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Could dragons really exist?

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ThatBrightHelper · 19/11/2024 07:42

I am friends with someone of viking descent, and she told me that her ancestors were friends with dragons, just like How To Train Your Dragon! I find that really cool that dragons might not be that imaginary.

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SpottySpotSpots · 19/11/2024 08:56

No

Hoppinggreen · 19/11/2024 08:53

While I suppose dragons in some form may have existed I don't think that your friend claiming to be of viking descent is proof of that.
Dragons would have been more likely to inhabit warmer places as well due to them (probably) being cold blooded like reptiles are today.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 19/11/2024 08:53

The flying capacity is a red herring ( 😜) though. Many cultures’ dragons do not ‘fly’ . Most of the similar creatures in manuscripts and early paintings in the West are depicted as crawling or creeping on fairly short stumpy legs. The aerial exploits have become much more prevalent with the advent of modern photographic ( manipulated) media. The wings seemed to have been borrowed from the griffin, which is an earlier and metaphorical creature.

Lots of Saints were supposed to have battled and overcome dragons, Saint George is just the one we happen to have hung onto in the West. Saint Liphard is a very local saint to a small town on the Loire , who was supposed to have defeated a local dragon, who lived in the marshy banks of the river. For those of a sceptical mind, this symbolises both the triumph of religion over superstition and paganism, and the possibility of more hygienic practices and living conditions being introduced by the Saint.

But….in Murano, the glassmaking island in the Venetian Lagoon, the local saint, Donatus, did not just vanquish a dragon, he hung its bones above the altar of the main church. They were there in the 1990’s , although the Catholic modernisers had removed all but three ribs by 2009. I went to see it several times, you could get quite close. I thought it was most probably a large crocodile, although the skull seemed more arched ( I’m not a reptile expert).

Make of that what you will.

SoupDragon · 19/11/2024 08:51

JustinThyme · 19/11/2024 08:47

Or if they get really annoyed with one another, BBQ!

Or I could train them to blast the weeds - they could be really useful if they just got their backsides in gear and are the appropriate rocks.

Put some coal in the coop.

JustinThyme · 19/11/2024 08:47

SoupDragon · 19/11/2024 08:41

They could lay ready cooked eggs if they managed it

Or if they get really annoyed with one another, BBQ!

Or I could train them to blast the weeds - they could be really useful if they just got their backsides in gear and are the appropriate rocks.

SoupDragon · 19/11/2024 08:46

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 19/11/2024 08:43

I looked through my old copy of 'Noah's Ark in Pictures' and can find NO pictures of dragons (or Unicorns) so,

  1. Some animals never bothered to turn up, (thought it was fake news).
  2. Noah forgot about those animals, (he was a very old man at the time);
  3. They were extinct before Noah's time, (could also explain why there are not mentioned in the bible).
  4. They never did exist, (except in the heads of drunken, rampaging Vikings)
  5. Something else...

Noah's Ark is a whole other can of fire breathing worms

CHEESEY13 · 19/11/2024 08:43

Yeah, just like The Martians.

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 19/11/2024 08:43

I looked through my old copy of 'Noah's Ark in Pictures' and can find NO pictures of dragons (or Unicorns) so,

  1. Some animals never bothered to turn up, (thought it was fake news).
  2. Noah forgot about those animals, (he was a very old man at the time);
  3. They were extinct before Noah's time, (could also explain why there are not mentioned in the bible).
  4. They never did exist, (except in the heads of drunken, rampaging Vikings)
  5. Something else...
YearningForAWinteryWinter · 19/11/2024 08:42

Ask the Welsh why it's on their flag.

SprigatitoYouAndIKnow · 19/11/2024 08:41

Clearly they exist and developed invisibility as a camouflage. Stop all the big game hunters making dragon skin sofa's. Thank goodness we moved to roof tiles instead of thatch!

xILikeJamx · 19/11/2024 08:41

Iheartmysmart · 19/11/2024 08:07

I wish they did as I’d like a smallish one as a pet. It could sit on my shoulder and stare menacingly at annoying people on teams calls. And possibly make me toast using its fire breath.

My DS bought one of these from the Alchemists in York when we were on holiday - might do the trick on a teams call!

Could dragons really exist?
Could dragons really exist?
SoupDragon · 19/11/2024 08:41

JustinThyme · 19/11/2024 08:38

@OAPapparently - my chickens do that but in 20 years have yet to become fire breathing. I’ll tell them to try harder.

