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Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 11:25

For background, DH and I have been married for 15 years and have three children.

Last year his father died. His parents didn’t have a happy marriage. He has 2 female siblings late 40s. One lives with his mum in the family home and the other lives in the house next door that the mum owns. Neither contributes financially and both work minimum wage jobs part time. The sisters have never had long term partners and do not have children. We’ve had problems with his older sister over the years too. She is envious of our financial independence and uninterested in our children.

Mother in law has been emotionally abusive since DH and I first moved in together. It got worse when our first child was born, and she was out of control when we got married.

She has caused so much stress and drama over the years and this used to have a very negative effect on our marriage. I had stress and anxiety when I was pregnant and when our babies were born because she wouldn’t stop grasping at them and DH, trying to control our family unit. She dislikes me and has said horrible things about me to the wider family. She is cruel and petty and once slapped me while I was holding my baby because I wouldn’t hand her over.

Typically she uses the silent treatment and sends her daughters in as flying monkeys. She is always a victim and emotional immature. Unable to have conversations to resolve things - I have tried in the past but I’m framed as the villain who wants to upset her.

We moved further away (used to live 5 mins away and now live an hour away). That helped and MIL no longer turns up unannounced all the time. We’ve maintained a civil relationship but there’s no trust or depth. It’s quite draining to spend time with them. DH’s eldest sister is an unhappy person - lovely to our faces but very duplicitous. For example, in the year before FIL died she had a will drawn up for him to exclude DH and his grandchildren. She and her sister would be sole beneficiaries. FIL wouldn’t sign it but she tried hard over a long period of time. MIL and the younger SIL were aware.

Now it’s been a year since FIL died and MIL and eldest SIL seem to want to cut DH out again, but instead of being upfront about it they have cut us out of the family by refusing to talk to us or see us for the past 6 months. They’ve also seemingly turned the wider family against us.

They say they are hurt by DH (he got frustrated with them last year when talking about tax planning for MIL estate and shouted) Essentially they will face a huge IHT bill when MIL dies but they don’t want to plan for it. DH knows he’ll have to deal with it MIL dies and one SIL will have to sell home to pay the tax.

MIL says she wants space and not ready to talk to DH. He’s apologised of course but her actions feels like an excuse to keep DH at arms length to justify leaving him out of any inheritance. We are not reliant on or waiting for inheritance and have never talked to MIL about her will.

Every time a special occasion comes around I feel we should make an effort to try and spend time with them, for the children to have a relationship with their only grandparent and aunts (my parents are both dead and I have one brother).

Christmas is coming and I’m trying to maintain some contact with MIL with calls and texts, but she can’t wait to get off the phone and keeps telling me how busy she is - almost preemptively telling me she doesn’t have time to see grandchildren.

I just want to feel at peace but I’m finding it difficult. It doesn’t sit well with me that the kids have effectively lost a relationship with DH’s family so I feel I need to try and salvage things (though it’s proving almost impossible with only one interested party). On the other hand, I completely disagree with the way they have behaved and want to protect DC (and us) from their negative energy and emotional manipulation. Our DC are teens now and I expect MIL will soon start giving them the silent treatment when/if she deems they haven’t visited her or called her enough. Though she would have to re-establish a relationship with them first after missing birthdays and other special occasions this year.

Even though we haven’t seen them for 6 months we’re still feeling sad and know nothing will change unless we keep tip toeing around and apologising and almost begging forgiveness.

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FL0 · 18/11/2024 15:22

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 12:40

I’m not thinking very clearly about why I struggle to cut ties completely. Lots of things - it’s that time of year when it feels strange not to see family; they are the little family we have and I wish my DC had more family around them (though I also wish they were better female role models); I don’t want DH to feel guilt when MIL dies (or for his wider family to blame him for her unhappiness in her later life), fear of how/if they will try to manipulate DC in the future

Id suggest that you both struggle to cut ties because of fear, obligation and guilt.

But it would be a lot easier for you to go NC with them and get some counselling / Therapy to help you both deal with your feelings than to continue living like this.

It would also be a lot more ethical to protect your children from these toxic people than to go on putting them at risk because otherwise you “ feel bad” .

I'm sorry if this sounds harsh , but it’s not fair on your kids to expose them to these terrible people just so that your husband can work out his unfinished business with his late father, fix the mistakes that his father made in his will , whatever.

Even now, when they have gone NC for 6 months, you are still trying to get in contact with people you dislike and who dislike you. Can you see how crazy this is ??

You've been doing the same thing for what , two decades ? They are never going to change, stop trying to make them. You need to understand you cannot control them , all you can change here is your own actions.

please PLEASE just drop the rope and put all this time and energy into getting some professional help for yourselves.

reesiespieces · 18/11/2024 15:02

It's time for both of you too let go. They're adults, they are free to make bad decisions it isn't up to your husband to fix it for them especially as they don't want his help. There's also no need for your DH to feel guilty over his mother's potential estate. FIL could have made plans to reduce estate taxagt while he was alive - he didn't and that was his choice. It isn't for your DH to fix.

