2024 18:44

Grouse moorland is shocking for biodiversity because it is managed to be like that.

I’m sure that is true but were grouse shooting to be banned, would the moors be reforested?

If you are genuinely interested, there is much campaigning in Scotland against the environmental and social damage of grouse moors https://revive.scot/

In a nutshell, many large landowners do not necessarily manage their land in a way that is good for locals, the environment or the planet.

Revive – The coalition for grouse moor reform

The coalition for grouse moor reform

https://revive.scot

PCOSisaid · 19/11/2024 19:03

Why shouldn’t they be tax exemptions for essential goods and services. Labour have fucked up big time. Increase taxes on luxury items, not basic food production.

We are an island - and just like in previous world wars it would be very easy for an enemy to completely cut us off receiving food imports, and we will all be asked to farm any land we have. Given the instability in Europe it’s very short sighted to piss off the people who feed us.

I live in a green belt (house is over 100 years old) and I am surrounded by farm land, traditional sports (like shooting), there is so much heritage and culture here, it’s an amazing place to live. IHT will just ensure that all of that will disappear within a generation after the real greedy fuckers (giant corporations) buy up all the land and farm it to death, reducing the quality of food, whilst no doubt putting up the prices too.

Wellingtonspie · 19/11/2024 18:57

Isatis · 19/11/2024 18:56

Not really. He's still playing around, witness the nonsense of purporting to try to sell nettle soup at £10 a carton. In the last series he claimed to have invented something to keep piglets safe which has been around for years.

The whelping rails did make me laugh.

We had them for breeding dogs over 10 year ago.

Isatis · 19/11/2024 18:56

derxa · 19/11/2024 18:47

He has genuinely learnt farming skills. He’s a farmer who works on his farm. Why is that so difficult to understand.

Not really. He's still playing around, witness the nonsense of purporting to try to sell nettle soup at £10 a carton. In the last series he claimed to have invented something to keep piglets safe which has been around for years.

derxa · 19/11/2024 18:47

Abhannmor · 19/11/2024 18:45

Be fair though, it's not just so he can avoid death duties - it's also so he can play with his quad bikes.

He has genuinely learnt farming skills. He’s a farmer who works on his farm. Why is that so difficult to understand.

Abhannmor · 19/11/2024 18:45

Be fair though, it's not just so he can avoid death duties - it's also so he can play with his quad bikes.

Barbadossunset · 19/11/2024 18:44

Grouse moorland is shocking for biodiversity because it is managed to be like that.

I’m sure that is true but were grouse shooting to be banned, would the moors be reforested?

derxa · 19/11/2024 18:42

username358 · 19/11/2024 18:28

I don't like him because he's a racist aggressive arse who is throwing his toys out of the pram because he might have to part with some of his vast wealth. He also supports fox hunting.

But all of that is irrelevant because your opinion of him doesn’t change anything. I think he’s so wealthy the money doesn’t bother him.