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to have not lost my rag at ward sister

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TheTidyBear · 18/11/2024 20:55

Spent 18 hours in A&E with elderly Dad in a corridor after he had a fall, they forgot to give him food, so I had to get some from the canteen, messed up his bloods twice, couldn't get pills into him so I had to help with that that. Also someone coughing up their lungs right next to me and Dad for several hours. There was also an incident where one of the patients in the mental health unit who was having an episode decided to start shouting at everyone in A&E.

Once he got onto a ward, I did a 2 hour journey home got 2 hours sleep, 2 hour journey back

Went to the nurses station on the ward, asked where my Dad is. Ward sister greeted me "what happened to hello, didn't your parents teach you any manners?"

Was I unreasonable to suppress the absolute rage boiling up in me and apologise and not fly off the fucking handle?

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TheTidyBear · 21/11/2024 11:15

PicturePlace · 21/11/2024 09:24

Are you a young man? That would go some way towards explaining your general attitude, and why you're unable to understand the nuances of being a small vulnerable distressed female in precarious situation with someone holding power over you.

Oh FGS, OP, you sound like an arsehole. You're the one close to losing the rag at someone, not the PP you're referring to. You're the dangerous one in this situation if you were considering flying oof the handle, and cane on here wanting praise for not doing so?! Most of us can keep our tempers no problem, and we don't blame "being a small vulnerable woman" for any anger problems.

You're projecting your issues onto me. You can't even keep your temper on an internet forum, and don't have the patience to digest information properly.

Also losing your rag does not mean flying off the handle.

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TheTidyBear · 21/11/2024 11:15

countrygirl99 · 21/11/2024 08:59

Given his issues she may well have been advised not to until he'd been evaluated and I don't know if you've ever tried to find food in a hospital outside public restaurant opening hours but it's usually crisps or a chocolate bar if the vending machine is actually working which it often isn't. Or it takes cash/card only and as you've come out in an emergency you only have card/cash.

Thanks, yes there's this, and also my Dad was delirious so I needed to be there to advocate for him when people were coming over to do bloods/investigations as it might have slowed his treatment down, and lessened his survival chances.

Also he's diabetic.

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MichaelSchofield1991 · 21/11/2024 10:03

Tenpackofaffirmationsacks · 19/11/2024 00:32

@TheTidyBear We are all in doubt now that the power trip that nurses are on is not misplaced, because a couple of them have come on and actually hinted that the threat of your dad being mistreated is real. Thanks for the head's up @MichaelSchofield1991 and @Justalittlenaughty.

What you've told us is that we as patients and relatives of patients, are right to be scared of you, because you will indeed give less favourable treatment to the patients whose relatives you don't like.

Absolutely bloody terrifying. My suspicions about how my poor old adorable dad was treated are now being confirmed. My mind couldn't quite comprehend how people (staff) could be unnecessarily cruel (I mean, what is the point is it just because they can?) But now I am realising that I wasn't wrong. I just didn't want to see it.

He was a lovely man. He wouldn't hurt a fly - it just wasn't inside of him to be rude to anyone. Neither were we. There was just a culture of bad attitude. They egged each other on.

As a patient I can identify with @Tittat50 too. You are 100% at their mercy. And they know it.

I have just read this properly, I am absolutely gobsmacked that you have insinuated I would harm patients. I would be more careful about what you write on here if I were you, that is absolutely insane! If you actually knew me, you would be very embarrassed.

countrygirl99 · 21/11/2024 09:53

There's some righteous arseholes on this thread and the OP isn't one of them.

PicturePlace · 21/11/2024 09:24

Are you a young man? That would go some way towards explaining your general attitude, and why you're unable to understand the nuances of being a small vulnerable distressed female in precarious situation with someone holding power over you.

Oh FGS, OP, you sound like an arsehole. You're the one close to losing the rag at someone, not the PP you're referring to. You're the dangerous one in this situation if you were considering flying oof the handle, and cane on here wanting praise for not doing so?! Most of us can keep our tempers no problem, and we don't blame "being a small vulnerable woman" for any anger problems.

Rosscameasdoody · 21/11/2024 09:05

PicturePlace · 21/11/2024 07:17

He hadn't eaten for 20 hours and they said they would get him some food.

Did you not get him anything to eat in 20 hours? Why on earth not? You wouldn't even get him something from a vending machine? Why?

We were in A&E for over 24 hours after my partner had an accident, and on informing the staff he was diabetic, they offered sandwiches and tea once they’d established he would not need surgery. Most vending machines in hospital only offer sweets and drinks - not really suitable.

countrygirl99 · 21/11/2024 09:01

And if he's elderly/diabetic vending machine options might not be suitable
E. G. MIL had to have a soft diet after her stroke and would have been unable to swallow anything from a vending machine without choking.

countrygirl99 · 21/11/2024 08:59

PicturePlace · 21/11/2024 07:17

He hadn't eaten for 20 hours and they said they would get him some food.

