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Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 11:25

For background, DH and I have been married for 15 years and have three children.

Last year his father died. His parents didn’t have a happy marriage. He has 2 female siblings late 40s. One lives with his mum in the family home and the other lives in the house next door that the mum owns. Neither contributes financially and both work minimum wage jobs part time. The sisters have never had long term partners and do not have children. We’ve had problems with his older sister over the years too. She is envious of our financial independence and uninterested in our children.

Mother in law has been emotionally abusive since DH and I first moved in together. It got worse when our first child was born, and she was out of control when we got married.

She has caused so much stress and drama over the years and this used to have a very negative effect on our marriage. I had stress and anxiety when I was pregnant and when our babies were born because she wouldn’t stop grasping at them and DH, trying to control our family unit. She dislikes me and has said horrible things about me to the wider family. She is cruel and petty and once slapped me while I was holding my baby because I wouldn’t hand her over.

Typically she uses the silent treatment and sends her daughters in as flying monkeys. She is always a victim and emotional immature. Unable to have conversations to resolve things - I have tried in the past but I’m framed as the villain who wants to upset her.

We moved further away (used to live 5 mins away and now live an hour away). That helped and MIL no longer turns up unannounced all the time. We’ve maintained a civil relationship but there’s no trust or depth. It’s quite draining to spend time with them. DH’s eldest sister is an unhappy person - lovely to our faces but very duplicitous. For example, in the year before FIL died she had a will drawn up for him to exclude DH and his grandchildren. She and her sister would be sole beneficiaries. FIL wouldn’t sign it but she tried hard over a long period of time. MIL and the younger SIL were aware.

Now it’s been a year since FIL died and MIL and eldest SIL seem to want to cut DH out again, but instead of being upfront about it they have cut us out of the family by refusing to talk to us or see us for the past 6 months. They’ve also seemingly turned the wider family against us.

They say they are hurt by DH (he got frustrated with them last year when talking about tax planning for MIL estate and shouted) Essentially they will face a huge IHT bill when MIL dies but they don’t want to plan for it. DH knows he’ll have to deal with it MIL dies and one SIL will have to sell home to pay the tax.

MIL says she wants space and not ready to talk to DH. He’s apologised of course but her actions feels like an excuse to keep DH at arms length to justify leaving him out of any inheritance. We are not reliant on or waiting for inheritance and have never talked to MIL about her will.

Every time a special occasion comes around I feel we should make an effort to try and spend time with them, for the children to have a relationship with their only grandparent and aunts (my parents are both dead and I have one brother).

Christmas is coming and I’m trying to maintain some contact with MIL with calls and texts, but she can’t wait to get off the phone and keeps telling me how busy she is - almost preemptively telling me she doesn’t have time to see grandchildren.

I just want to feel at peace but I’m finding it difficult. It doesn’t sit well with me that the kids have effectively lost a relationship with DH’s family so I feel I need to try and salvage things (though it’s proving almost impossible with only one interested party). On the other hand, I completely disagree with the way they have behaved and want to protect DC (and us) from their negative energy and emotional manipulation. Our DC are teens now and I expect MIL will soon start giving them the silent treatment when/if she deems they haven’t visited her or called her enough. Though she would have to re-establish a relationship with them first after missing birthdays and other special occasions this year.

Even though we haven’t seen them for 6 months we’re still feeling sad and know nothing will change unless we keep tip toeing around and apologising and almost begging forgiveness.

OP posts:
Quitelikeit · 18/11/2024 13:07

Make an effort?

Look these people are not nice, they don’t want to make an effort with you and don’t seem to value your children at all

Allow your DH to have a relationship with them and let him be the one to communicate with them

You should relieve yourself and f anything to do with them. If you ever see them be polite and civil

There is nothing good to be gained by being with these people

Gymnopedie · 18/11/2024 13:02

DH is ready to cut all contact but I’m not sure if he is just protecting himself from the hurt.

And why shouldn't he? In the process protecting your children too. Why are you trying to force him to put himself in situations where he experiences nothing but hurt to satisfy some misguided feeling you have to create some kind of mythical wider family?

Butt out and let him take the lead. However you feel, he is far more affected by this than you are.

Spirallingdownwards · 18/11/2024 12:57

To me it is clear that DH will be cut out of MIL's will and there isn't anything he can do about that. Indeed he won't have to be the one sorting out her estate as he can refuse to be executor especially if he has been written out. Leave the sisters to sort it out.

Go NC and live a happier life.

