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DW crying infront of the children

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Tonytonitonee · 18/11/2024 01:03

Does crying / arguing in front of children have an long term impact on their well being? I remember my parents having screaming rows when i was younger and being unpstairs listening and being in a state of panic. This was 30-35 odd years ago and it still makes me upset when I remember.

Due to my childhood experience, I have tried my best not to be too emotional in front of my children.

However, my DW has no hesitation crying or arguing in front of the children.

This means we cannot have an adult conversation about any issues with our marriage because she will become very defensive & shouty.

It also means that when she criticises me in front of the children, and she does fairly often, I don't defend myself. I generally accept her criticism because I want descalate the situation. Unfortunately, the children have occasionally repeated DW's criticism.

I am abit lost as to what I should do next. I am deeply, deeply unhappy, but I am too scared to say anything for fear of upsetting DW.

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Tonytonitonee · 19/11/2024 07:16

Aberentian · 18/11/2024 04:57

This means we cannot have an adult conversation about any issues with our marriage because she will become very defensive & shouty.

Why can't you have these conversations away from the kids?
I'm suspicious honestly. My DH uses "not in front of the kids" to shut me down but he won't talk when they're not there either. So if something bothers me, I'm never allowed to talk about it. Which probably does make me "defensive and shouty."
What is she unhappy about?

We have these conversations away from the children but afterwards she will tell the children, 'Your father is mean to me; he said this.'

She won't consider the impact her words will have on the children.

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Tonytonitonee · 19/11/2024 07:13

LittleBitAlexisLaLaLaLaLa · 18/11/2024 04:16

You’re being emotionally abused OP from what you’ve said. How old are your children? Someone posted a number upthread, definitely call them, you need someone to talk to who can be empathetic towards you and offer constructive advice only, rather than on here where advice is mixed in with “well why did you make her cry?” Type replies.

They are 11 and 9.

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Tonytonitonee · 19/11/2024 07:05

Ebabllisstggoffor · 18/11/2024 02:57

You’ve nailed it. I have nothing to add to this very sensible post. 👏

I will have these conversations in private but she is so sensitive that she will become upset and cry and obviously the children will find out.

It's not just me; she's become upset at the children not listening or if there is an issue with someone at work, a friend or her family. Anything can upset her.

I am genuinely at all loss about what to do. I am walking on egg shells just doing my best not to upset her.

There is so much going on with me, at work, and other stuff and I feel completely overwhelmed. I just want to sit in a dark room for a few days.

its a rubbish existence for everyone.

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Tittat50 · 18/11/2024 23:49

There are a few separate things I see here. One is regards showing emotions in front of children. Sometimes it's unavoidable. For example, during times of serious illness and pain, I've cried. I wished I could have contained but I couldn't. My reaction was a natural human response to an incredibly traumatic situation. This is real life.

This situation you describe is about how you and your wife communicate. You can't talk to her because her reaction feels manipulative and the children are being pulled into the manipulation. That's a really awful position for you and the children.

It doesn't sound like a good situation for you or the children to be in. If your wife can't reasonably see there's a problem with this then I don't see how you can personally improve the situation.

Lookingatthesunset · 18/11/2024 23:45

Whiteskies · 18/11/2024 23:18

Posters trying to justify her behaviour are minimising her abusive behaviour. Mocking you and telling the children about grown up rows is a form of parental alienation. You do need to tell someone and get some proper advice.
No one would excuse a man behaving in this way and it is completely unacceptable for a woman to do this as well.
By eight or nine children become more aware of attempts to manipulate their feelings. They don't like being drawn into adult conflict.

And you 'know' that her behaviour is "abusive" how??

TPJB · 18/11/2024 23:43

I wonder what her side of the story is.

Rhaidimiddim · 18/11/2024 23:41

Er.
You (including you, dear OP) argue in front of the kids.

Don't argue in front of the kids ?

And if you do, don't blame your wife for getting upset.

X123x321X · 18/11/2024 23:38

My friend's wife was very fond of belittling him in front of the children. She was always having rows with people. It was very uncomfortable to watch. "Can you do nothing right?" "Why are you so stupid?"

MarkingBad · 18/11/2024 23:28

I agree and when it has got to the stage the children have repeated some of it back to their father she is indulging in parental alienation and that OP feels he needs to comply to keep the house calmer.

I know it's hard to admit there is abuse by those being abused like the OP, but it clearly is abuse going on. Even if it isn't happening all the time, it is increasing and their children are being taught how to treat their father, none of what is happening here is good.

If this was happening to your friend OP what would you say?

https://mankind.org.uk/help-for-victims/is-a-man-you-know-a-victim-spotting-the-signs/

Is a man you know a victim? Spotting the Signs - Mankind

Information for friends, family and work colleagues to help recognise the potential signs that a man they know is a male victim of domestic abuse.

https://mankind.org.uk/help-for-victims/is-a-man-you-know-a-victim-spotting-the-signs

Whiteskies · 18/11/2024 23:18

Posters trying to justify her behaviour are minimising her abusive behaviour. Mocking you and telling the children about grown up rows is a form of parental alienation. You do need to tell someone and get some proper advice.
No one would excuse a man behaving in this way and it is completely unacceptable for a woman to do this as well.
By eight or nine children become more aware of attempts to manipulate their feelings. They don't like being drawn into adult conflict.

