To think the tactics of CBR UK are disgusting? Trigger warning - pro life.

I think there needs to be more awareness of what abortion involves. I've read threads on here where women are shocked when they pass the foetus, because they'd been led to believe it was just a blob of cells, and they're shocked and guilt-ridden over how developed it looks.

But I've also read threads where women regret their abortions and other posters tell them, "Don't blame yourself, it's the NHS's fault, they should have realised you were vulnerable and refused to allow you an abortion." If a woman regrets her decision, she has to take full responsibility for that. It's not the NHS's place to talk women out of abortions.

I suspect that what this poster means is that the procedure in relation to the embryo/fetus is rarely explained.

She's right, though, in that it's often glossed over. Whether this is something that women need to know is a matter of debate. I can see that it's often better for the mental health of the woman for it not to be dwelled on too much.

Terms like 'surgical abortion' are often used without explaining how the fetus is killed and removed. The focus is on the woman having a GA, what she will experience afterwards. It's easy to find out the nitty gritty though through Google is people want.

With the pills, Google says that the first pill blocks the hormone needed for the pregnancy to progress, but what does that mean - what is the actual process of demise? Who knows. If it was that it stopped oxygen getting to the embryo then we'd know it was suffocation. If it caused a massive internal bleed, we'd know it was that.

https://abortionrights.org.uk/

Anyone feeling the itch to donate to this charity, I'm sure every penny is highly appreciated.

Someone's got to stand up against these zealots.

@EverEdith Do you really think that those of us who've had abortions don't know what the procedure entails?!

You sound the the ignorant one, if so.

Absolutely disgusted by the 12% of YABUs. Vile.

These people are utterly evil and it truly sickens me that they stand there with such pompous righteousness.

Hate them with a passion.

Clearly none of them have ever miscarried or they'd know just how evil their 'methods' are.

The only good thing is that we have legislators on our side at the moment. It was an absolute win to have them banned from protesting within 100m of abortion clinics. This is the time to campaign against them.

They ran an extensive hate campaign against Stella Creasy because she dared to be pro-choice and pregnant at the same time.

No, I won't... and thankfully the head agreed with me when I told her. It was entirely inappropriate material to be handing out to young girls (and boys), Catholic or not.

I had an abortion almost 30 years ago, very much against what up until I was in the situation I believed in.

I was in an abusive relationship, had 4 children, 2 of them with less than a year apart (with 1 of those being in and out of hospital as a preemie and then having GDD so it was like having 2 newborns) and through no choice of my own I fell pregnant again when my youngest was less than 6 weeks old.

Oh and I suffered with severe hyperemesis, requiring regular admissions throughout every pregnancy. I also have EDS and the SPD hit along with the vomiting before I was even aware I might have missed a period. (Of course I hadn't even actually had my first period after giving birth).

When I went to the GP, I was quite bluntly told that my body wouldn't be able to deal with another pregnancy so soon. My actual life was at risk and there was an extremely high risk that i wouldn't be able to carry to term. It was highly recommended that I had an abortion.

Even all those years ago, the procedure was explained to me, along with all the risks of the operation (there were no chemical abortions back then). I was given all the information I needed to make an informed decision. I don't know of its the same now, but back then an abortion had to be signed off by 2 doctors, so everything was explained at least twice.

Do I regret having the abortion? No, my children needed me alive and physically capable of caring for them. Do I sometimes wonder about the child that couldn't have been? Yes, but in the same was I think about my other 3 stars, that baby has a star behind my ear in the same way my miscarriages do.

Pro-life as an excuse for misogyny.

This sort of shit has no place on our streets. I really hope you get them to fuck right off

I remember being really surprised how nice and non judgmental they were. I thought I was gonna be given the side eye and treated poorly. Then again I was raised Catholic and the expectation of extreme guilt and is always simmering under the surface!