I think your DH was winding you up. Or was drunk at the time.

They could lay ready cooked eggs if they managed it

JustinThyme · 19/11/2024 08:41

God bless you, @ChocolateTelephone, for that! It was niggling me too.

JustinThyme · 19/11/2024 08:38

@OAPapparently - my chickens do that but in 20 years have yet to become fire breathing. I’ll tell them to try harder.

I think your DH was winding you up. Or was drunk at the time.

ChocolateTelephone · 19/11/2024 08:37

DrZaraCarmichael · 19/11/2024 08:02

"Of viking descent" - nah. She will not have any proof of what whatsoever. Vikings weren'r recording their births/marriages/deaths 1000 years ago to let you trace back properly.

Dinosaurs were sometimes big and sometimes flew, but the really big ones did not fly.

If dragons existed, do you not think someone, somewhere would have found bones?

Not to be a terrible pedant, but there were no flying dinosaurs 😬

There were flying reptiles during the same era as dinosaurs, called pterosaurs. Although sharing characteristics, the two groups were distinct from one another.

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 19/11/2024 08:36

I find it incredibly interesting that the Cyclops legend likely sprang from dwarf elephant fossils - the trunk cavity on the skull was mistaken for a massive eye, the eye sockets relatively insignificant.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/r7ewnt/cyclops_was_likely_inspired_by_pygmy_elephant/?rdt=40789

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 19/11/2024 08:36

There are words for dragon in many diverse cultures, so IMO some large, lizard-like reptile that’s long since died out (except for the ferocious Komodo) did give rise to the myth. It’s often thought that a forked tongue darting in and out would have resembled a flame.

I dare say a lot of old folk myths are based in the dim and distant past, well before anything was written down, on fact.

JustinThyme · 19/11/2024 08:35

TheDefiant · 19/11/2024 08:25

You should read the books about Pern by Anne McCaffrey.

They have little dragons in them.

Or like actual Toothless in the books.

MyNamesGaryAndImAddictedToChips · 19/11/2024 08:34

I've noticed some really odd posts lately. I am usually oblivious to most things, wrapped up in my own world, but even I am starting to think this is how they are training AI in what is "normal".

GingerLiberalFeminist · 19/11/2024 08:34

AnglesMortes · 19/11/2024 08:30

I listened to a podcast last night (Infinite Monkey Cage) in which they postulated that in the 17th century when dinosaur and other fossils were being found, they tried to fit the bones to prevailing folklore of the time.
So, reasonable to think that a big, sod-off dinosaur bone was from a dragon or other mythical creature

Ahh I've not caught up on latest series, thanks I'll listen!

Nothatgingerpirate · 19/11/2024 08:32

Also a lot of other stuff existed and was used, like hallucinogenic herb products etc.
Might explain the 🐲 dragons.

ByHardyRubyEagle · 19/11/2024 08:31

They’re mythological creatures. It’s possible that Vikings or other ancient races could have found dinosaur bones and labelled them as the magical creatures we know as dragons. But they were venerated as symbols for things, like strength for example, rather than being actual creatures they would fly. I mean Vikings are known for being seafaring aren’t they.

ChocolateTelephone · 19/11/2024 08:31

I don’t consider it to be possible in the literal sense of dragons as animals which walked the Earth. Had that been the case they would almost certainly be part of the fossil record, and there would be evidence of their impact on other animals which we do know existed. We also know from our understanding of biology and physics that the physical characteristics of dragons - e.g. being large flying reptiles which breathe fire - are not scientifically explicable.

Dragons form a significant part of the mythology of many countries. They capture our imaginations and play an important role in helping us define ideas about ourselves as humans, and our relationship to the world. Things don’t have to be literally true to tell us sincere truths about the world.

If you’re interested in the idea, the Earthsea books by Ursula le Guin are wonderful reads and portray a really interesting perspective on the mythological relationship between humans and dragons.

colddays · 19/11/2024 08:30

Apparently belief in elves is common in modern day Iceland.

I know people who believe in all host of magical / supernatural creatures like boggarts.
i love all that stuff. I’d like to believe in tree spirits and a whole host of woodland folk.

i don’t believe it, but I still like the idea of it!

CamelTail · 19/11/2024 08:30

NeighSayers · 19/11/2024 08:28

Yes come on OP. Dragons are just small fry compared to the alien deities! 🤔

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