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Draining guests

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FunkyGoldfish · 18/11/2024 08:14

We have friends who come and stay once a year. They both eat a lot (much more than we do) and expect breakfast, lunch, snacks and evening meal. They like a drink. This last visit (they stayed 3 nights), we got through 8 bottles of wine, 6 beers plus G&Ts - most of that was consumed by them. They expect us to drive them everywhere when they are here and never offer to use their car. Over the years they bring less with them - they used to arrive with wine, chocolates, flowers - this time, they brought one bottle of wine. They have always paid for an evening meal at a pub on one of the days but we end up paying for coffees/lunch out - they never offer but just say "we're taking you out for a meal" as if that justifies us paying for everything else. They both have good jobs and earn more than us. Their visit costs us a small fortune and we are exhausted afterwards. We have never stayed with them - they've never invited us. I think they see their stay here as a little holiday (we live in a popular tourist area) and, tbh, we feel used. They've only just left and I'm already dreading getting the message asking when they can come next year. What would you do?

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RossGellersCat · 18/11/2024 12:32

GrandHighPoohbah · 18/11/2024 08:27

I would definitely go with "Why don't we come to you next time? October is most convenient for us - any dates that suit for you?". And if they start with some old flannel about why they can't host, go back with "Ah well, not to worry. We're taking a break from hosting visitors next year but let's keep in touch".

I really like this as a response, assuming that you would actually like to visit them/ maintain a connection.

Whineandcheese · 18/11/2024 12:31

As a few previous posters have suggested, when the subject of their next visit is raised by them, either in an email, other social media message, or by phone, simply reply "It's our turn to come to you next."
No sorry, No prevarication, no need to say anything else. Then change the subject.
If they ask why, just repeat the same sentence. Then change the subject.
If they try and come at it another way, just repeat the same sentence. Then change the subject.
Make sure your OH is primed to do the same. They will get the message. And if they then try to arrange your visit to them (which I doubt they will), just say "We'll get back to you." Then change the subject. Then don't get back to them (unless you actually want to go and stay with them).
It helps if you and your OH practice this between yourselves beforehand.
This is not rude - they are the ones who have been repeatedly rude. It's just you firmly asserting boundaries.
I speak from experience!

Chowtime · 18/11/2024 12:28

How old are you and how long have you been doing it? I think I'd just say with a laugh you're getting older and finding it all too difficult now.

KimberleyClark · 18/11/2024 12:20

decembersnows · 18/11/2024 10:19

This visit was the worst and has left us really upset.

This comment stands out. A visit from friends should not leave you upset or resentful.
You can handle it in many ways, and you've got a lot of advice upthread.

However perhaps in this case honesty is the best policy. You don't really have anything to lose to be honest. Just tell them how you feel.

I would be tempted to do this too. “It’s all starting to feel a bit one sided. Hosting you costs us a lot in money and effort and you’ve never invited us back.” As pp said you have nothing to lose. If they stop coming it will be their loss and your gain.

Wishimaywishimight · 18/11/2024 12:19

You are being an absolute doormat!

Read over your OP then read it again - don't you feel a bit daft?

All of this is in your hands. These people are not your friends, you hardly ever hear from them and you only see them when they want a(nother) free holiday.

Delay replying to their texts so that contact is minimal throughout the year then when you get next year's 'when shall we come visit?" just say you've had lots of visitors over the past year and you want some time to yourselves then keep repeating each time they ask.

If you keep letting them walk all over you then nothing will change.

NotARealWookiie · 18/11/2024 12:19

“Unfortunately we’ve concluded that hosting guests isn’t affordable for us, we live in a popular tourist spot so I’m sure you’ll understand”

Disturbia81 · 18/11/2024 12:19

Just say no! It's amazing.

