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Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 11:25

For background, DH and I have been married for 15 years and have three children.

Last year his father died. His parents didn’t have a happy marriage. He has 2 female siblings late 40s. One lives with his mum in the family home and the other lives in the house next door that the mum owns. Neither contributes financially and both work minimum wage jobs part time. The sisters have never had long term partners and do not have children. We’ve had problems with his older sister over the years too. She is envious of our financial independence and uninterested in our children.

Mother in law has been emotionally abusive since DH and I first moved in together. It got worse when our first child was born, and she was out of control when we got married.

She has caused so much stress and drama over the years and this used to have a very negative effect on our marriage. I had stress and anxiety when I was pregnant and when our babies were born because she wouldn’t stop grasping at them and DH, trying to control our family unit. She dislikes me and has said horrible things about me to the wider family. She is cruel and petty and once slapped me while I was holding my baby because I wouldn’t hand her over.

Typically she uses the silent treatment and sends her daughters in as flying monkeys. She is always a victim and emotional immature. Unable to have conversations to resolve things - I have tried in the past but I’m framed as the villain who wants to upset her.

We moved further away (used to live 5 mins away and now live an hour away). That helped and MIL no longer turns up unannounced all the time. We’ve maintained a civil relationship but there’s no trust or depth. It’s quite draining to spend time with them. DH’s eldest sister is an unhappy person - lovely to our faces but very duplicitous. For example, in the year before FIL died she had a will drawn up for him to exclude DH and his grandchildren. She and her sister would be sole beneficiaries. FIL wouldn’t sign it but she tried hard over a long period of time. MIL and the younger SIL were aware.

Now it’s been a year since FIL died and MIL and eldest SIL seem to want to cut DH out again, but instead of being upfront about it they have cut us out of the family by refusing to talk to us or see us for the past 6 months. They’ve also seemingly turned the wider family against us.

They say they are hurt by DH (he got frustrated with them last year when talking about tax planning for MIL estate and shouted) Essentially they will face a huge IHT bill when MIL dies but they don’t want to plan for it. DH knows he’ll have to deal with it MIL dies and one SIL will have to sell home to pay the tax.

MIL says she wants space and not ready to talk to DH. He’s apologised of course but her actions feels like an excuse to keep DH at arms length to justify leaving him out of any inheritance. We are not reliant on or waiting for inheritance and have never talked to MIL about her will.

Every time a special occasion comes around I feel we should make an effort to try and spend time with them, for the children to have a relationship with their only grandparent and aunts (my parents are both dead and I have one brother).

Christmas is coming and I’m trying to maintain some contact with MIL with calls and texts, but she can’t wait to get off the phone and keeps telling me how busy she is - almost preemptively telling me she doesn’t have time to see grandchildren.

I just want to feel at peace but I’m finding it difficult. It doesn’t sit well with me that the kids have effectively lost a relationship with DH’s family so I feel I need to try and salvage things (though it’s proving almost impossible with only one interested party). On the other hand, I completely disagree with the way they have behaved and want to protect DC (and us) from their negative energy and emotional manipulation. Our DC are teens now and I expect MIL will soon start giving them the silent treatment when/if she deems they haven’t visited her or called her enough. Though she would have to re-establish a relationship with them first after missing birthdays and other special occasions this year.

Even though we haven’t seen them for 6 months we’re still feeling sad and know nothing will change unless we keep tip toeing around and apologising and almost begging forgiveness.

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EclipseoftheHeart1 · 19/11/2024 13:41

Exactly you don't want dc being treated like this.

EclipseoftheHeart1 · 19/11/2024 13:41

Op I think it's cruel to try and force year blood relatives to all get on. Granny is not interested in her gc and your dh. He has been treated extremely badly by them.

I know it's so hard when your own dp are not alive but dc only know what they know. Ie they can't miss what they didn't know.
Drop the rope and give everyone peace this isn't your place nor your battle.

Caroparo52 · 19/11/2024 13:27

You sound lovely people. The inlaws sound toxic. They enjoy making you both miserable and they have the power to do it because you let them. Sadly op its time to cut the ties... thin as they are. These horrid people will never become the loving family and relations you and dh desire or deserve. Stop allowing them to hurt you.

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 22:24

Thank you for the replies and good advice on here. It’s helped me see the wood from the trees and DH and I have talked a lot today. We’re agreed no more contact on our part and will not encourage contact with our DC. It’s still sad but in the long term this is the only way we can step away from the madness and keep DC from experiencing it too.