Time to focus on your own family unit and friends. You've done enough.

saraclara · 18/11/2024 14:57

If there's property involved, the sisters will not have to pay any inheritance tax unless the estate is over a million pounds. £375k allowance from each parent, plus an extra £250k allowance for property left to offspring.

I don't know why he's worrying about them. If he's disinherited they'll have at least £500k each, plus 60% of the excess. And if they come to him when it runs out, he just says no.

Is he an executor of whatever will exists at the moment?

LivingLaVidaBabyShower · 18/11/2024 14:50

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 13:49

I don't know exactly why I feel unsettled. It's been tricky and difficult with them since we had our first DC and sometimes I see things clearly and other times I feel clouded or unsure. This time, this issue feels like it could be permanent with no resolution. I am sad about it. Perhaps I have harboured hopes that one day we would have a happier, healthy relationship with them. The inheritance we let go of some time ago. We haven't ever made decisions or planned our lives around it.

I did this with my relative too (made plans assuming no inheritance) it makes things a lot easier

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 14:43

That exactly. DH was never going to maintain a healthy marriage while also meeting MIL and SIL's expectations.

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Lemonadeand · 18/11/2024 14:15

It sounds like it would never be possible to have a healthy relationship with such a dysfunctional family, sadly. The MIL sounds completely “my way or the highway”. Nothing you and DH did would ever be enough because you refuse to dance to her tune and the family system is so unhealthy that DH was never going to maintain a healthy marriage while also meeting his mother and sisters’ expectations.

I would bet she has already written your DH and DC out of her will, probably with strong influence from the SIL and cutting you all off now is her way of justifying it to herself.

I think you should encourage DH to get some therapy.

Wigglywoowho · 18/11/2024 14:05

Go NC and move on with your life. Stop trying to have a relationship with people that don't want one with you.

The will / inheritance is none of anyone's business. MIL can leave the money to whoever she wants. She doesn't have to justify her decisions. When the shit hits the fan just lave them to deal with their big inheritance tax bill on their own.

Oldjustold · 18/11/2024 13:59

I've lost count of the number of times I've read on MN, mothers of young children constantly trying to maintain relationships with the most hideous people who just happen to be related by blood or marriage. Why would you want your children to associate with these awful people? A relationship with anyone's children is a privilege not an automatic right for heaven's sake.

It is far, far healthier for your children not to have such spiteful, horrible people making their parents unhappy. Bring them up to understand that they do not have to accept such monstrous behaviour. Much better for them to have no grandparents or aunts than horrible ones like this.

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 13:49

I don't know exactly why I feel unsettled. It's been tricky and difficult with them since we had our first DC and sometimes I see things clearly and other times I feel clouded or unsure. This time, this issue feels like it could be permanent with no resolution. I am sad about it. Perhaps I have harboured hopes that one day we would have a happier, healthy relationship with them. The inheritance we let go of some time ago. We haven't ever made decisions or planned our lives around it.

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ChocolateTelephone · 18/11/2024 13:48

I don’t think it’s your place to keep trying to push this relationship when your husband doesn’t want it and it brings no benefit to your lives.

What would your children gain from prolonged contact with these people? From what you’ve described it sounds like all you would be doing is pushing them into the paths of people who will emotionally abuse and mistreat them. Your children don’t need to be exposed to that, it does them no good whatsoever.

Onlyvisiting · 18/11/2024 13:44

The rubbish is taking itself out. Massive win! Why would you want your children ro have a relationship with people like that? Do you want them to grow up thinking that kind of behavior is acceptable?
I understand your DH might not be comfortable completely cutting them off but I do think you personally need to take massive step back, stop interacting with them, stop trying to involve them in your or the kids lives.

Hoppinggreen · 18/11/2024 13:43

some relationships aren't worth having, these people are cruel and toxic and you should be avoiding rather than encouraging contact between them and your children.
I appreciate that with only a small family of your own you are hesitant to lose this family no matter how awful they are (MIL assaulted you!!!) but really, they offer no positive contribution and you should be happy that they don't want contact with you - many people in similar situations would be glad of it

Alibababandthe40sheets · 18/11/2024 13:36

There is a lot going on for you @Snowflakefalling you have my sympathies. DH’s family is incredibly difficult and we get a lot of issues with them so I understand to some extent your issues and how difficult they are.

We keep DH’s family largely at an emotional distance. FIL is by any standards a narc and the family are largely estranged from him but MIL has a lot of issues too. To be honest they all do including DH as growing up in those environments impacts everyone.