SlightlyGoneOff · 18/11/2024 12:15

Anycrispsleft · 18/11/2024 12:03

There are always people on these threads who don't understand how you could end up being taken advantage of as a host and I in turn don't understand why they don't understand! My background is west of Scotland working class but I think this is common in the UK generally, that among friends and family you err on the side of generosity whether you're hosting or being hosted - like if you go out for food say, there's a whole "now you put your money away" fight to pay each time, but within that, broadly you would expect over time to come out about equal in terms of what you contribute. If someone is long term not contributing, we would never be so unstylish as to say anything to them, but we would slowly stop inviting them to stuff. If it was someone who didn't understand the rules at all - I had some German colleagues at uni for example who fell foul of this - for them I would break the fourth wall and explain what is going on, but even then, I would expect most adults from any culture to realise that generosity between friends can't always go the one way, and there needs to be some reciprocity somehow, even if you're missing out on the cultural cues to do it. And if someone is going to have to question the social rules in order to make that happen, it's going to be far nicer if you go "I can't keep accepting all these drinks off everyone, please let me buy a round!" than if you say nothing and eventually your hosts feel like they have to say "actually we think it might be your turn to pay" - which is much more awkward for everyone and is a total friendship killer for me - something I would only ever do if I was so pissed off with the person's ongoing stinginess that I was happy not to see them again.
I could well imagine that the OP had a couple of visits like that where the guests ended up getting a bit more than they received and she thought "it'll even itself out the next time" but the CF guests have taken it as carte balance to be even cheekier this time! I can't imagine they have many long term friendships like that, but maybe they prefer free dinners to friendships, some people are like that.

But that only works, if, as you acknowledge yourself, if everyone is operating according to the same cultural norms about hosting and paying. I come from a similar background to you (an annual lunch after an anniversary mass is enlivened by each of the three siblings (my mother, aunt and uncle) present trying to pay for everyone, and people sneaking off to the loo to pay surreptitiously, culminating in one year, when the staff were a bit distracted, in the bill being paid twice!), but I have enough friends from cultures with very different expectations to be flexible.

If the OP hosts these people annually, but doesn’t ever go to stay with them, then the system of rough reciprocation isn’t going to work, as the hosts are never guests, so will only get the token lunch in reciprocation for three days of feeding, watering, entertaining and transporting.

Queenofheart · 18/11/2024 12:14

please come back when they have messaged you and let us know what you replied :)

GasPanic · 18/11/2024 12:12

No.

TheWayTheLightFalls · 18/11/2024 12:10

Queenofheart · 18/11/2024 08:47

hi, it was great to see you this weekend. A couple of our other friends and family members have asked can they visit next year, it'll be too much to do more than a couple of weekends so will have to give your visit a miss ... we'd be happy to come to you guys for the weekend though if you let me know when suits

ya cheeky feckers! 😂

This, or a version of this. Now, while the memory of their visit is still fresh in your minds.

Anycrispsleft · 18/11/2024 12:03

There are always people on these threads who don't understand how you could end up being taken advantage of as a host and I in turn don't understand why they don't understand! My background is west of Scotland working class but I think this is common in the UK generally, that among friends and family you err on the side of generosity whether you're hosting or being hosted - like if you go out for food say, there's a whole "now you put your money away" fight to pay each time, but within that, broadly you would expect over time to come out about equal in terms of what you contribute. If someone is long term not contributing, we would never be so unstylish as to say anything to them, but we would slowly stop inviting them to stuff. If it was someone who didn't understand the rules at all - I had some German colleagues at uni for example who fell foul of this - for them I would break the fourth wall and explain what is going on, but even then, I would expect most adults from any culture to realise that generosity between friends can't always go the one way, and there needs to be some reciprocity somehow, even if you're missing out on the cultural cues to do it. And if someone is going to have to question the social rules in order to make that happen, it's going to be far nicer if you go "I can't keep accepting all these drinks off everyone, please let me buy a round!" than if you say nothing and eventually your hosts feel like they have to say "actually we think it might be your turn to pay" - which is much more awkward for everyone and is a total friendship killer for me - something I would only ever do if I was so pissed off with the person's ongoing stinginess that I was happy not to see them again.
I could well imagine that the OP had a couple of visits like that where the guests ended up getting a bit more than they received and she thought "it'll even itself out the next time" but the CF guests have taken it as carte balance to be even cheekier this time! I can't imagine they have many long term friendships like that, but maybe they prefer free dinners to friendships, some people are like that.

romdowa · 18/11/2024 12:01

Since they've just gone back , now is the time to nip this is the bud.
Dear cf , we enjoyed your stay so much and it was great to see you. However going forward we've decided that we will be unable to host guests for the foreseeable.
Don't wait for them to contact you, get ahead of them and get in there first

Richiewoo · 18/11/2024 11:57

Just tell them no.

Lurkingandlearning · 18/11/2024 11:40

FunkyGoldfish · 18/11/2024 10:04

Minimal contact throughout the year - the odd text message.

