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FunkyGoldfish · 18/11/2024 08:14

We have friends who come and stay once a year. They both eat a lot (much more than we do) and expect breakfast, lunch, snacks and evening meal. They like a drink. This last visit (they stayed 3 nights), we got through 8 bottles of wine, 6 beers plus G&Ts - most of that was consumed by them. They expect us to drive them everywhere when they are here and never offer to use their car. Over the years they bring less with them - they used to arrive with wine, chocolates, flowers - this time, they brought one bottle of wine. They have always paid for an evening meal at a pub on one of the days but we end up paying for coffees/lunch out - they never offer but just say "we're taking you out for a meal" as if that justifies us paying for everything else. They both have good jobs and earn more than us. Their visit costs us a small fortune and we are exhausted afterwards. We have never stayed with them - they've never invited us. I think they see their stay here as a little holiday (we live in a popular tourist area) and, tbh, we feel used. They've only just left and I'm already dreading getting the message asking when they can come next year. What would you do?

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ThianWinter · 18/11/2024 16:03

When next year's visit is mentioned, tell them you already have plans, and the year after that, say the same thing. If they are only visiting you as a means to a cheap holiday, then they'll stop contact and find someone else, who lives in a nice area, to scrounge off.

Plastictrees · 18/11/2024 15:56

FunkyGoldfish · 18/11/2024 15:43

Thank you. Yes, I think they expect the initial hospitality we provided years ago (when we were new to the area, went overboard with catering and really keen to welcome guests). Other regular guests just slot in with us, offer to drive/prep food, pay for coffees/meal out, some even bring a meal they have cooked. These guests don't host much themselves (only their immediate family) so maybe they just don't realise what effort goes in to entertaining visitors.

Well, maybe they can start realising when you turn up for a long awaited visit - they can return the hospitality!!

potatocakesinprogress · 18/11/2024 15:52

Given how you've described things it sounds like they don't have a problem expressing themselves with what they want and you do.

Have you ever asked instead of waiting for them to offer? Do you tell them to bring all the alcohol for everyone for their visit and you'll sort the non-pub food? Do you ask them to drive? Or load the dishwasher?

Not everyone likes driving in unfamiliar areas and it makes sense for you to drive because you know how to get everywhere and all the quirks of the area.

They probably don't even know they're doing anything to annoy you, since you've had the same arrangement years. I don't see why them bringing flowers and chocolates would suddenly make everything okay again. And they're unable to compare themselves to your other guests, they don't have that knowledge.

It sounds like you were excited to show off your new home in the beginning and it's fizzled out.

FunkyGoldfish · 18/11/2024 15:43

Plastictrees · 18/11/2024 15:33

You are clearly a lovely person OP, your ‘friends’ less so. I can relate to you - I previously enjoyed hosting, I live in a part of the world that people love to visit, I would pull out all the stops. Things have changed since having young DC and we can no longer play tour guides, chefs and taxi drivers! People become accustomed to what you initially provided and now expect that every time. Good friends will reciprocate though, or at the very least reduce the demands and increase the gratitude. They have a lot of audacity! Time for some rock solid boundaries I think, the dynamic massively needs to shift. They are taking but what are they giving in return? Don’t accept this.

Thank you. Yes, I think they expect the initial hospitality we provided years ago (when we were new to the area, went overboard with catering and really keen to welcome guests). Other regular guests just slot in with us, offer to drive/prep food, pay for coffees/meal out, some even bring a meal they have cooked. These guests don't host much themselves (only their immediate family) so maybe they just don't realise what effort goes in to entertaining visitors.

