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To wonder why older kids never go to the zoo?

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anotherfinemess1 · 17/11/2024 10:34

I had a fantastic day out with DS (8 years old) at London Zoo yesterday. We all loved seeing the animals and it’s great now he’s older and can read the signs and learn about species and how they are being saved in the wild. I was really shocked that he was about the oldest kid there. Why don’t older kids (8+) go to zoos any more? I hope my son never grows out of it - at the moment he wants to be a conservationist when he grows up and surely that’s going to be really important for his generation after the older generations have made such a mess of the planet!

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TwinklyOrca · 17/11/2024 13:41

TeenToTwenties · 17/11/2024 13:37

Perfect is the enemy of good enough.
In an ideal world perhaps zoos wouldn't be necessary.
But we don't live in an ideal world.

I’m fully aware, but a part of conservation is repopulation for release, so it’s not really an alternative to a not so ideal world?

Westfacing · 17/11/2024 13:40

They’re doing really important breeding on their Sumatran tigers and Asiatic lions, which are nearly extinct in the wild

But is it so noble to be breeding these magnificent creatures only to be keeping them in zoos - I don't think they're introduced back into the wild are they?

I don't know if being in a zoo is better than becoming extinct, in the overall scheme of the animal kingdom.

TwinklyOrca · 17/11/2024 13:39

if you look up how many species need to be in zoos due to species being on the brink of extinction, there are only roughly 5 I believe - why do we take the rest of the species out of their natural habitat for our enjoyment ? Some end up in zoos for various reasons so it isn’t as simple as my above statement, however…at some
point the previous generation of that species would have been take out their habitat for the enjoyment of humans.
Also, many zoos are also not well equipped to deal with certain species which is incredibly sad.

Quite easy information to find online, there’s also an extremely famous activist who’s father owned zoos, he does some great podcasts on zoos and conservation.

TeenToTwenties · 17/11/2024 13:37

TwinklyOrca · 17/11/2024 13:35

Zoos aren’t true animal conservation, if your son follows that career path - he will more than likely hate zoos…..

Perfect is the enemy of good enough.
In an ideal world perhaps zoos wouldn't be necessary.
But we don't live in an ideal world.

TwinklyOrca · 17/11/2024 13:35

Zoos aren’t true animal conservation, if your son follows that career path - he will more than likely hate zoos…..

tealdrop · 17/11/2024 13:34

Mine still enjoy them with my eldest being 11, however we don’t go more than once a year as we don’t live within a couple of hours of one. With the entry and travelling it’s too expensive to be a regular thing.

Westfacing · 17/11/2024 13:34

When DGD(15) was about 12 I asked her if she wanted to go to the zoo, where she'd been when younger, she replied 'No thank you grandma, zoos are cruel'.

So that was that!

MasterBeth · 17/11/2024 13:33

BigFatLiar · 17/11/2024 13:08

Repeats, just like the telly
Or
Visiting relatives-;mum must we we saw granny a couple of months ago she won't have changed.

Granny can talk (I assume) and do different stuff.

Warthogs just stand there and occasionally grunt.

Pineapplesandthegovernmentandpunkrock · 17/11/2024 13:32

I find London Zoo a bit depressing, but we go to its partner at Whipsnade which feels a bit better in terms of space for the animals. Our kids enjoy it, they are 15 and 17 and keen on wildlife and photography. They understand the difference between conditions/freedom in the wild and the conservation role of a zoo, and appreciate the latter is a necessary evil.

Skybluepinky · 17/11/2024 13:31

Loads do, but as they get older they can voice an opinion on what they do and don’t like doing. X

leia24 · 17/11/2024 13:30

It's just not as much fun or as exciting when theyre older although me and my 14yo have decided we will go over the Christmas holidays 😊

anotherfinemess1 · 17/11/2024 13:28

We were really impressed at London Zoo by the size and variety of the enclosures (no, not cages) compared with when I last went pre-parenthood, and of course all the large animals other than cats are at Whipsnade (where we have also been and had a wonderful time). They’re doing really important breeding on their Sumatran tigers and Asiatic lions, which are nearly extinct in the wild. I do understand why some people don’t think it’s right but I think it’s good if it preserves endangered species and the profit goes to fund work in the wild (as with ZSL). I have also been to less good zoos where I agree with a lot of the negative comments.
I get that kids are different and not everyone likes a tiger, but it’s really reassuring to me to read of the families of older kids who go. I hope my son will want to keep going with me for many more years.

