Do think that La Leche League are now a danger to babies?

Here is the NHS's stance.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-10892531/NHS-accused-putting-babies-harm-advice-trans-women-wanting-breastfeed.html

yes.

And remember, these male people are taking these drugs based on modifying their body to fit their philosophical belief.

And in regards to your points on interactions with drugs in pregnancy, there are a group of female people who wish to destigmatise their choice to deliberately continue to take testosterone during pregnancy based again on their choice to modify their body to fit their philosophical belief when that testosterone has well documented negative impacts in pregnancy including the high likelihood of a child having a disability. As you say, people with medical conditions that require drugs known to have negative effects during pregnancy are told to stop taking these drugs. There seems to be a distinct lack of symmetry in regards to this one group compared to others. And the lack of symmetry points to the child never being centred in their decisions.

Yes someone close to me fell down this trap, I am all for breastfeeding but she felt she could never leave her children for a second and would have to home school them, she felt so guilty for ever taking a break.

Well yes! Forcing a baby to latch to a male nipple is abuse. Are these men actually related to the child at all?

Extraordinary. All the advice for pg women and breastfeeding women about nutrition. The sometimes shrill and aggressive urging that women don't eat this or that (never mind the correct screeching about alcohol and smoking). But the utter shaming of women who don't do what is 'right' for the baby.

Yet chemically induce the production of hormone laden pus so a male can have either his feelz validated or his fetishes propped up and it's all okay.

For those who are interested in the science, here is some more to read.

A transitioned male expert was the one who was putting up alerts about this, not the two people who carried out the treatment.

www.newscientist.com/article/2161151-transgender-woman-is-first-to-be-able-to-breastfeed-her-baby/#ixzz6f2Pil0Ik

However, the woman’s breastmilk has not been assessed yet, so we don’t know if it has the same mix of components as in milk from new gestational mothers. This means the practice cannot yet be recommended, says Madeline Deutsch at the University of California, San Francisco. She says she can see the potential benefits of breastfeeding, but that the long-term impact of this milk on the baby – including on subtle measures like IQ – is unknown.

Deutsch herself is a transgender woman with a six-month-old baby who is currently being breastfed by Deutsch’s wife, who was the gestational mother. “I am very sad not to be able to breastfeed her and at the same time I did not consider doing this for the above reasons,” she says.

This was February 2018. I have not seen anything to prove that any in-depth studies have been released since to counter this expert's opinion. And there has been plenty of other threads since this that where these studies would have been posted by activist posters.

So, there we have it. A transitioned male, Associate Professor, Family Community Medicine, is telling the world that this is not advisable until further research.

And this is key too:

After three months of treatment, this increased to 227 grams of breast milk per day. Once the baby was born, she was able to exclusively breastfeed the infant for six weeks – during which time a paediatrician confirmed the baby was growing and developing normally and healthily.

Although significant, this is below the average of around 500 grams that a baby consumes by the time the it is 5 days old. After six weeks, the woman supplemented her breastfeeding with formula.

So.... for how many weeks did this infant receive half the nutrition it needed? This male only supplemented the feeding regime at SIX WEEKS!!!

And this was supposed to be monitored surely. It was an experiment. Why was this allowed!

From the New Scientist article.

Meanwhile mothers who don't produce milk are made to feel they've in some way failed and are often given no support.

See also mothers who take epilepsy medication or other drugs for life threatening conditions.

There's no research on whether we can even use bonjella for a mouth ulcer while pregnant (or million other things) because no one would take the risk in exposing babies to this to find out.

Mother's deny themselves things which would make them feel better daily to avoid a risk to their babies.

And yet here we are because.... special.

Yes 😢 and frankly it’s abusive to the most vulnerable and most important person involved in this - the newborn baby.

I see your point. But a simple chemical analysis surely wouldn't be too expensive? It's not a huge project with thousands of participants. They only need a few samples of man milk, because data on the composition of breast milk and formula is already available. I am certain the cost could be covered easily enough by interested parties/LLL/trans charities. The lack of enthusiasm to do so by interested groups is suspicious.

Novel Lactation Induction Protocol for a Transgender Woman Wishing to Breastfeed: A Case Report

Esme D. Trahair, Sarah Kokosa, Andy Weinhold, Heather Parnell, Andrea B. Dotson, and Carly E. Kelley

27 March 2024

https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/bfm.2024.0012

Background: Lactation induction in transgender women is a clinical and research priority in the field of breastfeeding medicine. To date, there are four case reports detailing successful induced lactation in transgender patients who wished to breastfeed. The Academy of Breast Feeding Medicine does not formally recommend a specific medication regimen for transgender patients due to lack of high-quality research.

