Page 24 | Should we be worried about war

Seasidesand76 · 2024-11-19T11:45:38+00:00

Seen a lot in the news about Ukraine using USA missiles against Russia. I've been thinking more along the lines that it won't start a WW3 and will resolve at some point without the UK getting directly involved in war. But there seems to be more and more tension and threats of an all out war recently. Should we be worried about WW3? I haven't been prepping or anything but does make me wonder if I should start getting a few days worth of food in case. At the same time I don't want to go down the prepper hole and start getting over the top.

MissConductUS · 19/11/2024 18:40

SuzieNine · 19/11/2024 17:36

The 'components that rot' as you put it include the initiator - you know that funky little golfball right at the centre of the fission core that provides a burst of thermal neutrons right at the critical moment and requires the entire fission core to be dismantled to replace. It uses Po-210 - the same stuff as in older models of smoke alarms, and needs to be replaced with the same (or higher) frequency. Russian warheads still use these.

Additionally, warheads require significant quantities of tritium (either as a booster or as a primary fuel in older fusion designs) and with a half life of only 12 years this also requires continuous replenishment. This is why the UK MOD has to regularly transport warheads to and from RNAD Coulport to AWE - each warhead has to go back to AWE once or twice a year for a wee refresher.

The 7000 employees at AWE Aldermaston and Burghfield aren't all just sitting around playing Dobble.

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Even the electro-mechanical components require periodic inspection and refurbishing. These are not simple devices.

Inside the delicate art of maintaining America’s aging nuclear weapons

Given the high level of corruption in the Russian military, I'd be surprised if they were really on top of this.

In this image provided by the U.S. Air Force, Chief Master Sgt. Andrew Zahm speaks in front of the top of a Minuteman III intercontinental ballistic missle shroud at F.E. Warren Air Force Base, Wyo., Aug. 16, 2023. Zahm has worked on the military's nuc...

Inside the delicate art of maintaining America's aging nuclear weapons

The U.S. will spend more than $750 billion over the next decade to overhaul nearly every part of its nuclear defenses and replace systems that in some cases are more than 50 years old.

https://apnews.com/article/nuclear-warheads-military-bomb-plutonium-6b86198def4516cebe496c9f5fbfbb75

DogInATent · 19/11/2024 18:38

Artistbythewater · 19/11/2024 18:36

We are a nuclear country with the most advanced war fare. Do not fret. A war these days won’t be won with boots on the ground…

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Wars can only be won by boots on the ground. It's sort of baked into the calculation of who won. You can't hold or occupy territory unless you're standing on it.

MagicFox · 19/11/2024 18:37

Nogaxeh · 19/11/2024 18:34

I'm very concerned that Britain isn't ready to defend itself, and isn't reacting with the urgency required to be able to defend itself at some point in the future.

We've been very complacent about our security for a long time and we'll have no-one to blame but ourselves when the chickens come home to roost.

All the arguments over minor tax and spending decisions will look very petty when we realise that we've massively underspent on defence for many years and wished that we hadn't.

I totally agree with this

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 19/11/2024 18:37

We have had a lot of visitors to the Ukraine threads over the last (nearly) 3 years. They get short shrift. They are very easily identified, initially come in with a 'reasonable' tone but give themselves away quite quickly.

Nogaxeh · 19/11/2024 18:37

herecomesautumn · 19/11/2024 18:32

@SuperfluousHen I'm a wee bit thick so please could you explain about NATO in the region.

If Ukraine were in NATO then I'm assuming the russians wouldn't have launched a murderous savage and barbaric invasion 🤷🏻‍♀️

The Baltic States are in NATO. Used to be in the USSR. Used to be part of the Russian Empire. Substantial Russian-speaking minority. Very similar to Ukraine. Not invaded by Russia.

If Ukraine had joined NATO at the same time the Baltic States had then Russia would not had dared to invade in 2014 or 2022.

DogInATent · 19/11/2024 18:36

Alexandra2001 · 19/11/2024 18:23

Yes that was sort of my understanding of it based on memory!

My point is that if we were to be involved in uk forces in Ukraine, we'd not have time to upgrade the Chally 2 barrels, i think the full swap out is years away!!!

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It's been done at least once, and the replacement gun and barrel itself is standard. If the UK is going to continue to operate the 2s alongside the 3s as they eventually come off the production line, something will have to be done as the Ukrainian ammunition expenditure won't have been part of the original calculation - although given how few 2s Ukraine are operating it may be a while before stocks run low enough to be critical. There will be sufficient war stocks for a deployment.

thingymijigi · 19/11/2024 18:36

Both sides are already talking about a negotiated settlement. However, it will ramp up in the short term as both Ukraine and Russia will want to be in the best negotiating position in advance. It's usual tactics.

Artistbythewater · 19/11/2024 18:36

Nogaxeh · 19/11/2024 18:34

I'm very concerned that Britain isn't ready to defend itself, and isn't reacting with the urgency required to be able to defend itself at some point in the future.

We've been very complacent about our security for a long time and we'll have no-one to blame but ourselves when the chickens come home to roost.

All the arguments over minor tax and spending decisions will look very petty when we realise that we've massively underspent on defence for many years and wished that we hadn't.