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NuffSaidSam · 17/11/2024 13:26

YankSplaining · 17/11/2024 13:23

I’m seeing a lot of references here to “animals in cages” - asking as an American who’s unfamiliar, do UK zoos keep animals in literal cages? I grew up going to the Minnesota Zoo, which is built on 485 acres and has large outside animal exhibits.

My ten-year-old still loves going to the zoo.

There's a zoo in the middle of London, what do you think?

It's a glass box, not a cage in the metal bars sense. There's nice things within in that glass box. The keepers do their best. But is it anywhere near adequate space for them? No.

Obviously, better for the smaller animals. But should there really be a giraffe in central London?

YankSplaining · 17/11/2024 13:23

I’m seeing a lot of references here to “animals in cages” - asking as an American who’s unfamiliar, do UK zoos keep animals in literal cages? I grew up going to the Minnesota Zoo, which is built on 485 acres and has large outside animal exhibits.

My ten-year-old still loves going to the zoo.

Saschka · 17/11/2024 13:19

MasterBeth · 17/11/2024 12:49

Because you went a month ago and a month before that. And a month before that.

"Look, it's that warthog again!"

We have membership, so we can just pop in for an hour or two when we have an afternoon free. There are favourite animals that DS wants to see again and again, and then there are different things we only see every once in a while (the nocturnal area, the zebras).

No different to going to the playground for the afternoon - yep DS has been on the same slide multiple times, but he likes it.

ManchesterLu · 17/11/2024 13:17

Perhaps parents stop taking children when they're over the age of being able to get in for free/cheaper? Or kids get distracted by other things to do, life gets busy etc.

shellyleppard · 17/11/2024 13:09

Once they get past a certain age its just another boring thing to do with the parents.... my children have seen everything in our local zoo

mitogoshigg · 17/11/2024 13:09

I did with mine but it's expensive so it's not something that you do regularly, mine have been to most of the larger U.K. zoos once and several outside the U.K. on holidays but I wouldn't go back to the same one regularly like you do with little ones because we remember going!

BigFatLiar · 17/11/2024 13:08

MasterBeth · 17/11/2024 12:49

Because you went a month ago and a month before that. And a month before that.

"Look, it's that warthog again!"

Repeats, just like the telly
Or
Visiting relatives-;mum must we we saw granny a couple of months ago she won't have changed.

bakewellbride · 17/11/2024 13:07

@TeenToTwenties I'm too busy to find a link but earthling Ed did some research which showed that they drug the animals and why. It's pretty out there and accepted as fact.

Whydoesmybackhurrt · 17/11/2024 13:05

TickingAlongNicely · 17/11/2024 12:59

I do hope the "zoos are cruel" children don't have pets... the welfare standards at the zoo are probably a lot higher!

Our animals have excellent welfare standards yes 😊 and we're vegan.

TeenToTwenties · 17/11/2024 13:05

bakewellbride · 17/11/2024 13:04

@TickingAlongNicely I'm sorry but how is that remotely the same? A well loved pet is a member of a family, not held in captivity for entertainment and drugged to avoid zoochosis (yes most zoo animals are drugged).

Can you link evidence re the drugging as that seems quite a big thing?

bakewellbride · 17/11/2024 13:04

@TickingAlongNicely I'm sorry but how is that remotely the same? A well loved pet is a member of a family, not held in captivity for entertainment and drugged to avoid zoochosis (yes most zoo animals are drugged).

kiraric · 17/11/2024 13:01

TickingAlongNicely · 17/11/2024 12:59

I do hope the "zoos are cruel" children don't have pets... the welfare standards at the zoo are probably a lot higher!

I had the same thought... Ditto hope they're all vegan as the meat and dairy industry is infinitely more cruel than London zoo

TickingAlongNicely · 17/11/2024 12:59

I do hope the "zoos are cruel" children don't have pets... the welfare standards at the zoo are probably a lot higher!