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downwindofyou · 18/11/2024 21:05

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 12:27

Thinking about this and maybe DH thinks if he can make FIL’s estate secure; make sure MIL and SILs are financially secure, he will have done something for his Dad.

There’s something else I fear but it’s far into the future and may not happen. I worry IL’s will leave uneven inheritance to our DC and cause bad feeling or resentment amongst our children. SIL made a comment about leaving all of her inheritance to our DDs, excluding our DS’s a while back.

It doesn't sound like there will be a whole lot of money left to anyone so I really wouldn't worry about it

downwindofyou · 18/11/2024 21:03

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 12:17

Thanks for the replies and advice all. We have no ties to them around the future estate planning, but I know DH has struggled with seeing them spend and essentially throw away what his DF worked hard to build up. In a nutshell they’ll be left with very little if they don’t do any estate planning, whereas they could have security if they do. We also fear they’ll come to DH when the money runs out.

Not you or DHs problem. They are not yours to look after.

Lindjam · 18/11/2024 18:09

It really is unfair of you to try to force a relationship with these dreadful people on your husband. You don’t appear to have much respect for his feelings.

Block them on everything and just cut them off completely.

JustinThyme · 18/11/2024 17:59

Don't keep undermining your DH when he's backed off from them. You do not need to have a relationship with them. Your DH doesn't have to feel guilty about anything. Your DC are better off without toxic adults in their lives so stop telling yourself you're doing it for their sake.

If you've cut them off there is literally nothing they can do to affect you negatively. You aren't expecting or wanting their money and they certainly aren't going to give you approval and affection. Accept this and move one.

AyrshireTryer · 18/11/2024 17:54

OP they are toxic.
You and your family do not need this drama and stress.
Fcuk em.

Cherrysoup · 18/11/2024 17:43

Agree with @Calamitousness who cares if they have to sell up/lose all their money to IT? Tough shit. I genuinely don’t understand why you think your dc having a relationship with these nasty people is a good idea. Your mil HIT you because you wouldn’t hand over your baby?! Don’t care if it was 15 years ago, it demonstrates what kind of person she is ie one you really don’t want your kids around.

Your DH is ready to cut contact, having no family is better than having an abusive one. Take your cue from him.

FL0 · 18/11/2024 17:40

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 13:33

To all those who are referring to MIL hitting me, it was 15 years ago and afterwards there was a period where we didn't have them in our lives. The dynamic changed and we were able to keep them at arms length for the first time. We maintained a relationship but on our terms.

I’m sorry but you are deluded to think that you can ever be in control of a relationship with abusive people. The whole purpose of abusive behaviour is control, they will never allow you to share that power, let alone have it all. They will push and manipulate and do ANYTHING to restore what to them is the natural order of things. They will never accept any boundaries you put in place - it’s impossible for them. It’s their way or the highway.

If they were capable of compromise and negotiation and of changing, you wouldn’t be where you are today. The people who say things like “ have you thought about telling them how you feel ? “ and “ why don’t you give then another chance “ are well meaning I’m sure, but they don’t understand anything about abuse.

On a practical note, now you’ve had the suicide threats be prepared for the hospital admission for chest pain / heart attack or supposed diagnosis of terminal cancer. That’s usually next on the play list.

Calamitousness · 18/11/2024 17:33

So what if they lose all their money. Their choice. And let them go to your dh and be clear what the answer will always be. No.
Do not engage in discussion. A simple no will
suffice. Block them all and enjoy your life without them. Why strive to maintain contact with horrible abusive people. They’re not going to change.

StrawberryWater · 18/11/2024 17:24

Your inlaws sound exactly like mine! Crazy MIL, two moronic crazy sisters.

Cutting them out was the best thing we ever did!

Op you really need to drop the rope. Don't expose your kids to their mess.

Onlycoffee · 18/11/2024 16:53

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 13:49

I don't know exactly why I feel unsettled. It's been tricky and difficult with them since we had our first DC and sometimes I see things clearly and other times I feel clouded or unsure. This time, this issue feels like it could be permanent with no resolution. I am sad about it. Perhaps I have harboured hopes that one day we would have a happier, healthy relationship with them. The inheritance we let go of some time ago. We haven't ever made decisions or planned our lives around it.

