To think the tactics of CBR UK are disgusting? Trigger warning - pro life.

Even if a woman gets pregnant because she sleeps around and doesn't use contraception (because all that happens without any men involved, apparently), a baby is not supposed to be a punishment for the mother. I think most people would agree that it's better to use contraception but there will always be stupid or irresponsible people (who, being stupid and irresponsible, probably wouldn't make good parents) or just damn unlucky people who did use protection and it failed. We don't subject the women to the permanent physical and mental changes and risks of pregnancy, labour and motherhood, which can include permanent injuries and even death, so that they can receive what some people think is their righteous punishment. Who the fuck wants to force a baby to be born just to make the mother unhappy? Is that kind, compassionate, responsible, Christian?

Don't even get me started on those who think you can just birth the babies and give them away, like women are fucking toy dispensing machines. Anyone who thinks that's how pregnancy, labour and childbirth work doesn't know enough about them to have an opinion on the matter.

Yep. Maybe these pro-birth zealots should be shown photos of children abused by their mother and stepfather like Baby P? Show the cigarette burns on him, and knocked out teeth and all. Show them to the pro-Gestational Slavers and give them a guilty conscience, as to what they are, in practice and reality, supporting.

Because the images are fake. They are not 'real'. They use almost full-term babies to make it look like your average abortion. 98% of all abortions are well before the embryo even resembles anything a human form. They use fake, doctored images the emotionally manipulate and control women.

That's why. None of their propaganda is actually true. If it was, it would be different.

@EverEdith these pictures are being used to intimidate and coerce people.
It should always be a woman's right to choose. If someone doesn't agree with abortion, then that is absolutely fine, they have a choice and they don't have to have one. What they don't get to do is comment on other women's bodies and intimidate them into making a decision that isn't right for them.
Pro-lifers should put their energy into supporting the improvement of things like:
Maternity leave
Childcare costs
Respite care
Mental health services
Child Maintenance
Disability services
The list could go on.
Rather than pushing horrible pictures and leaflets into people's faces whilst they are out doing their shopping.
I do understand that the idea of an abortion is not a nice one, but no one makes that decision easily. Removing a women's right to abortions will never stop abortions, it just brings back the return of illegal ones.

Like deciding abortion is a net negative for women based on personal conviction? Like then leaping over to abortion not actually being about women once that ridiculous assertion was torn asunder?

Excellent post @AsMuchUseAsAChocolateTeapot
Demonstrates how its possible to have beliefs and convictions like yours and still have compassion. I don't necessarily agree with you but I respect your standpoint
There are many people, including a few on here, who could learn from you.

RememberedBills · Today 08:51
I don’t accept that it’s medical care

Some people still believe the world is flat. They’re wrong, too. Putting it politely.

I'm as pro life as they come and believe human life is sacred from conception to the grave, whatever age they happen to be when they face that end.

That said, I don't like this campaign. Some women are faced with a heart breaking choice to abort, some women have had miscarriages and stillbirths, others want to be mothers but cannot. I don't like abortion but most women who have them are not evil monsters deserving of condemnation or censure. Seeing images like this is a punch in the face of many vulnerable women and also maybe their partners/potential dads of their deceased children.

How about this organisation offering help to the women and their partners facing these horrible situations of a pregnancy that may endanger their lives or may not be viable ? Rape victims, too.

I also think contraception needs to be made cheaper and more available. The benefits of abstinence and natural family planning also promoted.

I would prefer teenage girls be shown films in schools of actual pregnancy and birth, of nappies and sleepless nights, perhaps this would reduce unwanted pregnancies when a young lady is not in a position to bring up a baby of her own. And employment and training opportunities for those girls in deprived areas, help with domestic violence and escaping partners or parents, affordable housing, so they don't see the need to escape by getting pregnant .

But it won't happen on a government level. Because that would mean the government actually helping the vulnerable and needy.

When women were going for backstreet abortions, it was difficult to get contraception. Nowadays, availability and choice is so much greater for consenting sex that it should not be needed to be used as contraception.

I think the number of people using abortion as contraception must be minuscule, I mean really, do you understand what abortion entails? It’s hardly a fun day out for someone who just can’t be bothered to take the pill. Contraception can, and does fail.

And that’s leaving out victims of rape and medical conditions of a baby or of the mother.
I was a fertilised egg once, then a clump of cells. I’m grateful to be here.

What do you mean “leaving them out”? Are you suggesting you’re ok with abortion if a woman was raped? What proof do you propose she provides? I was also a fertilised egg once and I wouldn’t know or care if my mother had aborted me.

If you see abortion as health care then why does being confronted with the diagrams shock you or make you angry or want to protest? Myself- the pictures are horrifying but they are what they are.

The same reason I’m pro assisted dying but don’t want to be confronted by photos of dead people waved in my face when I’m off to visit a terminally ill loved one.

