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to have not lost my rag at ward sister

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TheTidyBear · 18/11/2024 20:55

Spent 18 hours in A&E with elderly Dad in a corridor after he had a fall, they forgot to give him food, so I had to get some from the canteen, messed up his bloods twice, couldn't get pills into him so I had to help with that that. Also someone coughing up their lungs right next to me and Dad for several hours. There was also an incident where one of the patients in the mental health unit who was having an episode decided to start shouting at everyone in A&E.

Once he got onto a ward, I did a 2 hour journey home got 2 hours sleep, 2 hour journey back

Went to the nurses station on the ward, asked where my Dad is. Ward sister greeted me "what happened to hello, didn't your parents teach you any manners?"

Was I unreasonable to suppress the absolute rage boiling up in me and apologise and not fly off the fucking handle?

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WriteAPaperNow · 22/11/2024 14:26

Hoplolly · 22/11/2024 14:21

Exactly. People were clapping 4 years ago- people have short memories.
Honestly if you've got time to complain about a less than friendly greeting from a nurse you need to find a hobby.

Never once clapped, that was a fucking stupid thing to do.

I hated the clapping. My family and friends were banned from doing so ;-) It made me cringe so much. So performative and meaningless. It was a horrendous time but we were just doing our jobs.

Hoplolly · 22/11/2024 14:21

Exactly. People were clapping 4 years ago- people have short memories.
Honestly if you've got time to complain about a less than friendly greeting from a nurse you need to find a hobby.

Never once clapped, that was a fucking stupid thing to do.

WriteAPaperNow · 22/11/2024 14:20

As a doctor who remains professional, polite and kind, despite how stressed I sometimes feel inside, and who works with colleagues who are thankfully mostly the same, I have zero tolerance of rude hcps.

We are not heroes or saints. We have chosen a job in a caring industry that requires us to be polite and professional and have empathy for others. We should also not have to tolerate abusive behaviour, but there are other ways of managing that than being rude back.

If a member of staff has been rude like the nurse in the OP, please complain. It’s only through complaints that the message can get through to some people.

Some of the stories here make me furious for patients and relatives. I don’t feel remotely annoyed or defensive of the nhs when I read these. Because I know that I deliver good care and the criticism is not aimed at me personally. Any hcp defending this kind of behaviour should leave their role.

TheTidyBear · 22/11/2024 14:18

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 22/11/2024 14:03

Your flippant reply shows how little you understand about the NHS. You did that for one day for a relative- you want thanks for that?

She probably just wants a bit of courtesy and kindness from the staff.

Nurses do it day in & out for people they don't know from Adam. Honestly you are in danger of losing any moral high ground you might have had ..

That's really kind of them to do that for free. Or are they paid, because it's, you know, their job? And might it perhaps not be as emotionally harrowing and stressful for them because it's not their own elderly parent they are dealing with?

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I'd settle for just being told which Bay my Dad is in and not being belittled!🙂

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WriteAPaperNow · 22/11/2024 14:09

Hellskitchen24 · 22/11/2024 11:42

Yet another MN thread slagging off nurses and the NHS. Worse than the Daily Mail on here.

Why shouldn’t patients complain about rude nurses and doctors? As a hospital consultant, I cannot bear rude and unkind and unprofessional behaviour in colleagues.

TheTidyBear · 22/11/2024 14:05

WitchesCauldron · 22/11/2024 13:59

Your flippant reply shows how little you understand about the NHS. You did that for one day for a relative- you want thanks for that?

Nurses do it day in & out for people they don't know from Adam. Honestly you are in danger of losing any moral high ground you might have had ..

Judging by the number of elderly people who are there alone and being ignored by the nurses you seem not to understand the NHS at all.

I think relatives that show up are unsung heroes and deserve a round of applause, yes.

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WriteAPaperNow · 22/11/2024 14:03

WitchesCauldron · 22/11/2024 10:37

Try putting yourself in the place of the nurse- we get rude abusive people all day every day. The state of the NHS is not their fault. Get over yourself.