That’s not friendship. That’s how acquaintances keep in touch or CF who want a free holiday. There’s no need to pussyfoot around with them because you know, but for the free holiday you wouldn’t hear from them at all.

Just tell them that it feels weird having them in your home for three days as there’s so little contact between you for the rest of the year.

MrsClatterbuck · 18/11/2024 11:39

Itsjustalittlebitfunny555 · 18/11/2024 11:08

To be fair to your guests op, taking you out and paying for one meal out of a three-night stay is a reasonably generous gesture imho, but I see they do drink a lot, and expecting to be driven around is cheeky.

Op you don't have to do this next year. Let this be the last time. You have done your bit.

Just be on the alert for the "initiating" phone call. I know how these things can work, you are chatting on the phone about something completely different and people casually slip in a phrase such as "we'll do that when we visit in November" as though it's a fait accompli and you think "hang on, when was this agreed?".

So don't let any casual remarks slip. Hoist the big girl pants right up to your chest, breathe deeply, and in a loud voice say something like, "actually Janice that doesn't work for us, as we are taking a break from hosting for various reasons next year". And if they don't accept no for an answer, because some people have skin like a rhino, repeat "no actually, we are finding hosting too much and we aren't doing it next year". If asked why just tell them straight, "you know how it is Janice, some people like to take advantage and rarely reciprocate and it's exhausting" and then stop speaking and let silence reign while the pennies drop.

Really like this

PumpkinPurple · 18/11/2024 11:38

I would be inclined to tell them that since moving to this popular tourist area, you have had so many people visit that you don't have a moment's peace and it is wearing you both out, so you have made a decision that you will no longer be hosting anybody (except your parents). But can recommend a good hotel just up the road and if they are visiting the area, you would love to meet them for a coffee.

Flossflower · 18/11/2024 11:38

To be fair to your guests op, taking you out and paying for one meal out of a three-night stay is a reasonably generous gesture imho, but I see they do drink a lot, and expecting to be driven around is cheeky.

No I don’t think one meal is reasonable. When visiting friends for 3 days we would take them out for 1 very good meal, but would still expect to come with lots of alcohol etc. if we had a coffee we would fight for the bill. Our friends are the same.

TubeScreamer · 18/11/2024 11:35

If you enjoy seeing them then go with the ‘why don’t we come to you next time’ approach.
otherwise you either need to say ‘can we do things a little differently’ and explain or be vague and non-commital when they broach the subject of another visit. You need to take control of this and anticipate how they will react to whatever you say.

YellowRoom · 18/11/2024 11:34

Why are you friends if you have barely any contact except when they visit and then you are left poor and upset? You don't have to be nice to people who are horrible to you. Friends are supposed to enhance your life.

Maria1979 · 18/11/2024 11:30

Dear Freeloaders, We have decided to no longer host our friends due to private circumstances (we hate freeloaders if you're nosy enough to ask).

Job done.

desperatedaysareover · 18/11/2024 11:29

I’d either be honest - ‘it’s great to see you guys but we can’t afford to do what we just did, cost of living!’ or obfuscate about dates till they get the message. If neither works for you next time they come just buy one bottle of wine per meal. Once it’s drunk it’s drunk. Don’t buy them coffees, take a flask. No steak, sausage casserole. Match their energy!

bridgetreilly · 18/11/2024 11:28

they've never invited us. I think they see their stay here as a little holiday (we live in a popular tourist area) and, tbh, we feel used. They've only just left and I'm already dreading getting the message asking when they can come next year.

Read this back, OP. Why are you waiting for an invitation when they invite themselves? Why do you always wait for them to offer to pay, rather than simply saying ‘We’ll split this.’ Don’t stock up on the drinks they like - when you run out, tell them to go and get whatever they like.

Stop being such a doormat!

NotTram · 18/11/2024 11:25

Caroparo52 · 18/11/2024 11:05

Then just don't set a date. Or don't have much food in house or booze. Obviously you are much too generous as hosts. So cut that out.
Oh dear that's the last bottle gone. Then silence. If they want a drink they can pop to Tesco....keep up the we're out of wine on repeat. Be stingy hosts. Rubbish food. Take flasks of coffee with you etc.. Keep the house cold. Run out of hot water etc.

This 😍

Compash · 18/11/2024 11:24

Tell them you've gone teetotal. In my experience, they will run away so fast, they will leave a hole in the air...