To be so looking forward to how Beth will kill Jamie

Mind you, I was Team John too, like me men 'lived in'

KC maintains a lot of his handsomeness and charisma, he's a man who's aging well.

Gil Birmingham is also aging well.

All those murders? There is no way none of those drifters wouldn't have been missed.

Yes!

Got to admit though, most of the storylines are completely mad!

Yep.

I enjoy it but a lot of the storylines/plot points have you thinking "oh, come on!".

Kayce is just another level of beautiful.

Another one who so many people fancy and I don't get.

This reminds me of Tom Hardy.

8/10 women ... Phwaar.
Me ...eh?

Is this in the new season?

I haven't got that far yet.

Team Rip here, with Ryan as a good stand-in. I'll leave Walker for his many fans. (Mind you, I was Team John too, like me men 'lived in'.)😆

Got to admit though, most of the storylines are completely mad!

The bombing and attempted murders of a whole family? Come on that would have made international news! Not just quietly brushed under the carpet.

All those murders? There is no way none of those drifters wouldn't have been missed.

But it's not a documentary, so I just suspend all belief and enjoy it for what it is.

The person who applied and got the scholarship (and their family), are going to be delighted if the get it, and keep very quiet if they don't actually qualify.

Well to be fair, as pointed out above, Jamie went to this particular clinic because they wanted to keep the abortion quiet. So the clinic would have no expectation that they would come back and start making a fuss about the sterilisation as they explicitly told Jamie that was part of the deal.

Anyway, I guess my perspective (as a writer) is that dramatic license exists to give writers the ability to tell a fictionalised story in a way that reality doesn't permit.

I bet loads of people watched this episode and were shocked to learn for the first time that reservations performed sterilisations, even if the timeline was a decade or so out.

You feel differently and that's fine, but I don't really feel like arguing over it. This thread seems to be aimed at people who like Yellowstone, not hate it.

*their families

Yep.

One of the best known and most powerful men in the state's teenage daughter.

No reason whatsoever to think she's of native American ancestry.

But they're going to permanently sterilise her and take her young brother's (if they even knew he was her brother and didn't think he was a bf) consent/authority to do so.

Nah.

At any rate, this is just what the term “dramatic license” means

Maybe it's just me, but when there are huge holes in something that is being made pivotal/central to the plot, it taints the whole thing.

You're just irritated and eye rolling, instead of absorbed in & enjoying the story.

And on that subject, how many people have they killed and thrown down that ravine in no mans land? Don't any of them have families? Wouldn't there families have the slightest chance of knowing where they were last working/living? Wouldn't the coincidences of missing persons who were last known to be working again YS not start to build up?

I don't know what to say, other than no wonder the US has so many conspiracy theorists.

But I would presume his opinion/approach wasn't followed all the time by every clinic in the US or anywhere else; when time, resources etc are at a premium.
There's is also more risk.

That may not have been of concern to Dr Ryan but might have been to less gung ho clinicians.

My Mum was sterilised in the late 70s and it was TL.

But anyway, it's an anachronism in this show, it's a shit plot point, especially because it's so pivotal/central.

It's a diametrically different scenario (scholarship applications claiming indigenous ancestry, versus, being assumed to be of indigenous ancestry for the purpose of abortion and sterilisation, without explicit consent.

The person who applied and got the scholarship (and their family), are going to be delighted if the get it, and keep very quiet if they don't actually qualify.

The person who was permanently sterilised without explicit consent, and their family, are not going to be delighted and keep quiet. You are likely to be sued or accused of a crime at best ...... in the US you are likely to be shot at worst.
You are likely to end up in the papers. Your establishment may end up being closed down.

It's not really comparable.

And on that subject, another part of the storyline that doesn't work is how long it took Beth to tell her father, or anyone else, what Jamie dis. No way was that not coming out til her mid-late 30s

Jamie showed them Beth’s ID too, didn’t he, to explain that they ‘had’ to use that clinic as otherwise the news would get out. You’d think that would have made them wash their hands of it.

Until the 90s Irish hospitals were carrying out symphysiotomies and sawing through women’s pubic bones without consent - history (and present most likely) is riddled with these kinds of scandals.

I missed the other posts saying similar...feel free to gloss over...

Wasn't it that Jamie took Beth to a clinic on a reservation so that no one would know her and they could keep it secret? I am remembering from watching the episode what feels like years ago now, but at the time, any Native American woman who got an abortion was automatically given a hysterectomy, I presume as punishment/racist population control policy. Asshole though he is, Jamie had no choice about the hysterectomy, it was the only way she could have the abortion. And since the clinic was in a reservation for Native American women, pesky things like consent weren't needed.

Oh, it absolutely is.

And to earn commission from the pharmaceutical companies.

We've got family & friends there who always seem to be life threateningly ill and on a new drug treatment. In reality, there's very little wrong with them.

According to Wikipedia, “In 1971, Dr. James Ryan stated that he favored hysterectomies over tubal ligations because "it's more of a challenge... and it's [a] good experience for the junior resident"”

And I doubt, no matter how all native American people may look different, that a 100% Caucasian, wasp, blond young woman; wouldn't have been conspicuous and given them pause.

My daughter has enough indigenous ancestry (not American) to qualify for indigenous scholarships etc snd she is blonde-haired and blue-eyed with skin like milk. I have literally never been asked to supply proof of her ethnicity when filling out a form.

At any rate, this is just what the term “dramatic license” means. Thousands of films and TV shows that are “based on a true story” change when events actually happened, manufacture characters out of two or three different real people, attribute actions to different people than who originally undertook them, leave stuff out etc.

This isn’t even claiming to be based on a true story, it’s just riffing on something that was known to happen and ratcheting up the drama (by scripting it into a more recent context) because it’s a soap opera and that’s just part of the form.

That's quite literally what my parents said at the time, you can see why there is such a litigation culture here.

One of the medications I was injected with has a high rate of allergic reactions. The reason I had severe hallucinations is because I'm ND and one of the medications is contraindicated for children in particular with ADHD. They didn't think to check.

The pneumonia vaccine is only supposed to be given once in a lifetime and can result in anaphylactic shock. This was carefully explained here in the UK when my dad had it (the first time 🙄) and the nurse patted her epi-pen and defib packs to reassure him.

In New York they literally didn't tell him, stuck it in his arm then billed him as he was leaving.

Maybe they earn more from the drug companies than they could be sued
for!

Came out having been hooked up to an IV, on Oxygen for several hours and injected with a variety of medications without being asked - including the flu, shingles and pneumonia jabs

Is this because they want to charge as much as possible?