I have worked in the NHS for 30 years and would never behave like that nurse did. Do you think it’s acceptable to give rude patronising lectures to relatives? I hope we never work together.

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 22/11/2024 14:03

Your flippant reply shows how little you understand about the NHS. You did that for one day for a relative- you want thanks for that?

She probably just wants a bit of courtesy and kindness from the staff.

Nurses do it day in & out for people they don't know from Adam. Honestly you are in danger of losing any moral high ground you might have had ..

That's really kind of them to do that for free. Or are they paid, because it's, you know, their job? And might it perhaps not be as emotionally harrowing and stressful for them because it's not their own elderly parent they are dealing with?

WitchesCauldron · 22/11/2024 13:59

TheTidyBear · 22/11/2024 13:39

That sounds quite tame.

I had done an 18 hour unpaid shift in an A&E corridor, which I'm not trained to do, had 2 hours sleep, 4 hour round trip, hadn't eaten or drunk properly, my Dad was seriously ill

And I still managed not to be rude to anyone.

Feel free to go out onto your doorstep and applaud me if it pleases you.

Your flippant reply shows how little you understand about the NHS. You did that for one day for a relative- you want thanks for that?

Nurses do it day in & out for people they don't know from Adam. Honestly you are in danger of losing any moral high ground you might have had ..

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 22/11/2024 13:58

From reading AIBU, it's clear that a percentage of people are complete sociopaths.

No you hadn't. What a ridiculous statement.

I think it's a fair statement actually. I mean unless you want to ignore everything OP has been through because it inconveniences you putting the boot in.

PicturePlace · 22/11/2024 13:56

I had done an 18 hour unpaid shift in an A&E corridor

No you hadn't. What a ridiculous statement.

TheTidyBear · 22/11/2024 13:44

hellgirl · 22/11/2024 11:43

A few year ago my dad ended up in A and E.

Previously he had had a terrible stroke, leaving him not able to walk and only had the use of one arm. He was living in a care home at the time and his legs has swollen up terribly, his breathing was awful and he had a chest infection.

The GP was called and called an ambulance to take him to A and E.

Not only did the staff keep asking me why was he sent to hospital but whenever I went to the desk to ask something, I only did it a couple of times - they would totally ignore me, not even acknowledge me.

My dad had heart failure, caught pneumonia in hospital and we were told he would be dead within a week.

Even then, while he was dying, the nurses didn't come when we asked. They just didn't seem to care and I remember being told, he was priority as he was so ill.

It was torture watching my dad die, and the lack of care and respect from the nurses was disgusting.

Sorry to hear. Thanks for sharing.

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TheTidyBear · 22/11/2024 13:42

MagentaRocks · 22/11/2024 11:47

I was in A&E for hours the other day. The receptionist was rude from the start. The first nurse I saw clearly didn’t want to be there. Luckily the rest were lovely. I saw people asking the receptionist where they were in the queue and being told, so after I had been waiting over an hour longer than the first nurse told me I would be waiting I went up to the receptionist and said ‘sorry to bother you, is there any idea on how long I might be waiting?’. He was awful, told me I hadn’t been waiting long (I had - over 4 hours), that the wait was over 5 hours. I asked if that was from now or from when I came in. He didn’t answer my question. He looked at me as if I was stupid for asking and said that I had hours left to wait as it takes 3 hours for bloods to come back. I told him I was told it would be 1.5 hours but 3 to see a doctor.

I was there for something potentially very serious, on my own, in a boiling hot, busy temporary A&E and a bit of kindness, or at least politeness is not too much to ask.

I had a text asking for feedback and I was very thorough making sure to keep it balanced and singing the praises of the ones that were kind, pleasant and polite.