Did you not get him anything to eat in 20 hours? Why on earth not? You wouldn't even get him something from a vending machine? Why?

Given his issues she may well have been advised not to until he'd been evaluated and I don't know if you've ever tried to find food in a hospital outside public restaurant opening hours but it's usually crisps or a chocolate bar if the vending machine is actually working which it often isn't. Or it takes cash/card only and as you've come out in an emergency you only have card/cash.

PicturePlace · 21/11/2024 07:17

He hadn't eaten for 20 hours and they said they would get him some food.

Did you not get him anything to eat in 20 hours? Why on earth not? You wouldn't even get him something from a vending machine? Why?

TowerBallroom · 21/11/2024 06:03

vivainsomnia · 20/11/2024 21:39

That woman was a bully to a distressed relative, it's inexcusable behaviour and I'm glad OP will be putting in a complaint
Distress doesn't have to mean rudeness. Saying hello whilst making eye contact before asking for a service is what we teach toddlers. People should also do the same in shops.

Sadly people have become so self centered nowadays, feeling that they are the most important person in their environment and that their needs is above those of everyone else, too many have forgotten what good manners are. That nurse only tried to remind OP of it.

Distress/ anxiety/ fear/ neuro diversity and MH problems can cause people to lose the ability to filter or maintain social customs
Nurses are trained to empathise and understand, to deescalate and treat with compassion.
This was appalling, bullying and she's the ward sister.
Look at the NMC guidelines

TheTidyBear · 21/11/2024 01:57

ButterCrackers · 20/11/2024 22:07

The nurse was being rude to you. How dare she say that to you. I’d complain about her reception of you. You’re not at school. She’s not in charge of you. What a nasty piece of work she is. Keep a check on how she does her job

Thanks, I will.

I haven't had to deal with her since then, she seems to spend most of her time trying to get patients that have gone walkabout back into bed and has shouted at the porters.

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TheTidyBear · 21/11/2024 01:53

OneWildBiscuit · 20/11/2024 21:25

Why would it be a joke? Other people are entitled to be in A&E regardless of the cause of their illness.

The joke bit is people is people like you pointing out this rather obvious thing that nobody disagrees with.

While at the same time failing to understanding others are entitled to be upset and exhausted after spending 18 hours in an A&E corridor with a with people coughing and shouting at them while their relative is at deaths door.

But I guess you don't see the irony in the fact that you lack empathy yet come on here to educate others in the subject.

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ButterCrackers · 20/11/2024 22:07

The nurse was being rude to you. How dare she say that to you. I’d complain about her reception of you. You’re not at school. She’s not in charge of you. What a nasty piece of work she is. Keep a check on how she does her job

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 20/11/2024 22:06

@WriteAPaperNow I wonder if some people aren't even bothering to read the title properly and think it says "lost my rag" rather than "not lost my rag"?

Some people - probably those who have never been on the receiving end of very poor treatment or watched a love one endure it - also seem to idolise the NHS a bit. But it's an organisation made up of humans, some wonderful, some awful, lots in between, just like any other group of people on the planet.

WriteAPaperNow · 20/11/2024 22:03

vivainsomnia · 20/11/2024 21:39

That woman was a bully to a distressed relative, it's inexcusable behaviour and I'm glad OP will be putting in a complaint
Distress doesn't have to mean rudeness. Saying hello whilst making eye contact before asking for a service is what we teach toddlers. People should also do the same in shops.

Sadly people have become so self centered nowadays, feeling that they are the most important person in their environment and that their needs is above those of everyone else, too many have forgotten what good manners are. That nurse only tried to remind OP of it.

Do you really believe what you are saying?

The OP was tired and worried and asked a nurse where her dad was, without a smiling hello. Did that justify a professional saying, "what happened to hello, didn't your parents teach you any manners?"’

I would be furious if my resident doctors spoke to any relative like that and it would be discussed robustly in supervision. I would call the relative and apologise. It’s also a personal question that has the potential to upset; people whose parents have died, were abusive etc.

I can’t believe how many people think this nurse was reasonable.

If this was considered rude by the nurse, I dread to think how she would cope in A and E or similar environments. She would be delivering sermons to every drunk person that crossed the threshold.

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 20/11/2024 21:53

Distress doesn't have to mean rudeness. Saying hello whilst making eye contact before asking for a service is what we teach toddlers. People should also do the same in shops.