BrunetteHarpy · 18/11/2024 12:54

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 12:40

I’m not thinking very clearly about why I struggle to cut ties completely. Lots of things - it’s that time of year when it feels strange not to see family; they are the little family we have and I wish my DC had more family around them (though I also wish they were better female role models); I don’t want DH to feel guilt when MIL dies (or for his wider family to blame him for her unhappiness in her later life), fear of how/if they will try to manipulate DC in the future

But look at the current reality, OP, not at stuff that might happen in future, or stuff you wish was the case but isn’t. Your MIL and SILs aren’t nice people, aren’t making good financial decisions, and also, crucially, they don’t want the relationship you’re trying to force with your children. You have no idea what may happen with the inheritance, and there’s nothing you can do about it now. What you can do is stop wishing your ILs were lovely and delighted to forge bonds with your children, and I agree with a pp that what you’re currently modelling for your children is that someone can slap and mistreat you, and you’ll still crawl back looking for a relationship.

I suspect much of this is about your sadness your own parents have died. Which is understandable, but you’re actually making your life, your DH’s life, and your children’s lives worse by continually persisting with this folly. The best thing you can do for them, and for you, is to just stop.

TenderChicken · 18/11/2024 12:53

Honestly from what you see just posted, I'm judging you for still speaking to them at all. This woman hit you while you were holding a baby. That should have been game over.

Onlycoffee · 18/11/2024 12:52

DH is ready to cut all contact but I’m not sure if he is just protecting himself from the hurt
I don't blame him, and I don't understand why you're invalidating this. What more reason do you need, surely self protection is valid enough?
Let alone protection of your DC.

It's not a failure on your behalf that your DC do not have wider family in their lives, it's not that unusual.

Let it go op 💐

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 12:49

@LivingLaVidaBabyShower Thanks for the framework. That’s similar to what I’ve done for the last few years, though not as thought through. I guess it’s helpful to have a framework to return to when I’m doubting myself and wondering if I’ve done enough. They send texts on special occasions and turn up if we invite them over for DC birthdays. MIL occasionally invites us over.

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Cupofcoffeee · 18/11/2024 12:46

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 12:27

Thinking about this and maybe DH thinks if he can make FIL’s estate secure; make sure MIL and SILs are financially secure, he will have done something for his Dad.

There’s something else I fear but it’s far into the future and may not happen. I worry IL’s will leave uneven inheritance to our DC and cause bad feeling or resentment amongst our children. SIL made a comment about leaving all of her inheritance to our DDs, excluding our DS’s a while back.

Your DH's father has passed away so what his mum and sisters do with the money they inherited is nothing to do with him. He needs to go no contact. If they come crawling back asking your DH for money, then he says no. They're not his responsibility. His own three children are his responsibility.

JustWalkingTheDogs · 18/11/2024 12:43

If someone slapped me there's no way on this earth I'd maintain a relationship with them, not to mention that you were holding a newborn!

I'd go no contact tbh and I think your dh should too. Let them get on with it

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 12:40

I’m not thinking very clearly about why I struggle to cut ties completely. Lots of things - it’s that time of year when it feels strange not to see family; they are the little family we have and I wish my DC had more family around them (though I also wish they were better female role models); I don’t want DH to feel guilt when MIL dies (or for his wider family to blame him for her unhappiness in her later life), fear of how/if they will try to manipulate DC in the future

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TheCatterall · 18/11/2024 12:39

@Snowflakefalling why does DH have to magically fix everything when his own DF had a lifetime to sort this out and didn’t and probably enabled/ignored what his wife and daughters were like especially to you and DH.

stop pushing or leaving doors open to people that are toxic and treat you, DH and your children miserably.

Stop with the people pleasing tendencies and think of it as how best to protect your family unit from such nasty people. never mind their feelings. What about yours and DH!

LivingLaVidaBabyShower · 18/11/2024 12:39

You sound like you need to “know you tried”.

I would treat it as a “process” and go through the motions while keeping it breezing and low effort. Knowing I have a “process” means it doesn’t take up as much of my brain space

this is my “framework” for my equivalent relatives

Birthdays
flowers and a card for all their birthdays from the cheaper end of the M&S range.
i send a generic warm toned text and offer a call “if they have time”.
Easter
a selection box or egg from hotel chocolat for about £20. I send a generic warm toned text and offer a call “if they have some time over the weekend”.
christmas
a hamper (M&S or similar) and send a separate card with a short paragraph /news round up about the kids / dog. Nothing heavy.
i do a phone video with the kids (30secs or so) and send Christmas morning as “Christmas is always busy. We are free at X if you want to have a quick call with the kids. If we miss you we can catch up later!”

In between this when we do days out nearby (45min drive or so from them)
i say “we’re going to Leeds castle on the 14th if you want to join us. Understand you might have other plans so if not, no worries” etc

this carries on the pretense and I feel I’ve done my bit

could something like this work?

fwiw I think you’d be perfectly reasonable to go NC their behaviour is appalling

oneeggisunoeuf · 18/11/2024 12:38

I'd have cut contact the moment she slapped me. She, and the SILs, bring nothing good to your life.

SeaToSki · 18/11/2024 12:37

You can control what they do or think, you can only control what you do or think.

Right now you are showing your dc that even when people treat you badly, that they should go back time and time again, cap in hand, for more bad treatment.