Case Presentation: A 50-year-old transgender woman with a hypercoagulable disorder who was able to lactate and breastfeed with novel hormone regimen management at a gender care clinic. Her baseline hormone treatment was an estradiol 0.3 mg transdermal patch every 72 hours and micronized progesterone 200 mg daily.

Results: Within four weeks of initiating a modified hormone regimen (estradiol 0.4 mg patch every 72 hours, progesterone 300 mg daily, metoclopramide 10 mg three times daily), the patient was lactating spontaneously. On multiple occasions, she breastfed and expressed up to 30 mL of milk through pumping.

Conclusion: This report offers a new effective hormone regimen for transgender patients who wish to lactate and cannot access domperidone—the galactagogue used in previous case reports. It also provides a review of previously published case reports on this subject. Future research in this field should prioritize cohort studies of transgender patients who desire lactation to further assess patient attitudes, experiences, and outcomes.

Some more background on this:

https://x.com/millihill/status/1773343604678758886?s=20

The patient first expressed the unique desire to breastfeed her expected grandchild at an appointment with her endocrinologist in the spring of 2022. She disclosed that this was a last-minute idea that came to her very close to her daughter's due date. Her primary motivation for inducing lactation was to experience the bond from breastfeeding that she had not been able to experience with her own five children.

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Remember, by 7 days old an infant requires 65 ml per day and for what reason would a medical professional in a country with ample supplies of donor breast milk and milk substitutes induce a new born's grandparent to lactate to assist their daughter? That desire is a red flag right there!

https://www.babycentre.co.uk/x553873/how-much-milk-does-my-baby-need-in-the-first-few-days

🤮🤮 vom.

I will add some links for those who wish to read more on the topic. This will give some good links as well.

https://www.theparadoxinstitute.com/read/the-ugly-truth-of-male-breastfeeding

This is a review of the studies often discussed here on MN in regards to males feeding infants the secretions from their breasts. It confirms what we have been posting.

Conclusion

Given all the available data on the amount of milk produced as well as the lack of studies on the safety of these medications at such high doses, it is safe to say there is no sufficient evidence to prove transwomen can safely breastfeed an infant. Transwomen cannot produce enough to give adequate nutrition and the unknown dangers to the infant from the medications is not worth the risk.

But even further, it is concerning that it was of great importance that breastfeeding was affirming for the transwoman.

Breastfeeding is about providing nutrition and immunity benefits to the infant. It should be concerning to everyone that affirmation is addressed at all. Given the risk to the infant, the ethical question must be asked: is a transwoman nursing really about feeding the infant, or is it about feeding the dysphoria?

People have lost their minds. Another example of trans madness destroying everything it touches.

We need to burn it all down and start again with sane people in charge.

Breastfeeding groups overstepping their boundaries with women sounds terrible. But such groups do need to exist to support women who want to breastfeed. And breastfeeding groups allowing in men is absolutely the opposite of what those groups are for. The whole organisational purpose is lost then.

However that father wishes himself to be recognised as an adult person, he isn’t ever going to become a biological woman or a mother. That’s OK. There’s nothing wrong with being a man who doesn’t conform to gender stereotypes for men. But he shouldn’t try to force his view of opposite sex characteristics or stereotypes on to everyone else. Which is exactly what is happening here. To babies. To mums seeking breastfeeding support. To breastfeeding groups.

Babies are not there to validate their parents. First rule of decent parenting. So we should not allow or provide drug induced substances coming out of a man’s chest to be given to a baby as food. Adult validation needs that are overwhelming or dangerous should be explored by those adults in therapy.

"Man-milk" 🤮🤮🤮

I think they’ve already were a danger.
the encourage women to breastfeed to the point that it damages both women’s mental health and babies physical health.
I had to get them banned from our local baby weighing centre as they’d turned two women into anxious wrecks with screaming babies.

This is shocking. Any man (leave aside identity labels) not content to give his baby a bottle so that the baby can be safely fed, should be a massive red flag.

Fathers should not be given by the NHS, or taking, drugs to induce secretions of who know what. Nor letting babies consume that because the father wants to convince themselves that they are ‘breastfeeding’ their children.

Any man who wants a baby to suck on their nipples is a pervert.

So they are allowing biological makes with nipple discharge to attend breastfeeding classes and everyone is just expected to pretend as if this person can actually breastfeed ? What a waste of resources and quite frankly an insult to women.

There is on the mobile site/desktop

It doesn't surprise me that there are creepy men who want to "breastfeed" babies. I just want to know, who are the women who are handing over their babies to these men for this purpose?!

I’m a little surprised that using drugs to encourage milk production for breastfeeding is allowed in men.

Particularly given as a breast feeding mother you’re not even allowed proper pain relief after birth etc.

It's disgusting abuse.

Males, regardless of how they identify, should NOT be in a breastfeeding peer support group, no matter how they identify.

oh for an edit button 😂