Saying hello (and OP does think she said hi) is ideal but it's very far from rude or abusive. It's certainly not the place of hospital staff to pull up another adult for it.
OP also had the sense and grace to apologise simply to diffuse the situation and get to her ill dad, so she's clearly not a rude or argumentative person.
But shame on that nurse.

Gettingbysomehow · 20/11/2024 21:50

I was a nurse forr 25 years and I recently lost my shit in hospital after being totally neglected for my whole stay an treated like a piece of meat. I put a formal complaint in too.

Pussycat22 · 20/11/2024 21:46

TheTidyBear, expert are you?

Mistletoewench · 20/11/2024 21:44

countrygirl99 · 20/11/2024 13:33

During covid my dad (93) was in A&E for 24 hours after a fall. When they called my brother to collect him they neglected to tell him that they had lost his shoes and 1 hearing aid and also he needed clean trousers as noone had helped him to the loo/ brought him a bedpan and he had wet himself. Then the security guy at the door had a go at DB for bringing his car to the entrance so my frail, piss stinking, barefoot dad didn't have to walk to the car park in the cold at 10pm. Nothing surprises me anymore.

so sorry to hear this. We had a similar experience with my 87 year old father in law. Left in a corridor on a trolley all night with blood dripping from his knee. Asked for a sandwich as he is diabetic and got shouted at. Picked him up to go home and was shocked at the corridor full of mainly old people on trolleys in various states of undress just left to it really.
nothing surprises me either.

vivainsomnia · 20/11/2024 21:39

That woman was a bully to a distressed relative, it's inexcusable behaviour and I'm glad OP will be putting in a complaint
Distress doesn't have to mean rudeness. Saying hello whilst making eye contact before asking for a service is what we teach toddlers. People should also do the same in shops.

Sadly people have become so self centered nowadays, feeling that they are the most important person in their environment and that their needs is above those of everyone else, too many have forgotten what good manners are. That nurse only tried to remind OP of it.

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 20/11/2024 21:32

That really says it all if you think this is comparable. Nurses looked after your dad, they are not there to sell you merchandise so the company can make a profit. You are not nurses'patient, let alone customer.

You've got this completely backwards. People visiting a shop are not going to be distressed, frightened, exhausted or bereaved, all the states of mind likely in hospitals.
That woman was a bully to a distressed relative, it's inexcusable behaviour and I'm glad OP will be putting in a complaint.

OneWildBiscuit · 20/11/2024 21:25

TheTidyBear · 18/11/2024 21:08

This is a joke right.

Why would it be a joke? Other people are entitled to be in A&E regardless of the cause of their illness.

vivainsomnia · 20/11/2024 21:16

It's people just like you that get too many nurses saying they love their job but can't deal with the public who treat them like they are servants.

That's interesting, in my customer facing role I don't take it personally when someone asks me a question without saying hello
That really says it all if you think this is comparable. Nurses looked after your dad, they are not there to sell you merchandise so the company can make a profit. You are not nurses'patient, let alone customer.

You were rude, treating her like she was there to serve you. Good on her for putting you right. It sounds like you fully deserve it.

As for the rest yes the NHS is on its knees and have more important things to do in A&E but to serve dinners when their family members are there with them. Didn't you know?

Nanny0gg · 20/11/2024 20:58

MichaelSchofield1991 · 20/11/2024 10:28

Neither of those things were the ward nurses fault though. I can't believe all the posters that think that just because someone is a nurse, they can be treated like crap because they should expect it and it's their job. I'm sorry you had such a bad experience, and I hope your Dad recovers quickly. What treatment did he get for the sepsis and broken bones in A+E all that time?

I don't actually think that failure to say Hello is treating someone like crap. In most cases, in a stressful situation it just doesn't appear on people's radar.

TowerBallroom · 20/11/2024 20:55

WriteAPaperNow · 20/11/2024 18:21

I have worked as an NHS doctor for over 30 years now. I can confidently say that I have never spoken to any relative or patient or indeed, colleague rudely. Yes, I get stressed and upset but I have to remain professional. I cannot imagine speaking to a patient or relative the way the nurse did in the OP, however under pressure I was. It is an incredibly rude and patronising thing to say to anybody other than maybe very young children. Even then I wouldn’t say it.

NHS pressures are not the fault of patients and relatives. I have had far worse things said to me than maybe a missed ‘hello’. I remain professional even when I have had racist and nasty comments directed at me.

I encourage patients and relatives to complain about NHS staff being rude. It is never acceptable in my book. I hate it when I see nurses and doctors being rude. It is embarrassing and unkind.

Not only is it incredibly rude and unprofessional but also its an abuse of power and trust.
Patients and visitors are often vulnerable, even if it's temporary and its the worst type of power imbalance/ abuse.
Hey you know this as a doctor but it really upsets me if I witness it, it cuts deep
38 years in the NHS and counting !

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