Working somewhere like that you should realise that sometimes people are distressed and upset and might forget a pleasantry. I work for the emergency services myself so am used to people being panicked, worried, upset and calm and I have never spoken to someone like the receptionist spoke to me, or the nurse to the OP.

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Sound really difficult. It really does make a difference doesn't it. It's like they don't realise we're they're to help them do their jobs.

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TheTidyBear · 22/11/2024 13:41

anotherdayroundthesun · 22/11/2024 06:09

OP - a positive of your post is that it inspired me not to lose my rag with an NHS receptionist who was a Rottweiler in lipstick. Thank you 💐

Hugs to you

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TheTidyBear · 22/11/2024 13:40

Breadcat24 · 22/11/2024 13:08

I am so sorry- I hope your father gets well.
I know exactly how you feel my 92 year old dad got admitted to hospital (Leighton Hospital Crewe- you are a disgrace)
When I got there (I was overseas with work)- his carers had called the ambulance- he had been waiting some hours I got him food and a hot drink, it was December and he was so cold. We waited 12 hours before he was triaged then he was put on a bed in an assessment area - no blankets. I got him blankets and ended up putting my coat over him. He was admitted and immediately caught norovirus from the ward and became delirious.
I asked a nurse about making decisions for him and he said (laughing!) "do not worry he is on DNR!
There was not a single time I visited him when he was not soak in urine or sitting in his shit. He got put in a side ward and urine bottle were placed on an windowsill out of his reach- he was on diuretics for his heart.
It was brutal
He eventually died of covid contracted in hospital.
There was no care, no compassion, nothing

I'm really sorry to hear this, I completely empathise with you.

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TheTidyBear · 22/11/2024 13:39

WitchesCauldron · 22/11/2024 13:33

Exactly. People were clapping 4 years ago- people have short memories.
Honestly if you've got time to complain about a less than friendly greeting from a nurse you need to find a hobby.

That nurse was probably on shift for 12-13 hours, maybe not had a drink or eaten or had a break. Probably has ignored the need for toilet breaks. The ward is probably short staffed, under resourced. High levels of very dependent, confused patients needing total care. Sh*tty salary and abusive patients, family members and the public. They do this day in & day out.

The levels of aggression towards NHS staff is off the scale. So forgive me if you've got hurty feelings by someone being a bit brusque.
Trust me- it is HELL in the NHS at the mo. Be grateful she even showed up for work.

That sounds quite tame.

I had done an 18 hour unpaid shift in an A&E corridor, which I'm not trained to do, had 2 hours sleep, 4 hour round trip, hadn't eaten or drunk properly, my Dad was seriously ill

And I still managed not to be rude to anyone.

Feel free to go out onto your doorstep and applaud me if it pleases you.

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WitchesCauldron · 22/11/2024 13:33

Hellskitchen24 · 22/11/2024 11:42

Yet another MN thread slagging off nurses and the NHS. Worse than the Daily Mail on here.

Exactly. People were clapping 4 years ago- people have short memories.
Honestly if you've got time to complain about a less than friendly greeting from a nurse you need to find a hobby.

That nurse was probably on shift for 12-13 hours, maybe not had a drink or eaten or had a break. Probably has ignored the need for toilet breaks. The ward is probably short staffed, under resourced. High levels of very dependent, confused patients needing total care. Sh*tty salary and abusive patients, family members and the public. They do this day in & day out.

The levels of aggression towards NHS staff is off the scale. So forgive me if you've got hurty feelings by someone being a bit brusque.
Trust me- it is HELL in the NHS at the mo. Be grateful she even showed up for work.

countrygirl99 · 22/11/2024 13:18

Hellskitchen24 · 22/11/2024 11:42

Yet another MN thread slagging off nurses and the NHS. Worse than the Daily Mail on here.

Well, if you look at some of the experiences described by quite a few posters it isn't unreasonable. Feel free to look at just my posts for several appalling examples.