Can you afford to let the money thing slide or is that really important for you? Everyone is different in that regard I know DH’s other sibling will be furious if she doesn’t inherit for her own pretty valid reasons.

In your situation though I would say to you that you are playing a part in the dynamic too. Can you drop the rope or is there something deeper going on for you? It is common in dysfunctional families that people try to paper over the cracks of the dysfunction to preserve relationships but there has to come a point in time where you stop doing that if it is harmful to your emotional wellbeing. Did you grow up with some dysfunction too in your home. Often if you were taught in childhood to enable dysfunction then you go on to do it in adult relationships.

It is worth exploring why you are so invested in fixing this for your DH’s family. They don’t deserve your energy.

Lastly obviously they really resent you, let them, they have reasons for their resentment, valid or not, that you don’t need to fix for them.

Some people are not capable of making themselves happy or taking responsibility for their own happiness as adults, you just focus on taking responsibility for your own happiness and for your own family and let them do it their way.

stillavid · 18/11/2024 13:35

Have you posted about this before - the row over estate planning rings bells.

I would just stop bothering with them and leave them to it.

Your DH trying to lecture them about IHT is not going to go well when it sounds like they arlready have a very tricksy relationship.

PassingStranger · 18/11/2024 13:34

Mandylovescandy · 18/11/2024 11:31

I think you should stop making any effort. They don't add anything positive to your lives and are abusive.

This.
Just because they are family dosent mean you have to be in contact.
They've shown you what they are like, believe them and let it go.
Just because your related dosent mean you'll get on and like each other.

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 13:33

To all those who are referring to MIL hitting me, it was 15 years ago and afterwards there was a period where we didn't have them in our lives. The dynamic changed and we were able to keep them at arms length for the first time. We maintained a relationship but on our terms.

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Milknosugarta · 18/11/2024 13:33

I would not be giving them headspace at all, never mind getting depressed about them.
Cannot fathom your caring about them, tbh. They are adults and can figure out their own finances and estate planning.
My own mother once slapped me in the face for very little reason, our relationship never really recovered. I went low then eventually years later, no contact. Did not regret it.

diddl · 18/11/2024 13:32

Your MIL slapped you?

Wtf?

And you think your kids should have to see her?

Bloody hell.

If my MIL slapped me that would have been the last that either of us ever saw of her.

No GPs are better than shit ones.

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 13:31

@OrchestralRemoversInTheDark It's a coping mechanism. I don't know what's coming and to feel safe, I imagine the worst scenarios in terms of how they could hurt us, and find a solution.

We may never hear from them again or they may decide not to leave anything to DC anyway. It just makes me feel safe to know what's coming. I lost one of my parents when young and this is probably a trauma response.

My irrational fears are that - they haven't broken our family by cutting us out of their lives or (we suspect) disinheriting DH. If we're not as unhappy as them, they will try to hurt us or DC in some other way.

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ArminTamzerian · 18/11/2024 13:28

I don't get this at all. They're not talking ti you, they're cutting you out? Well Halle fucking lullah, christmas has come early! Take the gift and run.

Boggles the mind that you talk to anyone of them anyway

Bestwishes23 · 18/11/2024 13:27

Anybody who slapped me while I was holding my baby wouldn't get to see us again. Why on earth are you putting in this effort?

ttcat37 · 18/11/2024 13:25

You lost me at her physically assaulting you whilst you were holding your baby yet desperately trying to keep this relationship going for no reason apart from money it seems. A normal person would have had her arrested and cut her out permanently. Protect your child

thepariscrimefiles · 18/11/2024 13:16

Your MIL slapped you when you were holding a baby. How could you possibly feel guilty about cutting off contact after that?

Just leave them to it. There are no benefits in maintaining a relationship with your MIL or your SILS. They are all horrible people.

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 13:14

@Gymnopedie By "just protecting himself from the hurt", what I mean to say is that I'm not sure if he's just refusing to process his feelings and bury his head in the sand (because that's sort of what they do in his family). I fear he'll only process his feelings when MIL dies and that he'll have regret.

For context, when FIL died he and DH were not on the best of terms. They hadn't fallen out, but they hadn't been spending a huge amount of time together and DH feels bad about that. FIL died quite suddenly and SIL said some horrible things to DH when he died about DH not having spent any time with FIL, and that my DH had "left them all". She was referring to him having his own family and prioritising DC and I over his parents and siblings.

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OrchestralRemoversInTheDark · 18/11/2024 13:13

You've mentioned you're worried when MIL dies SIL will have to sell the house to pay IHT, and that SILs may expect to be financially supported by your DH ... but also that you're worried SIL may leave your DSs out of her will. I think you can forget about SIL having any money to give to anyone at the end of the day.

Your DH is happy to cut contract and let the drama go - do the same.