It's ok and understandable to feel sad. Rather than trying to avoid that sadness by solving the problems, perhaps allow yourself to feel the discomfort and sadness so you can move through it and be at peace that way.

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 18/11/2024 16:35

@Snowflakefalling why in the world do you want your children to have a relationship with those toxic people??? leave them to it and if mil wants to cut your dh out of her will then so be it. the two sisters can fight it out but your family will be well out of it. do not all your dh to assist them in any way and that means also financially if they run into problems!!

FormerlyPathologicallyHappy · 18/11/2024 16:16

JustWalkingTheDogs · 18/11/2024 12:43

If someone slapped me there's no way on this earth I'd maintain a relationship with them, not to mention that you were holding a newborn!

I'd go no contact tbh and I think your dh should too. Let them get on with it

Same tbh.

So what if they struggle when it all hits the fan? They wouldnt care if you were in trouble.

butteriesplease · 18/11/2024 15:59

some people just aren't nice.
No matter how hard YOU try, they won't/don't. Why feel you have to have some contact - they are draining you emotionally, and of your time.
I imagine that you would feel a lot happier/less stressed if you reduced contact signficantly.

I am in very low contact with my MIL (helped by the fact she's in a different country) and it is so much easier now that I have allowed myself to not feel guilty about this. Every time I've thought, oh maybe I was over-reacting/being overly sensitive - she does something else that reminds me why I've reduced contact. Be kind to yourself.

Leavesandacorns · 18/11/2024 15:58

Stop trying to facilitate a relationship between emotionally abusive people and your children. Your MIL slapped you when you were holding your child, that on its own is enough reason to cut ties.

They are not safe people for your children to be around.

FlameGrilledSquirrel · 18/11/2024 15:53

You've given them the chance.

Their loss, move on.

Nanny0gg · 18/11/2024 15:48

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 13:49

I don't know exactly why I feel unsettled. It's been tricky and difficult with them since we had our first DC and sometimes I see things clearly and other times I feel clouded or unsure. This time, this issue feels like it could be permanent with no resolution. I am sad about it. Perhaps I have harboured hopes that one day we would have a happier, healthy relationship with them. The inheritance we let go of some time ago. We haven't ever made decisions or planned our lives around it.

And it's not your sadness to hold

Nanny0gg · 18/11/2024 15:47

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 12:40

I’m not thinking very clearly about why I struggle to cut ties completely. Lots of things - it’s that time of year when it feels strange not to see family; they are the little family we have and I wish my DC had more family around them (though I also wish they were better female role models); I don’t want DH to feel guilt when MIL dies (or for his wider family to blame him for her unhappiness in her later life), fear of how/if they will try to manipulate DC in the future

What other people do or think is nothing to do with you.

You can't control or influence it. And if his family don't already know how awful they are then it's too late anyway

They're not your family. Stop making your husband have contact with people who have been an awful presence in his life.

I think that's appalling

Nanny0gg · 18/11/2024 15:41

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 12:17

Thanks for the replies and advice all. We have no ties to them around the future estate planning, but I know DH has struggled with seeing them spend and essentially throw away what his DF worked hard to build up. In a nutshell they’ll be left with very little if they don’t do any estate planning, whereas they could have security if they do. We also fear they’ll come to DH when the money runs out.

As you'll be NC and you'll have blocked them. it won't matter

Nanny0gg · 18/11/2024 15:40

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 11:47

They add sadness and stress. It’s always negative feelings.

We doubt ourselves and I constantly wonder whether I should be doing more to maintain a grandparent relationship in DC lives. DH is ready to cut all contact but I’m not sure if he is just protecting himself from the hurt. I fear he’ll have regrets when his DM dies if they haven’t reconciled. She is in her 70s and not healthy.

Your husband is right

Your children don't need them and your DH definitely doesn't

Stop trying to maintain what doesn't exist

BefuddledCrumble · 18/11/2024 15:38

Don't let the inheritance issue lure you into trying to win them over.

You have already said they are a net negative, why else do you need to bother with them? It sounds like your dc would get nothing positive from any sort of 'relationship' with them.

You could always seek legal advice and contest the will if you feel the need. Frankly it sounds like you'd be better off just forgetting any of them even exist.

Adelstrop · 18/11/2024 15:33

They sound dreadful. You sound overly concerned about an inheritance you say you don’t care about. If you want any peace, cut them off and stop worrying about the inheritance.