Precisely my thoughts. I’d include graphic images of the birth process too. Y’know, for a fully informed decision making process.

If women considering abortions are to be shown harrowing images before they decide then should they also be shown images of what can happen to children who are unwanted and born into circumstances where their mother can't or won't look after them?
How about graphic images of birth injuries too?

@EverEdith the images are designed to intimidate. You know this. It would never stop me proceeding should I need it. Yet, the added trauma should I require an abortion for say something like a condition incompatible with life - then this is utterly cruel and unacceptable to have to face. Most of us accept life requires difficult decisions at times.

Aside this, young, vulnerable women need to be protected from coercive tactics. How do we know these images are accurate? How do we know what these people, probably uninformed and low education, are actually ' educating'. I would be immensely concerned that it is misinformation, inaccurate in it's content and what they are espousing. This is very dangerous in terms of potentially inaccurate propaganda.

I am quite convinced in my belief that most pro life ( with exception) are religious zealots. Religion will trump a great deal including the sexual abuse of children. We only need look at history on that one. It's no leap at all; I wish it was.

There are a lot of leaps and all manner of gymnastics going on in this thread

I’ll apologise now because this is bound to upset or offend someone.

When women were going for backstreet abortions, it was difficult to get contraception. Nowadays, availability and choice is so much greater for consenting sex that it should not be needed to be used as contraception.
It must be awful to think and see that as your only choice. I can’t imagine anyone going for an abortion without being upset to some degree.

And that’s leaving out victims of rape and medical conditions of a baby or of the mother.
I was a fertilised egg once, then a clump of cells. I’m grateful to be here.
Going for a medical procedure you are always told what will happen. Are women told the ins and outs of the procedure?
I can understand that when confronted with those photos/pictures they are awful. I watched an interview of ex-abortionists, women who’d had an abortion and a survivor of an abortion. It was so sad all around.
If you see abortion as health care then why does being confronted with the diagrams shock you or make you angry or want to protest? Myself- the pictures are horrifying but they are what they are.

No apology for this one @Tittat50 not sure how you’ve made the leap from someone being pro-life to also ignoring / supporting child abuse?

PP can have her personal opinion that 4 weeks should be the cut off. Then if PP ever falls pregnant and doesn’t want to be, then she can CHOOSE to terminate before 4 weeks.
Same as for you at 8 weeks.

The legal limit, as it stands, gives everyone the CHOICE.
Dont agree with abortion? Then don’t have one. It’s quite simple.

Well luckily women in the UK have consistently voted to reject your opinion.

Those of us who grew up in Gilead (1980’s Ireland) can safely advise you to pray that the law is not changed. You have no idea what you’re asking for, and are depending on those with more sense to save you and your daughters, and granddaughters from your foolishness.

I've just looked again at the regulatory powers - Local Authorities have the power to issue dispersal orders and declare a particular area as a no go zone - if they have enough reports regarding the impact of Anti Social Behaviour.

I'd encourage everyone to report this stuff whenever they encounter it.

Every Local Authority should have an anti social behaviour team who work in collaboration with the Police. Police and PCSOs have the power to disperse people who continue to gather.

I used to work in an ASB team. You need things reported, you need to make a noise. More people need to shout out - this has caused myself and my family significant distress. Was your child crying at witnessing this? Yes? Well this needs to be reported. Email is always always best to report this.

Absolutely agree and I am the same. I had one too with absolutely no regrets. Only relief. I don’t ever even think about it now, other than when the topic arises of course.

How terrifying the access that institutions ( usually religious, have in primary schools). It's better, but still very problematic.

@Gingerbee I wonder if it was the same leaflet? It was really horrible.

OP - I agree with the suggestion that you report this to the Council. And anyone else.

It is an act of anti social behaviour and if people report it they have powers to stop people gathering and causing ' harassment alarm and distress'.
One needs to use the words, harassment, distress etc.

My family are RC and I went to a Convent school. I remember the pro life group coming in and giving us a lecture and a horrid leaflet. The main speaker was a really handsome guy in his 20s. Half the girls fancied him but I thought he was sleazy. Again in the late 70s.
I went home and showed my mum the leaflet. She was cross that we had been subjected to this at school.
Allowing some 'Man' to lecture us about our bodies and our right to choose. She said it was sheer manipulation.
I asked her if she had ever had one. She was shocked. She said no but she was lucky she had her children in a loving marriage, had never been raped or destitute. She did say that they were shocked when she fell pregnant with number 3. And that the rhythm method doesn't work! They were really short of money but made it work.
She was adamant that it was for a woman to choose and that these organisations don't help pay for a child.
She said you should never look down on a friend who has to make such a difficult choice in life and should be there to support not judge.

Dad later took the leaflet and put it on the fire. He said its propaganda and all propaganda should be burnt.

I like, my mum have never had to have an abortion but I will defend a woman's right to choose.