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FunkyGoldfish · 18/11/2024 15:33

Anycrispsleft · 18/11/2024 12:03

There are always people on these threads who don't understand how you could end up being taken advantage of as a host and I in turn don't understand why they don't understand! My background is west of Scotland working class but I think this is common in the UK generally, that among friends and family you err on the side of generosity whether you're hosting or being hosted - like if you go out for food say, there's a whole "now you put your money away" fight to pay each time, but within that, broadly you would expect over time to come out about equal in terms of what you contribute. If someone is long term not contributing, we would never be so unstylish as to say anything to them, but we would slowly stop inviting them to stuff. If it was someone who didn't understand the rules at all - I had some German colleagues at uni for example who fell foul of this - for them I would break the fourth wall and explain what is going on, but even then, I would expect most adults from any culture to realise that generosity between friends can't always go the one way, and there needs to be some reciprocity somehow, even if you're missing out on the cultural cues to do it. And if someone is going to have to question the social rules in order to make that happen, it's going to be far nicer if you go "I can't keep accepting all these drinks off everyone, please let me buy a round!" than if you say nothing and eventually your hosts feel like they have to say "actually we think it might be your turn to pay" - which is much more awkward for everyone and is a total friendship killer for me - something I would only ever do if I was so pissed off with the person's ongoing stinginess that I was happy not to see them again.
I could well imagine that the OP had a couple of visits like that where the guests ended up getting a bit more than they received and she thought "it'll even itself out the next time" but the CF guests have taken it as carte balance to be even cheekier this time! I can't imagine they have many long term friendships like that, but maybe they prefer free dinners to friendships, some people are like that.

Exactly this. They were extremely generous the first couple of times they stayed and we pulled out all the stops to be welcoming and make sure that they had a good time staying with us. We had recently moved and were happy that people wanted to come and see us. As the years have gone on, they have brought less and less with them and seemed to expect more from us. I kept thinking "maybe next year will be different" but the last 2 visits have made me feel used so I don't think now things will change.

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Plastictrees · 18/11/2024 15:33

FunkyGoldfish · 18/11/2024 15:19

We drive them out for the meal so one of us then can't drink. They eat lots of food/sides and drink loads. What they pay for our part of the meal doesn't even cover the cost of the alcohol they have consumed at ours. And they've then had meals at ours, been driven around and we've paid for coffees/lunch out.

You are clearly a lovely person OP, your ‘friends’ less so. I can relate to you - I previously enjoyed hosting, I live in a part of the world that people love to visit, I would pull out all the stops. Things have changed since having young DC and we can no longer play tour guides, chefs and taxi drivers! People become accustomed to what you initially provided and now expect that every time. Good friends will reciprocate though, or at the very least reduce the demands and increase the gratitude. They have a lot of audacity! Time for some rock solid boundaries I think, the dynamic massively needs to shift. They are taking but what are they giving in return? Don’t accept this.

ConstanceM · 18/11/2024 15:27

Why do people tolerate this shite. Why does it become incumbent on OP to feel guilty when these royal piss taking parasites haven't got the social or emotional intelligence to realise how repugnant they are. I would've even make any excuses, just say No, you're busy...very busy....cannot accommodate and give them a list of B&Bs..good luck

ChocolateTelephone · 18/11/2024 15:25

Just stop doing it. You can be blunt or you can put them off with vague excuses until they get the hint.

FunkyGoldfish · 18/11/2024 15:22

Amarige · 18/11/2024 10:37

I'm so disappointed that this thread wasn't posted by a vampire.

Haha! Didn't think of that when I wrote the title!!

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FunkyGoldfish · 18/11/2024 15:19

Itsjustalittlebitfunny555 · 18/11/2024 11:08

To be fair to your guests op, taking you out and paying for one meal out of a three-night stay is a reasonably generous gesture imho, but I see they do drink a lot, and expecting to be driven around is cheeky.

Op you don't have to do this next year. Let this be the last time. You have done your bit.

Just be on the alert for the "initiating" phone call. I know how these things can work, you are chatting on the phone about something completely different and people casually slip in a phrase such as "we'll do that when we visit in November" as though it's a fait accompli and you think "hang on, when was this agreed?".