Will all these women be protesting if the right to die campaign becomes law? Again it is a personal choice, if you don't want it then don't choose it, I bet if any of them are dying from an agonising condition some will choose the right to die, which makes them hypocrites.

A girl my dad knew died after a backstreet abortion in the 50's, it was awful the family were shunned by their neighbours when the truth came out & had to move house. I'm glad that we now have safe legal abortions because banning them wouldn't stop women aborting, just make it more dangerous & cause more deaths or women needing things like hysterectomies because of the damage caused.

You are entitled to your opinion. But my opinion is that abortion has been a net negative for women.

Not only is abortion a net positive for women, it's also a net positive for society. There's a theory that the fall in the crime rate in the US was linked to Roe vs Wade. Years after, unwanted children were traumatised, criminal adults. R vs W meant they weren't there and therefore the crime rate fell. It's correlation not causation but fortunately the US is running the experiment in reverse so we should know the answer in about 15-18 years.

It's also worth saying that in countries without safe, fee, legal abortion, there are MORE abortions. There are fewer in countries where women have rights and healthcare. So these arseholes only want to ban safe abortion. Which proves it's about hating women, not loving babies.

@EvilsElsasPetSnowman thanks for the reply. About 35 yrs ago, I picked up my friend after her abortion. She didn’t get any of that support you were offered afterwards. It seemed quite brutal in that they got her in and then out. I think all she brought home with her was her overnight bag.
Im glad you got what you needed and offered more if you wanted it. And I appreciate you answering.

So how explicit should the pictures be and where should they be seen? Not outside Lidl. But I wasn’t there.

The pictures are very explicit. Dismembered foetuses in a bin. Loads of pictures. In my town, they're outside the Greggs on the pedestrian precinct.

Mine was over 20 years ago I was a teenager but IIRC I was given antibiotics and painkillers to go home with and the ward number to call for any complications that might arise. I was also offered a counselling referral but didn’t want to take it. I did produce milk afterwards, loads of it, called the ward and was prescribed something to stop it. My friends got the same but one did take counselling. One asked one of her midwives if she judged her and she said she never ever judges anyone, and if she ever did she wouldn’t be fit for the job. It was reassuring to hear for both of us.

Couldnt ask for better really.

Thank you for that. It puts into words all the issues I have with the Anti-choice campaigners.

Virtue signalling at its most empty and damaging.

@PaperDreamsHoney how awful.

Misinformation is so dangerous, as your example demonstrates.

Thanks for asking - what is the support like after?

I'm a survivor of evangelical Christianity and I had personal experience with CBR. Someone in my church got involved with them and began shoving their material at everyone.

CBR is made up of many of the same people who are behind Christian Concern - the uncertified 'lawyers' who swoop in like vultures every time there's a legal challenge over withdrawing medical treatment from a child. It's all one big organisation.

The reason CBR get away with as much as they do is because they have sympathisers in local councils who they lean on to help them get permits or get out of trouble. And of course the nepotism factor - it helps when someone's Daddy is a peer or their cousin's a police officer.

It is like brainwashing - they go along to a presentation, get shown these horrifying images, then get bombarded with people telling them that children are being murdered and it's their job to help stop it. They genuinely believe that an abortion is the equivalent of a living baby or toddler being violently murdered and that they're the only ones who know the truth - including the dodgy biology they learn in their 'training'.

@pointythings you make complete sense. I have a large group of female friends who went to ' good' schools, mixed backgrounds but certainly most of us were lucky enough to have a good education, access to information. We were not stupid, are not stupid.
Nearly all of us ended up having an abortion.

You seem to think abortions aren’t in fact what they clearly and transparently are. That is worrying for someone who teachers biology to young people.

Aside from stopping the heart, which we knew (isn’t this a good thing?!) what else don’t we know about abortions?

@pointythings i wish our curriculum was set up like yours. We teach what we are told - the National Curriculum. It’s the mechanics at ks3 roughly 8 hours.