Emmz1510 · 22/11/2024 13:08

Yanbu to feel stressed, tired and on your last nerve. Yanbu to not necessarily feel like saying a friendly hello to the ward sister.
However, your fathers long wait was unlikely to be her doing, and the man coughing and the person with mental health problems are not her fault either, nor anyone’s really, these are symptoms of an NHS on its knees.
Perhaps the nurse felt you were rude and abrupt, but her comment was still over the top. It wouldn’t have hurt her to remember that many people visiting the hospital are stressed in some way, and have some compassion. There was no need to snap at you like that.
I hope your dad feels better soon and you get some rest!

Breadcat24 · 22/11/2024 13:08

I am so sorry- I hope your father gets well.
I know exactly how you feel my 92 year old dad got admitted to hospital (Leighton Hospital Crewe- you are a disgrace)
When I got there (I was overseas with work)- his carers had called the ambulance- he had been waiting some hours I got him food and a hot drink, it was December and he was so cold. We waited 12 hours before he was triaged then he was put on a bed in an assessment area - no blankets. I got him blankets and ended up putting my coat over him. He was admitted and immediately caught norovirus from the ward and became delirious.
I asked a nurse about making decisions for him and he said (laughing!) "do not worry he is on DNR!
There was not a single time I visited him when he was not soak in urine or sitting in his shit. He got put in a side ward and urine bottle were placed on an windowsill out of his reach- he was on diuretics for his heart.
It was brutal
He eventually died of covid contracted in hospital.
There was no care, no compassion, nothing

housethatbuiltme · 22/11/2024 13:04

TheTidyBear · 18/11/2024 21:08

This is a joke right.

Why on earth would it be a joke that sick people are in a hospital? sorry you are not the center of the universe, that service exists for everyone even if you find them lesser and undesirable.

Mental health is one of the top level life or death 'emergency' conditions A&E deal with. It has at hospital level got far more risk of fatality and urgency than your dads fall.

With coughing you can't possibly know why, they could have asthma, lung failure, terminal cancer or a whole bunch of other once again high level urgent/fatal 'emergency' conditions.

A fall is a pretty standard and a non urgent 'accident' (unless he fell off the roof or it was caused by another more serious condition like a stroke or heart attack etc...) you will be seen by order of urgency and will share that space with others who also need help. Really you are lucky its not more far more serious, if he where high risk of dying you would unfortunately know.

Remember while it sucks your dad is uncomfortable and pained and that hospitals are miserable soul sucking spaces you are sharing that space with many people who unfortunately won't walk out of there again or will be having last moments with loved ones for many different reasons you aren't privvy too.

You can focus your concern on your dad but don't then shit on everyone else for existing and having their own needs.

PuddlesPityParty · 22/11/2024 12:53

Wheresthebeach · 22/11/2024 11:26

Completely reasonable - very rude of the nurse.

Doubt that’s what she actually said and did reading the thread.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 22/11/2024 12:40

Regardless of what anyone posts on this godforsaken forum these days, there is an avalanche of responses from absolute baggages out for a spat. I'd hate to be or to know any of you.

It was an awful situation and yes, the nurse was rude and patronising. Also, yes, as you already know, they are barely coping. Both things are true. I really hope you get some sleep and self care and that your dad picks up a bit.

Hoplolly · 22/11/2024 12:28

Let's just say, I would have found it very hard to bite my tongue.

Being a nurse doesn't earn you some sort of VIP status that gives you the green light to act like a twat to other people.

I don't give a flying fig that someone works for the NHS, it doesn't make you a bloody saint, we really need to get past the "but they're all angels sent from heaven" mentality. Most of them aren't.

Ladamesansmerci · 22/11/2024 12:26

OP, you literally said 'Hi' and asked where your dad is. Idk how some posters are making an issue out of this. I'm a MH nurse in the community, but if I worked on a ward, I wouldn't expect family members to be stood around the desk making small talk. You were hardly being demanding. She was rude for no reason.

Hope your dad is well.