So don't let any casual remarks slip. Hoist the big girl pants right up to your chest, breathe deeply, and in a loud voice say something like, "actually Janice that doesn't work for us, as we are taking a break from hosting for various reasons next year". And if they don't accept no for an answer, because some people have skin like a rhino, repeat "no actually, we are finding hosting too much and we aren't doing it next year". If asked why just tell them straight, "you know how it is Janice, some people like to take advantage and rarely reciprocate and it's exhausting" and then stop speaking and let silence reign while the pennies drop.

We drive them out for the meal so one of us then can't drink. They eat lots of food/sides and drink loads. What they pay for our part of the meal doesn't even cover the cost of the alcohol they have consumed at ours. And they've then had meals at ours, been driven around and we've paid for coffees/lunch out.

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FunkyGoldfish · 18/11/2024 15:12

cookiebee · 18/11/2024 12:38

We lived in the Channel Islands for five years, it was like running a fucking B&B, have moved back to the northwest now and no longer drink alcohol and it’s crickets, no one suddenly say things like ‘it’s been ages since we saw you!’ Or as I always translated ’you are our favourite friends/relatives, we would love to see you for a cheap holiday and use your pool!’. Problem is my partner didn’t mind it or didn’t like saying no, it pissed me off, his mum practically lived with us!

My suggestion is if your not confrontational, just go silent on the matter, change the subject, never commit, say vague things like ‘we will see’ but never get back with a date, people usually move on to the next victim, sorry, I mean close friend 🙄

Yes, that's how we feel sometimes - that we're running a b&b. I don't mind people staying if they pay their way and help out when they're here (meal prep/laying the table/washing up after a meal etc) but these guests just sit there drinking and asking where we're taking them next.

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MissMoan · 18/11/2024 13:37

You do not need to explain yourself. Just say 'we are not in a position to host anymore' and leave it at that.

Autumnismyfavouritetimeofyear · 18/11/2024 13:28

"Sorry, we are not going to fit it in this year. Happy to suggest other places you can stay if you still want to visit the area, and may be able to meet up for a meal while you are here. Take care">

CautiousLurker1 · 18/11/2024 13:17

Flatandhappy · 18/11/2024 10:13

I would suggest you either respond with “think it’s our turn to come to you, when suits?”, or “sorry, after many years of hosting we have decided that in future we would love to meet up with people for a meal or two when you are in the area but are no longer able to accommodate houseguests”. I changed my house around to ensure we no longer had guest rooms after a particularly brutal experience. I have had the occasional person to stay overnight since then but that is my limit.

I’d go with the second part of this - happy to see them if they are visiting the area but they’ll need to book an air b n b going forward as you’ve converted the spare room into a hobby room and no longer have a bed for them…

But essentially just because you’ve hosted them in the past, doesn't mean you’re obliged to host them forever. In your situation I would be quite ruthless - what do they bring to you as a couple versus what you give back in money and inconvenience? From what you’ve said, it’s not a reciprocal friendship just a ‘keep the communication open so that we can have a largely free holiday once a year’ kind of arrangement. If you don’t truly enjoy their company, don’t feel you could reach out to them for support in a crisis, and feel that they’d stop reaching out if you moved to somewhere less touristy… then just boot them.

DemonicCaveMaggot · 18/11/2024 13:01

Compash · 18/11/2024 11:24

Tell them you've gone teetotal. In my experience, they will run away so fast, they will leave a hole in the air...

Telling them you are looking forward to sharing the details of your spiritual journey also works.

TheCatterall · 18/11/2024 12:56

@FunkyGoldfish ‘dear CF, we can’t afford to continue to host you going forward but would love to catch up again if you stay in the area”.

Let’s face it - minimum contact through the year but expect an all inclusive free holiday in your home.. these aren’t friends.

can you have a holiday in their spare room? Do you get invited to their area?

imSatanhonest · 18/11/2024 12:48

CF freeloaders who only text a few times a year - and one of them is to ask "When can we come?" ?

A simple "Sorry, we're not hosting this year." Tbh I'd be ignoring any texts at all from them from now on - no reply IS a reply.

SlightlyGoneOff · 18/11/2024 12:45

Nesbi · 18/11/2024 12:44

I bet these people are thinking to themselves “they love seeing us and we make all that effort to drive down, so it is only right that they provide most of the drinks/entertainment when we get there”.