We are a nuclear country with the most advanced war fare. Do not fret. A war these days won’t be won with boots on the ground…

Nogaxeh · 19/11/2024 18:34

I'm very concerned that Britain isn't ready to defend itself, and isn't reacting with the urgency required to be able to defend itself at some point in the future.

We've been very complacent about our security for a long time and we'll have no-one to blame but ourselves when the chickens come home to roost.

All the arguments over minor tax and spending decisions will look very petty when we realise that we've massively underspent on defence for many years and wished that we hadn't.

Charlize43 · 19/11/2024 18:34

I'd like to go out in vintage chiffon. Nothing too obvious. Black is definitely out. Maybe a nice emerald colour. Lots of layers of chiffon, so when they drop the nukes I can flare up from green to red like a glorious roman candle.

I wonder if chiffon is just too Barbara Cartland... Definitely don't want to be wearing anything tailored in an atomic blast. No shoulder pads and peplum. Far too uncomfortable.

SoiledMyselfDuringSomeTurbulence · 19/11/2024 18:33

Artistbythewater · 19/11/2024 18:28

Exactly, how bloody insulting!

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And racist, really.

Artistbythewater · 19/11/2024 18:33

icecreamscoops · 19/11/2024 18:31

Sweden! However Norway and finland also sent out the leaflet, it made it to the bbc news

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They are neighbours living right next door to a madman. Of course they are going to send out leaflets. I’m sure they wish the geography was different but it’s not.

KimFan · 19/11/2024 18:32

Absolutely no point worrying about it, so I don’t.

herecomesautumn · 19/11/2024 18:32

@SuperfluousHen I'm a wee bit thick so please could you explain about NATO in the region.

If Ukraine were in NATO then I'm assuming the russians wouldn't have launched a murderous savage and barbaric invasion 🤷🏻‍♀️

icecreamscoops · 19/11/2024 18:31

StandingSideBySide · 19/11/2024 16:54

Being prepared for those just in case times isn’t just about war.

You could get Ill and not be able to shop, or there could be snow. All sorts of things.
I always have extras in, yes even lots of toilet roll🤣.

If you have the space it’s worth doing.

PS Where are you @icecreamscoops ( if you’re ok to say ). Happy with basic longitude and latitude 🙃

Sweden! However Norway and finland also sent out the leaflet, it made it to the bbc news

Artistbythewater · 19/11/2024 18:31

SoiledMyselfDuringSomeTurbulence · 19/11/2024 18:31

Usually the way. I always seem to notice an uptick whenever Russia have taken an L or had some particularly unwelcome news, too. Funny that.

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Yes me too.

Lyannaa · 19/11/2024 18:31

Artistbythewater · 19/11/2024 18:29

We know lots of wonderful Ukrainians now, and every single one of them hates Russia and wants a democratic country and an outward looking future. They are fighting to the death for independence and bloody good on them. It is their country, their future and they will never surrender to Putin. Not a chance.

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👏👏👏👏

SoiledMyselfDuringSomeTurbulence · 19/11/2024 18:31

Artistbythewater · 19/11/2024 18:27

There are a lot of people posting with an agenda on this thread.

Usually the way. I always seem to notice an uptick whenever Russia have taken an L or had some particularly unwelcome news, too. Funny that.

herecomesautumn · 19/11/2024 18:30

@Verbena17 Tucker? You mean Carlson who has publicly stated that he's not a journalist and who was sacked from fox

Whats interesting about what he has to say?

Artistbythewater · 19/11/2024 18:29

We know lots of wonderful Ukrainians now, and every single one of them hates Russia and wants a democratic country and an outward looking future. They are fighting to the death for independence and bloody good on them. It is their country, their future and they will never surrender to Putin. Not a chance.

Lyannaa · 19/11/2024 18:28

SuperfluousHen · 19/11/2024 18:26

I think you need to look at the historical roots of this conflict. I’m not pro-Russia by any means, but I can see what’s blatantly obvious in terms of NATO’s behaviour in the region, not least the catastrophic loss of Ukrainian lives acting as its proxy.

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Not pro- Russia really?

NATO is an organisation designed to keep the peace.

Artistbythewater · 19/11/2024 18:28

SoiledMyselfDuringSomeTurbulence · 19/11/2024 18:27

There is of course no chance that Ukrainians might have any of their own agency here, that they might not actually fancy being occupied by Russia. Nah. They're only the West's proxies. Not real people like we are.

Exactly, how bloody insulting!

SoiledMyselfDuringSomeTurbulence · 19/11/2024 18:27

There is of course no chance that Ukrainians might have any of their own agency here, that they might not actually fancy being occupied by Russia. Nah. They're only the West's proxies. Not real people like we are.

Artistbythewater · 19/11/2024 18:27

There are a lot of people posting with an agenda on this thread.

SuperfluousHen · 19/11/2024 18:26

Cailin66 · 19/11/2024 18:20

So Russia taking over Ukraine is ok by you? Then Poland?

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I think you need to look at the historical roots of this conflict. I’m not pro-Russia by any means, but I can see what’s blatantly obvious in terms of NATO’s behaviour in the region, not least the catastrophic loss of Ukrainian lives acting as its proxy.