Lookingatthesunset · 18/11/2024 23:09

Tonytonitonee · 18/11/2024 22:07

The arguments aren't a regular thing, we can go months when everything is fine, however she goes through these phases where she gets frustrated at everything and she needs an outlet.
This has become more and more common.

She will compare us to other families and find faults and blame me.

I think she sounds like a woman who is desperately unhappy. Happy, or even contented women, don't behave like this.

I don't think she sounds awful at all - I think she needs help and support.

@Tonytonitonee does she have any reason to be so unhappy? Do you pull your weight around the house, with the kids? Does she think you do?

StormingNorman · 18/11/2024 22:15

She sounds awful @Tonytonitonee.

MarkingBad · 18/11/2024 22:09

Tonytonitonee · 18/11/2024 22:07

The arguments aren't a regular thing, we can go months when everything is fine, however she goes through these phases where she gets frustrated at everything and she needs an outlet.
This has become more and more common.

She will compare us to other families and find faults and blame me.

Is there anything that triggers these episodes?

Tonytonitonee · 18/11/2024 22:07

OurPack · 18/11/2024 01:59

I think children hearing arguments can be damaging. Crying and showing emotions in front of children isn’t bad, but a child seeing a parent cry and be very emotional due to arguing is damaging.

Why are you having so many arguments? What is she criticising you about?

As our children got older we didn’t shelter them from all disagreements as I think disagreeing is part of a relationship sometimes, and seeing us communicate well without shouting helps them learn how to communicate well and remain respectful.

The arguments aren't a regular thing, we can go months when everything is fine, however she goes through these phases where she gets frustrated at everything and she needs an outlet.
This has become more and more common.

She will compare us to other families and find faults and blame me.

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StormingNorman · 18/11/2024 12:38

MayaPinion · 18/11/2024 04:44

Why is your wife crying?

She’s using it as a form of control.

PaganPollyanna · 18/11/2024 10:47

Lookingatthesunset · 18/11/2024 01:49

God that's a bit of an overreaction!!! There are steps to be taken short of this!!

Not really. If this were the other way round posters would have gone straight to calling the posters husband abusive and shouting LTB.

Aberentian · 18/11/2024 04:57

This means we cannot have an adult conversation about any issues with our marriage because she will become very defensive & shouty.

Why can't you have these conversations away from the kids?
I'm suspicious honestly. My DH uses "not in front of the kids" to shut me down but he won't talk when they're not there either. So if something bothers me, I'm never allowed to talk about it. Which probably does make me "defensive and shouty."
What is she unhappy about?

mrssunshinexxx · 18/11/2024 04:46

Showing emotions is healthy, your wife sounds plain mean. Have a frank conversation with her when kids in bed remind her of your childhood and the trauma you carry from that be very firm that you do not want your children to have the same memories in 20 years and she needs to make some changes . They get one childhood and you get one life take control

MayaPinion · 18/11/2024 04:44

Why is your wife crying?

Loxiro · 18/11/2024 04:29

Sounds like she is emotionally abusive to both you and the children. Why is she relaying details of arguments you had in private to them? I see no good reason for this especially assuming they are young children as opposed to adult children. She is definitely on the road to screwing up your kids
and giving them lifelong issues.

My mum cried and ranted so often to/in front of us looking back I’m amazed, I mean she could’ve cried in her room and called her siblings/friend to rant from her room too. But she would deliberately come into our spaces and offload. It had a horrific effect on me and I felt not only responsible for her but responsible for any friend who acted in a similar way to her so I was a magnet for trauma dumpers and emotional vampires at one point.

Please seek therapy, help advice for you and your family.

LittleBitAlexisLaLaLaLaLa · 18/11/2024 04:16

You’re being emotionally abused OP from what you’ve said. How old are your children? Someone posted a number upthread, definitely call them, you need someone to talk to who can be empathetic towards you and offer constructive advice only, rather than on here where advice is mixed in with “well why did you make her cry?” Type replies.

GCAcademic · 18/11/2024 04:11

She sounds like my mother. I'm nearly 50 and still fucked up by my childhood.

Makingchocolatecake · 18/11/2024 04:01

Yes you can argue in front of them, but you should also be making up in front of them.

oakleaffy · 18/11/2024 03:32

Tonytonitonee · 18/11/2024 01:15

We will have a serious conversation in private but she will relay it back to the children and make it seem much worse than it actually was.

That's really abusive to the children to involve them in marital spats.
They do not need to ever be party to their parents marital unhappiness. {No matter what their ages , eg, teens} it's not fair on them, their parents need to be strong for them.

Some things should remain strictly between the adults.

oakleaffy · 18/11/2024 03:24

@Tonytonitonee If you are deeply unhappy, almost certainly your wife is , too.

Children absolutely do remember weeping and wailing from a parent{usually mothers} .

It 'can' be used as a control tool.

Sounds like a divorce is likely down the track - please don't do the dirty on your wife and hop from one woman to another- if you are unhappy, leave first.

Not sure if marriage/relationship counselling works- Maybe it does for some people if BOTH really want to make it happen, and are willing to look at their own faults.

If they both fundamentally love each other.

But once disrespect enters the relationship, it's unlikely.