Unfortunately they will keep thinking this (and believing this is how you really feel) unless you say or do something to change their minds.

And yes, it’s perfectly possible this is true.

Meowingtwice · 18/11/2024 12:45

Oooo I want to stay at your house- sounds great!!

Seriously though just meet them for a day out instead half way between yours and theirs.

SlightlyGoneOff · 18/11/2024 12:45

Anycrispsleft · 18/11/2024 12:38

@slightlygoneoff but given that this cultural norm exists quite widely in the UK, I find it odd and a bit disingenuous when pps go "how could the OP have let herself get into this situation?" and suggest she makes pointed comments that in our sort of guess culture are as good as telling the other person to eff off.
I agree though that it's always going to be quite difficult to reciprocate if one side is doing the hosting and the other side never does. I mean for me, this is why I don't host guests other than my in-laws, because I don't like hosting and I also don't like being a guest, so the rules of Scottish hospitality means I would need to follow up an uncomfortable weekend of hosting with the "reward" of another uncomfortable weekend of being a guest.

It’s not at all disingenuous to suggest people need to grow out of this particular cultural norm if, as in the OP’s case, it’s causing actual stress and displeasure on an annual basis. It’s clear these people are never going to reciprocate as this one-sided arrangement has been going on for years, and they never invite the OP to stay. It’s ridiculous to keep going along with something that they don’t enjoy purely to maintain the fiction of ‘good hosts never let a guest put a hand in their pocket’.

Nesbi · 18/11/2024 12:44

I bet these people are thinking to themselves “they love seeing us and we make all that effort to drive down, so it is only right that they provide most of the drinks/entertainment when we get there”.

Unfortunately they will keep thinking this (and believing this is how you really feel) unless you say or do something to change their minds.

OriginalUsername2 · 18/11/2024 12:39

@Anycrispsleft

If it was someone who didn't understand the rules at all - I had some German colleagues at uni for example who fell foul of this - for them I would break the fourth wall and explain what is going on

That’s so interesting you use the term “breaking the fourth wall”. I’m Autistic and have just realised that’s what I do - break the fourth wall - a lot more than others. I’m programmed to say things bluntly like this but know that socially most people don’t like it. Even the ones being treated unfairly would be shocked I had said something.

I spend so much time holding my tongue in these situations now.

Anycrispsleft · 18/11/2024 12:38

@slightlygoneoff but given that this cultural norm exists quite widely in the UK, I find it odd and a bit disingenuous when pps go "how could the OP have let herself get into this situation?" and suggest she makes pointed comments that in our sort of guess culture are as good as telling the other person to eff off.
I agree though that it's always going to be quite difficult to reciprocate if one side is doing the hosting and the other side never does. I mean for me, this is why I don't host guests other than my in-laws, because I don't like hosting and I also don't like being a guest, so the rules of Scottish hospitality means I would need to follow up an uncomfortable weekend of hosting with the "reward" of another uncomfortable weekend of being a guest.

cookiebee · 18/11/2024 12:38

We lived in the Channel Islands for five years, it was like running a fucking B&B, have moved back to the northwest now and no longer drink alcohol and it’s crickets, no one suddenly say things like ‘it’s been ages since we saw you!’ Or as I always translated ’you are our favourite friends/relatives, we would love to see you for a cheap holiday and use your pool!’. Problem is my partner didn’t mind it or didn’t like saying no, it pissed me off, his mum practically lived with us!

My suggestion is if your not confrontational, just go silent on the matter, change the subject, never commit, say vague things like ‘we will see’ but never get back with a date, people usually move on to the next victim, sorry, I mean close friend 🙄

LookItsMeAgain · 18/11/2024 12:35

I'd say that you're unable to be host this time (and any further times) and that if they're looking for a night away or whatever, you would recommend X hotel or Y AirBnB and that you'd be happy to meet with them for lunch somewhere during their visit to your town/city.

That's what I'd say to them.