I would suggest you draw some boundaries for yourself and your dc and hold them. They treat you respectfully or they lose the benefit of your and your dc company/contact. Then they can do, say or threaten what they want, but you cant control it so dont try to.

Maybe talk to your dc in an age appropriate way about families sticking together and not ending up like their aunts. If they then get an unequal inheritance, your dc can chose to level it up themselves. They can control their own actions.

LeonoraCazalet · 18/11/2024 12:34

Put your foot down. Claim your territory and ignore the other women. They will only continue in this vein or indeed get worse. Tell husband and say to him you are doing this for your mental health, to save your marriage, and protect your children. You really don't have to put up with any nonsense from extended family. You don't get paid for it, you did not sign a contract for it. Do your thing and do it forcefully.

Cynic17 · 18/11/2024 12:32

Well, why do you want your kids to have contact with such awful people, OP?
Follow your husband's preference on this - always. If he wants to cut contact, then that is the answer. I can't stress how important it is to support him on this.
Cultivate your friends - they are the people who matter, and will be there for your kids. Family isn't always "better", by any means.

BrunetteHarpy · 18/11/2024 12:32

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 12:27

Thinking about this and maybe DH thinks if he can make FIL’s estate secure; make sure MIL and SILs are financially secure, he will have done something for his Dad.

There’s something else I fear but it’s far into the future and may not happen. I worry IL’s will leave uneven inheritance to our DC and cause bad feeling or resentment amongst our children. SIL made a comment about leaving all of her inheritance to our DDs, excluding our DS’s a while back.

There you go again, borrowing trouble. These things are in a hypothetical future. They haven’t happened. There is nothing you can do to stop them happening. Your Dah has tried and failed. All you can do is stop giving any of it headspace.

BrunetteHarpy · 18/11/2024 12:30

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 12:17

Thanks for the replies and advice all. We have no ties to them around the future estate planning, but I know DH has struggled with seeing them spend and essentially throw away what his DF worked hard to build up. In a nutshell they’ll be left with very little if they don’t do any estate planning, whereas they could have security if they do. We also fear they’ll come to DH when the money runs out.

Well, he will have a choice to make then. As he will need to deal with the consequences of his mother bring a difficult parent when she dies. Right now, though, if he’s happy to cut contact, you’re the person creating unnecessary stress for yourself and him because you can’t let go of all the ‘shoulds’ about your children and grandparents. It would be nice if your MIL and SILs were less awful, but they’re not. Just as it would be nice if they made intelligent inheritance plans, but they aren’t. Stop going to the hardware shop and expecting to buy bread!

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 12:27

Thinking about this and maybe DH thinks if he can make FIL’s estate secure; make sure MIL and SILs are financially secure, he will have done something for his Dad.

There’s something else I fear but it’s far into the future and may not happen. I worry IL’s will leave uneven inheritance to our DC and cause bad feeling or resentment amongst our children. SIL made a comment about leaving all of her inheritance to our DDs, excluding our DS’s a while back.

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Tumbler2121 · 18/11/2024 12:24

What you’re saying about estate planning and tax doesn’t make sense, there is no inheritance tax until over £325,000 so they can’t be left with very little ( unless in your eyes that is very little). Also if inheritance tax is an issue their household may as well spend spend spend instead of give it to the taxman!

harriethoyle · 18/11/2024 12:24

In a nutshell they’ll be left with very little if they don’t do any estate planning, whereas they could have security if they do.

If an estate attracts IHT it's over £650k now FIL has gone, at least. That means sisters will get £325 each if DH is disinherited and then 60% over everything over that. That's not very little.

edited to correct my IHT figures

We also fear they’ll come to DH when the money runs out.

so what? he can tell them to bog off.

Your passivity in the face of appalling behaviour is really irritating. Stop being such a martyr, to these awful people!

icallshade · 18/11/2024 12:23

OP, it reads like you don't like them, they don't like you so the only reason I can see that you keep bothering is inheritance (which you've mentioned multiple times).

Stop trying to force a relationship that isn't there, and gently, let it go regarding inheritance. If MIL doesn't want your DH to inherit, rightly or wrongly in your opinion, it is her choice.

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 12:17

Thanks for the replies and advice all. We have no ties to them around the future estate planning, but I know DH has struggled with seeing them spend and essentially throw away what his DF worked hard to build up. In a nutshell they’ll be left with very little if they don’t do any estate planning, whereas they could have security if they do. We also fear they’ll come to DH when the money runs out.

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shampooing · 18/11/2024 12:12

You cannot see the wood for the trees. Why on earth do you want to maintain a relationship with these toxic people, and have them anywhere near your children?
That bit is on you, not them.

Are you holding out for the inheritance to try to make up for the time invested in them? If that’s not the case let it go and let them get a tax bill, they are adults and will need to deal with the consequences of their actions or inaction.

EVHead · 18/11/2024 12:11

Break the cycle - let your children live without their poisonous influence in their lives.